Itachi eyes were not a free power up

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People forget that Sasuke had to push himself to get Itachi eyes. Itachi would not have give him his eyes willingly. Thus Sasuke Power up was earned!

Unlike other people in the series who get the second strongest chakra pool in the series for free. Get a free place to live.. Free education.. Free scroll full of kage level jutsu.. Free powerup everytime they lose Or the free ability to sense and mix sage chakra. or the free ability to TNJ and PNJ my way out of everything

Considering others just soloed all of your arguments I don't really have to I guess. Sasuke in no shape of form had to push himself to get Itachi's eyes, he simply could have transplanted them after Itachi let him win their fight but chose not to and instead let his hatred consume him into fighting the kages. He over used his MS in like a week while Itachi had his for 9-10 years (Sasuke was like 6 when Itachi killed the Uchihas). Sasuke didn't need to fight the Kages, he chose too which was he's dumb hate made him do where as Hebi Sasuke wasn't blinded by that hatred and would have waited for Danzo to head back to Konoha then attack him. Hebi Sasuke>MS Sasuke in terms of strategies and smarts.

I guess you can say being tricked into stealing the forbidden scroll is free if you want but he only learned Shadow clones and says that in chapter 1. Naruto actually had to train to learn and master SM, show me scans of Sasuke training to learn to manipulate Amaterasu in enton or where he learned to use Susanoo, fact is he just happens to unleash Susanoo more and more in fights wasn't free powerups? He did no training for it, it just came in battle yet you argue about BSM? Naruto already show to start training in KM and already trained in SM and even fused them way back so it wasn't like that powrup wasn't foreshadowed by Kishi. Naruto used his training of SM and applied it to BM, not that hard to understand. As for TNJ, What is TNJ? You can say it's a type of Manipulation. Orochimaru manipulation Sasuke, Kabuto, sound 4, and many more, Tobi did to Sasuke, Itachi (in some expects, made a deal for Itachi to join and he won't touch Konoha but still gain Itachi and sent Kakuza and Hidan to Konoha anyways), Nagato, Kisame, Minato (In a way, he wanted Minato out the picture and that happened), Itachi did to Sasuke. They all TNJ other people.

The point is he worked hard, & got a powerup.

He may not have wanted it but it was there, he did the work in order to gain access to the reward, accepting the reward is a completely different thing.

No he didn't, to work to gain access to it is to have knowledge of it so you can work at it unless you're being prep for it by someone eye. Itachi planned out their fight and one of his goals was to push Sasuke to his limits so he can remove Orochimaru and the CM from Sasuke and the other was to die by Sasuke's hands so Sasuke can awaken the MS by killing someone close to him. As for the EMS, it was right there, all Sasuke had to do was take it. He chose not to but instead let his hatred overcome him and attacked the Kage summit instead of waiting until Danzo was heading back to Konoha which is something Hebi Sasuke would have done.

Enton wasn't a free powerup? Shape manipulation is not easy stuff, That's part of what the rasengan is which shown to be hard when Naruto was learning it. Sasuke traied to do it with his chidori but how can't he apply that to a complete different jutsu that is powered by the eyes?

Like when Sasuke put out Amaterasu, he didn't know he could but then after he did he tried doing it to Bee too and did. He didn't just do it without knowing, he saw Karin was on fire and wanted to put it out and it went out then he thought to himself that he actually did it.

Anyways it's dumb to discuss these, both Naruto and Sasuke's power up are tools that they have access too, it's about how they use those tools in battle. So far both still need to actually train/complete their training (Naruto started but never finished) before they both fight so we can have the best fight out of them.

 

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No he didn't, to work to gain access to it is to have knowledge of it so you can work at it unless you're being prep for it by someone eye. Itachi planned out their fight and one of his goals was to push Sasuke to his limits so he can remove Orochimaru and the CM from Sasuke and the other was to die by Sasuke's hands so Sasuke can awaken the MS by killing someone close to him.

Yes he did, who cares what Itachi's plan was? Fukasaku planned out for naruto to gain SM, so he taught it to him, Itachi merely chose another path towards training. The same outcome is presented, Itachi trained sasuke by fighting him & sacrificing his life (with ulterior motives obviously), & Fukasaku trained naruto by teaching him the ways of senjutsu.

As for the EMS, it was right there, all Sasuke had to do was take it. He chose not to but instead let his hatred overcome him and attacked the Kage summit instead of waiting until Danzo was heading back to Konoha which is something Hebi Sasuke would have done.

My point is that sasuke didnt choose it, the ability to gain the powerup was there but he still refused, thus he ended up training his eye to the point where it was of no more use, in fact when you think about it sasuke took the hard road because any MS user can just gain EMS without ever feeling the effects of blindness, sasuke fought the gokage while feeling that effect so he's been training his eye ever since he got it. YES it would be free if he just took it immediately but he didnt, which is the whole point.

Enton wasn't a free powerup? Shape manipulation is not easy stuff, That's part of what the rasengan is which shown to be hard when Naruto was learning it. Sasuke traied to do it with his chidori but how can't he apply that to a complete different jutsu that is powered by the eyes?

This logic doesnt make sense. Yes he gained these abilities but naruto gained SM sensing, more chakra, & frog fu with his SM. Are these free powerups or the result of the technique? Sasuke's MS came with jutsus just like SM came with powerups. There is absolutely no difference.

Same with BM, does naruto get a tbb for free now because he has BM, or does a tbb come with BM?

Like when Sasuke put out Amaterasu, he didn't know he could but then after he did he tried doing it to Bee too and did. He didn't just do it without knowing, he saw Karin was on fire and wanted to put it out and it went out then he thought to himself that he actually did it.

As I said, naruto gained free abilities with his powerups but this changes nothing about how he gained the powerup itself.

 

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Yes he did, who cares what Itachi's plan was? Fukasaku planned out for naruto to gain SM, so he taught it to him, Itachi merely chose another path towards training. The same outcome is presented, Itachi trained sasuke by fighting him & sacrificing his life (with ulterior motives obviously), & Fukasaku trained naruto by teaching him the ways of senjutsu.

My point is that sasuke didnt choose it, the ability to gain the powerup was there but he still refused, thus he ended up training his eye to the point where it was of no more use, in fact when you think about it sasuke took the hard road because any MS user can just gain EMS without ever feeling the effects of blindness, sasuke fought the gokage while feeling that effect so he's been training his eye ever since he got it. YES it would be free if he just took it immediately but he didnt, which is the whole point.

This logic doesnt make sense. Yes he gained these abilities but naruto gained SM sensing, more chakra, & frog fu with his SM. Are these free powerups or the result of the technique? Sasuke's MS came with jutsus just like SM came with powerups. There is absolutely no difference.

Same with BM, does naruto get a tbb for free now because he has BM, or does a tbb come with BM?

As I said, naruto gained free abilities with his powerups but this changes nothing about how he gained the powerup itself.

The only abilities you can say Naruto gained was Sensory ability for SM and KM and handing out chakra if you don't want to use Kurama taught him since we see Kurama do it first. Naruto actually trained to learn to see/sense/absorb natural energy, trained to be completely still, trained to learn from kata, was training to learn tbb and we all seen examples of all of these and I can put links to the pages if you need so those weren't free at all.

You can't Itachi didn't teach Sasuke anything in their fight except when he verbally told him about the MS and EMS. That fight wasn't training since Sasuke didn't learn anything from it except the MS jutsus but nothing about how to use them. Tobi said it all pretty much

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. The abilty to gain the EMS wasn't there until Itachi died like he planned so again it was Itachi who presented the ability to gain EMS but Sasuke just heard the truth about Itachi and was being consumed by hatred for the leaf. He didn't really chose the hard way by using only MS, he was going to get the 8 tails but upon learning to use his MS jutsu, he said he had enough power to take on the leaf. So he didn't really know of his MS power when he declined Itachi's eyes, he simply didn't want Itachi's eyes at that moment for other reasons.