Itachi did nothing wrong

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Yeah, there's a MASSIVE difference between a Kage and a king. For starters, Hidden Villages aren't even countries. They're basically a bunch of mercenary groups that bound together under a common flag to form a city with an agreement to serve under its country's Daimyo. It's functioning and economy are fundamentally built around ninja and their missionz, even if you have some stuff existing outside of that sphere in it. With that in mind, a Kage is closer to the leader of a country's military than its outright leader. Acts resembling dictatorships are not unfound, like Yagura purging the bloodlines off Kiri in his time, but you very rarely see a Kage acting in any way that resembles totalitarianism.
Yes and no. The point is they are the leaders and they are dictators. They rule the land, handle the security, declare the wars, manage the war economy, order assassinations etc. They handle the poltics and make treaties (Hashirama/Tobirama flashback). The Daimyo is just a figure head with no real sway or power over the villages.
 

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Yes and no. The point is they are the leaders and they are dictators. They rule the land, handle the security, declare the wars, manage the war economy, order assassinations etc. They handle the poltics and make treaties (Hashirama/Tobirama flashback). The Daimyo is just a figure head with no real sway or power over the villages.
That still aint completely true. A Kage takes on the most power in the times of war, but outside of that, they have very little saying on the ruling of the land itself outside of their village.
 
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That still aint completely true. A Kage takes on the most power in the times of war, but outside of that, they have very little saying on the ruling of the land itself outside of their village.
Come off it, they decide everything. The Kages powers were never restricted to war time only. When Hashi was engaging in village negotiations there wasn't any war.
 
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that's why he kiled a inocent children..
Itachi accepted to massacre his own clan in order...to preserve its reputation.

It was definitely over when the Uchiha started to rebel themselves against Konoha.

There wasn't any solution to peacefully solve the problem. The Uchiha hatred against the village reached its peak.

The only solution was the massacre. And Itachi decided that he will be the one to do this mission. He preserved the nobility of his clan by killing himself all of them. It's a pure blood Uchiha who massacred the clan not the village.

Itachi accepted to be portrayed as a psycho man. In this manner, every citizen of Konoha ignore the shameful reality behind the massacre. Every citizens believe the Uchiha are poor and innocent people who had been massacred by a psycho serial killer, in this manner the clan still conserve its noble reputation, while in reality they had been massacred because it was a clan of traitors.

And Itachi was a patriot of Konoha. The village first, then the clan. If to protect the village, it is necessary to massacre a clan, then it has to be done.
 

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Itachi accepted to massacre his own clan in order...to preserve its reputation.

It was definitely over when the Uchiha started to rebel themselves against Konoha.

There wasn't any solution to peacefully solve the problem. The Uchiha hatred against the village reached its peak.

The only solution was the massacre. And Itachi decided that he will be the one to do this mission. He preserved the nobility of his clan by killing himself all of them. It's a pure blood Uchiha who massacred the clan not the village.

Itachi accepted to be portrayed as a psycho man. In this manner, every citizen of Konoha ignore the shameful reality behind the massacre. Every citizens believe the Uchiha are poor and innocent people who had been massacred by a psycho serial killer, in this manner the clan still conserve its noble reputation, while in reality they had been massacred because it was a clan of traitors.

And Itachi was a patriot of Konoha. The village first, then the clan. If to protect the village, it is necessary to massacre a clan, then it has to be done.
tute !!! i repeat!!!...itachi killed a inocent pipole!!!!!...

and u r wrong...just tink about it..in order to stop a coud detat u have to comit genocide????....all uchiwa clan including elder and inocent children planed that too and dizerved slaughtring????..

and teh sadest part is all inocent children died exept sasuke.???...so sasuke life matters but life of a other childrens not matter???...

sure itachi thought about that but he just didn't give a tamn sh!t and continued his genocide plan anyway...
 
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tute !!! i repeat!!!...itachi killed a inocent pipole!!!!!...

and u r wrong...just tink about it..in order to stop a coud detat u have to comit genocide????....all uchiwa clan including elder and inocent children planed that too and dizerved slaughtring????..

and teh sadest part is all inocent children died exept sasuke.???...so sasuke life matters but life of a other childrens not matter???...


sure itachi thought about that but he just didn't give a tamn sh!t and continued his genocide plan anyway...
The massacre was the only solution, even to kill children and women.

Imagine if Itachi just killed male shinobi Uchiha. What about women who lost their husband, children who lost their father, and old people who lost their son. Then the hatred inside the clan would be even greater. These orphans children will grow up with one idea, venge their clan. This happened for Sasuke.

Itachi was right. At the finale moment, just before the coup d'Etat, there wasn't any other solution than the massacre.

Concerning Sasuke, I agree, it was a selfish decision from Itachi. The best option was to kill the whole clan, but even Itachi couldn't resist to his emotions and decided to let Sasuke alive.
 

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Itachi did the world a favor by ridding it of a clan of deranged psychopaths.
Calling oppressed and discriminated citizens psychopathic because they rebelled against their corrupt government.

Itachi was simply too wise and strong to be affected by the curse of hatred. same cant be said for the rest of these retards.
Tobirama said there were many Uchiha like Itachi. 3-4.


itachi was way too nice to sasuke cause hes his brother. the idiot wanted to destroy konoha despite knowing itachi sacrificed everything to protect it.
Whose fault is that? Itachi was the who decided to shove hatred and vengenace down his throat for years. Making him susceptible to Orochimaru's influence. Which led to him severing his bonds. Leaving Konoha to pursue revenge. He already placed his clan above the village.

Yet 3 years later after fighting him to the death. He's supposed to automatically decide to protect the village that oppressed and discriminated his clan, leading to their goverment ordered genocide, just because Itachi wanted to? That's not logical nor realistic.

Attack the abuser not the victim.


itachi did the best possible thing, by genociding the clan he made sure there would not be another madara or obito wanting to destroy the village.
Then he created another in Sasuke and helped Obito collect Tailed Beast. Resulting in a catastrophic world war which nearly wiped out humanity. Very counter productive.

sasuke was gonna do the same but he left nardo in charge of taming that tard
Sasuke succeeded where Itachi failed.

- Defeating Orochimaru whom escaped from Itachi and continued his crimes for several more years. Most notably his operation to destroy Konoha where he lead two large armies to invade and destroy it. Resulting in many deaths including the Kazekage and Hokage.

- Defeating Deidara who Itachi recruited. Whom like Orochimaru nearly destroyed a village and killed a Kazekage. Both escaping capture for years.

- Killing Danzo whom schemed with Orochimaru in Konoha's destruction, and allowed Pain to destroy Konoha amongst other shady deeds.

- Defeating the Akatsuki during the war.

- Then he went on to protect from the shadows better than Itachi ever did.

and also had shisuis genjutsu in case he want apeshit but he had to use it on himself.
Yet no countermeasures against Danzo and the other elders. Whom Itachi wanted him to return to Konoha ignorant about. Despite his only protectors who knew the truth (Hurizen and Itachi) being dead. Wonder how fast Danzo would have killed Sasuke if he became a brainless Itachi fanboy and automatically decided to protect Konoha just because Itachi wanted too.

obito mixed many lies in there for manipulating, like the fact that the nine tails attacked on his own
if that dumbass sasuke actually knew the truth he would try to kill obito instead probably
Obito only lied about not being behind the Kyuubi attack. Sasuke already wanted to kill him for being involved in the massacre.



I'm not gonna say the Kage system is perfect, but the way you say it almost sounds like you think dictator Sasuke is a better option.
Sasuke's revolution plan was solid and proven to work in series.

- Uniting everyone through a common enemy was shown to work via the Akatsuki with the Five Great Shinobi Villages & Samurai. Plus during the warring states era Madara was said to have used his power to unite clans. Pages 10-11.



- Maintaining peace and order by being a God-like authoritive figure was shown to work via Pain with the Rain village. Kaguya was also stated to have subdued all lands.



- & Itachi protecting from the shadows by playing the role of villian, striking down those who obstructed peace, avoided civil war with the Uchiha against Konoha, and world war with other nations.

Sasuke learned from his predecessors & improved. Ultimately forming a better plan for peace than them. Whereas Hashirama and Naruto's plan of cooperation through friendship was proven to not work via Hashirama creating peace through the village system but things going sour after his death. Meanwhile, Sasuke had the capability/ambition to always be around to watch over the world.




Itachi accepted to massacre his own clan in order...to preserve its reputation.

It was definitely over when the Uchiha started to rebel themselves against Konoha.

There wasn't any solution to peacefully solve the problem. The Uchiha hatred against the village reached its peak.

The only solution was the massacre. And Itachi decided that he will be the one to do this mission. He preserved the nobility of his clan by killing himself all of them. It's a pure blood Uchiha who massacred the clan not the village.

Itachi accepted to be portrayed as a psycho man. In this manner, every citizen of Konoha ignore the shameful reality behind the massacre. Every citizens believe the Uchiha are poor and innocent people who had been massacred by a psycho serial killer, in this manner the clan still conserve its noble reputation, while in reality they had been massacred because it was a clan of traitors.

And Itachi was a patriot of Konoha. The village first, then the clan. If to protect the village, it is necessary to massacre a clan, then it has to be done.
Traitors against a corrupt village that oppressed and discrimated them. If anything Itachi's actions protected Konoha's reputation more than the Uchiha's.

The massacre was the only solution, even to kill children and women.

Imagine if Itachi just killed male shinobi Uchiha. What about women who lost their husband, children who lost their father, and old people who lost their son. Then the hatred inside the clan would be even greater. These orphans children will grow up with one idea, venge their clan. This happened for Sasuke.

Itachi was right. At the finale moment, just before the coup d'Etat, there wasn't any other solution than the massacre.
They could have detained the ones involved with the coup. Killing them would result in hatred as you said. But detaining them wouldn't

Concerning Sasuke, I agree, it was a selfish decision from Itachi. The best option was to kill the whole clan, but even Itachi couldn't resist to his emotions and decided to let Sasuke alive.
The best option was to get Hurizen and Fugaku to meet so they could peacefully negotiate to resolve the matter. Itachi could have leaked info to both sides. Tell Hurizen of the planned rebellion and tell Fugaku of the planned massacre. This would have drove them to negotiation to avert the worst case scenario (civil war).

By the way, what are your thoughts on Sasuke wanting to destroy Konoha and his Revolution plan? Do you think it was both logical?
 
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Sasuke's revolution plan was solid and proven to work in series.

- Uniting everyone through a common enemy was shown to work via the Akatsuki with the Five Great Shinobi Villages & Samurai. Plus during the warring states era Madara was said to have used his power to unite clans. Pages 10-11.



- Maintaining peace and order by being a God-like authoritive figure was shown to work via Pain with the Rain village. Kaguya was also stated to have subdued all lands.



- & Itachi protecting from the shadows by playing the role of villian, striking down those who obstructed peace, avoided civil war with the Uchiha against Konoha, and world war with other nations.

Sasuke learned from his predecessors & improved. Ultimately forming a better plan for peace than them. Whereas Hashirama and Naruto's plan of cooperation through friendship was proven to not work via Hashirama creating peace through the village system but things going sour after his death. Meanwhile, Sasuke had the capability/ambition to always be around to watch over the world.

Both Pain and Itachi really came to regret their actions. Not Nagato as much since he had other stuff to regret, though in the end his whole idea is flawed on the basis that he is no God. Itachi though admitted he never should've tried to bear the whole burden by himself and even told Naruto that trying to shoulder everything like that would eventually make him like Madara, which I think applies even more so to Sasuke here. And yes, Obito and the Akatsuki did bring the five nations together. And you know what they did? They fought him. The most ironic thing about Sasuke's revolution is that he never adresses what happens when revolution is brought about inside it and he has to spill even more blood just to keep the status quo, essentially just making the whole thing meaningless.
 

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Both Pain and Itachi really came to regret their actions. Not Nagato as much since he had other stuff to regret, though in the end his whole idea is flawed on the basis that he is no God. Itachi though admitted he never should've tried to bear the whole burden by himself and even told Naruto that trying to shoulder everything like that would eventually make him like Madara, which I think applies even more so to Sasuke here. And yes, Obito and the Akatsuki did bring the five nations together. And you know what they did? They fought him. The most ironic thing about Sasuke's revolution is that he never adresses what happens when revolution is brought about inside it and he has to spill even more blood just to keep the status quo, essentially just making the whole thing meaningless.

so u still believe boss mastermind tobi was obito???..fine enjoy being victim of kishimoto's illusion..
 

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Both Pain and Itachi really came to regret their actions. Not Nagato as much since he had other stuff to regret, though in the end his whole idea is flawed on the basis that he is no God. Itachi though admitted he never should've tried to bear the whole burden by himself and even told Naruto that trying to shoulder everything like that would eventually make him like Madara, which I think applies even more so to Sasuke here. And yes, Obito and the Akatsuki did bring the five nations together. And you know what they did? They fought him. The most ironic thing about Sasuke's revolution is that he never adresses what happens when revolution is brought about inside it and he has to spill even more blood just to keep the status quo, essentially just making the whole thing meaningless.
What? Everyone could live in peace. They would just know theres a god-like authoritive figure who strikes down troublemakers. Only criminals would be weary of him. Another Light Yagami situation.

He only said he would kill Naruto - the only one strong enough to pose a threat, the Biju - walking nukes whose power shinobi always abused. Leading to the catastrophic world war which nearly wiped out humanity, and the 5 Kage - leaders to the corrupt shinobi system. Other than that we can assume he would kill criminals.

His avoidance of battle was made clear when he said that he would control things from the shadows instead of battle.


Also, he could always adjust his methods as he sees fit.
 

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What? Everyone could live in peace. They would just know theres a god-like authoritive figure who strikes down troublemakers. Only criminals would be weary of him. Another Light Yagami situation.
You really wanna use Light of all people as a positive example of this? The way you're talking about this makes it seem like people would appreciate the seventeen year old kid who just up and murdered the five kages and put the whole world under his all-watching eye. Kira at least was anonymous before Light loses, which makes him seem more like a force than a physical person to most, but once its all revealed, he's pretty much seen as modern Hitler. Sasuke does not have the benefit of anonimity when he steps in to shake up the world. Naturally, people are gonna hate him, and he seems to be very well aware of that given his whole talk about "bearing the hatred".

He only said he would kill Naruto - the only one strong enough to pose a threat, the Biju - walking nukes whose power shinobi always abused. Leading to the catastrophic world war which nearly wiped out humanity, and the 5 Kage - leaders to the corrupt shinobi system. Other than that we can assume he would kill criminals.
Yeaaaah, he said he would kill Naruto and the Five Kage, but he also never said he was agaisnt killing others. In fact, when Naruto asked what was his response to people rebelling against his revolution, he basically just said, "Doesn't matter, I have all the power. " That kind of implies he isn't that worried about using force to keep his revolution intact.

His avoidance of battle was made clear when he said that he would control things from the shadows instead of battle.


Also, he could always adjust his methods as he sees fit.
See, that's funny, cause it kinda shows just how little Sasuke had this whole deal figured out. He wants to rule from the shadows, but at the same time wants to be the center of everyone's attention by bearing their hatred. He says the villages are gonna start bickering again now that there's no big threat to join against, but fifteen years later anything of the sort has yet to happen and relationships between them remain amicable. He says he's gonna bear every single burden and that Naruto is the only one who can challenge him but doesn't even think for a second about how there might be bigger fish out there than Obito and Madara...which I'm sure Isshiki was hella entertained by from wherever he was watching this all go down.
 

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Itachi followed the order of someone evil, which is Danzo. So by following Danzo evil order, that makes Itachi evil, even if his intention was good. Not every Uchiha were evil.

Danzo is responsible for Kabuto turning evil, Kabuto mum dying and Nagato turning evil. I wouldn't be surprised if Danzo had a hand in turning Orochimaru evil. Danzo even made his allies kill each other in a test or they both get killed if they refuse.

Danzo is evil.
 

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Itachi followed the order of someone evil, which is Danzo. So by following Danzo evil order, that makes Itachi evil, even if his intention was good. Not every Uchiha were evil.

Danzo is responsible for Kabuto turning evil, Kabuto mum dying and Nagato turning evil. I wouldn't be surprised if Danzo had a hand in turning Orochimaru evil. Danzo even made his allies kill each other in a test or they both get killed if they refuse.

Danzo is evil.
Those orders were issued by Hiruzen, so he's evil.
 
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