Itachi DID kinda solo Negato like it or not...

[KidGamer65]

Kabuto was merely responding to Itachi's claim that he tracked him down. Itachi was alone when he entered the cave, with Nagato already taken care of, that is why Kabuto wondered if Itachi himself can track chakra too.

And again blind spot is simply the collection of ALL coordinates within the 3 dimensional space that is not within any of the overlaying visual cones. Its definition ENCOMPASSES your explanation of the term, but exceeds it. I really dont see why we are still arguing about this simple point. Logic dictates that if you're saying nagato's shared field of vision "has no blind spot", it would indicate your understanding of the term is incomplete. Please just think about this for a bit.

And your suggestion of pain's defence using different paths against "blind spot attacks" seem to further imply you dont quite get the term. A CAMERA CANT TRACK MOVEMENT OUTSIDE OF ITS VISUAL CONE, one cant track objects in its blindspot, even by your definition, this statement should hold true. In short, Pain wouldn't know WHERE TO BLOCK, even though he has plenty of tools to block a simple shuriken.

Once the shared field of vision is gone, nagato would be defenceless against the susanoo sword attack from the massive range of blindspots around him. Shinra tensei's 5 second interval is more than enough for itachi to seal him.

You are acting like Nagato doesn't have 2 eyes of his own, if shared vision is gone, he will become more aware of his surroundings, you act like he will be a sitting duck without it.

Let's say we let Itachi take out Shared Vision.. then Nagato can retaliate against him with CT or Chou Shinra Tensei.

Also Itachi said when you were controlling us it was easy to tell where your chakra was. Kabuto knew that he was with Nagato, and Itachi even said us but Kabuto thought it was Itachi, not Nagato, thus he did not know Nagato was a sensor.

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[spartan_kenobi]

You are acting like Nagato doesn't have 2 eyes of his own, if shared vision is gone, he will become more aware of his surroundings, you act like he will be a sitting duck without it.

Let's say we let Itachi take out Shared Vision.. then Nagato can retaliate against him with CT or Chou Shinra Tensei.

Also Itachi said when you were controlling us it was easy to tell where your chakra was. Kabuto knew that he was with Nagato, and Itachi even said us but Kabuto thought it was Itachi, not Nagato, thus he did not know Nagato was a sensor.

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Nagato does not boast superior reflexes and speed than itachi, and he has shown himself very rigid in fights often rooted to a spot. Of course he wont simply be a sitting duck, but he would lose his defense edge, and his fighting style counts against him.

All of nagato's most powerful jutsus like CT and chou shinra tensei have substantial prep time, and i really dont see how he can avoid being sealed while activating these techs when itachi is close by waiting for an opening to use the totsuka sword, which is shown to be extremely fast. The only reason nagato was able to use CT in this fight was because Itachi had snatched naruto and bee AWAY from him, so itachi wasnt close enough by to exploit nagato's now massive range of blindspot with his shared vision gone.

And i just dont see how you can get from that dialogue that kabuto shows he does or does not know about nagato's sensing ability. It was about itachi's ability to do so, and up to this point in the fight itachi has not done anything to contradict this faulse assumption. As soon as he spotted the oddity kabuto called on itachi's bluff, and itachi confimed it. That kabuto already knows about nagato's ability to sense chakra does not mean he should automatically count out the possibility of itachi being able to do the same. Your reasoning does not stand.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato does not boast superior reflexes and speed than itachi, and he has shown himself very rigid in fights often rooted to a spot. Of course he wont simply be a sitting duck, but he would lose his defense edge, and his fighting style counts against him.

All of nagato's most powerful jutsus like CT and chou shinra tensei have substantial prep time, and i really dont see how he can avoid being sealed while activating these techs when itachi is close by waiting for an opening to use the totsuka sword, which is shown to be extremely fast. The only reason nagato was able to use CT in this fight was because Itachi had snatched naruto and bee AWAY from him, so itachi wasnt close enough by to exploit nagato's now massive range of blindspot with his shared vision gone.

Substantial Prep Time?, no it doesn't; for CT all he has to do is release the ball and throw it into the air. For CST all he has to do is call out the attack like he did at Konoha. Nagato also has summons to keep him busy.

And i just dont see how you can get from that dialogue that kabuto shows he does or does not know about nagato's sensing ability. It was about itachi's ability to do so, and up to this point in the fight itachi has not done anything to contradict this faulse assumption. As soon as he spotted the oddity kabuto called on itachi's bluff, and itachi confimed it. That kabuto already knows about nagato's ability to sense chakra does not mean he should automatically count out the possibility of itachi being able to do the same. Your reasoning does not stand.

If Kabuto knew Nagato could sense he never would have assumed that Itachi sensed him, cause he knew Nagato would have tracked him back there not Itachi, he didn't know either of them could sense,cause if he did he would have considered the possibility of Nagato doing it and not Itachi.

 

[JakeLife510]

Nagato can summon his Gecko to go invisible and keep his eyes fixed on either Itachi or Nagato for a reaction to avoid an attack.

As proven with Kakashi.
Kakashi tried to get Asura path from behind and ducked easily, because of Deva path's vision.
That was his reaction time with cotrolling 6 paths of Pein.
And all his skills are enhanced if alone

 

[bl4ckJack]

I actually like Minato more personally. Kishi did say in one of his latest interviews that Itachi is his favorite Akatsuki, but Minato embodies much of his own personality and what he himsef aspires to be like as a father.

Everyone has their own favorites on the show, but it does seem kishi has made itachi and minato as the two "flawless" men in his saga, although they're not exactly the "most powerful" as the term goes.

Cheers mate I like both of them !!! ( Actually I dont hate anyone )

 

[spartan_kenobi]

Substantial Prep Time?, no it doesn't; for CT all he has to do is release the ball and throw it into the air. For CST all he has to do is call out the attack like he did at Konoha. Nagato also has summons to keep him busy.



If Kabuto knew Nagato could sense he never would have assumed that Itachi sensed him, cause he knew Nagato would have tracked him back there not Itachi, he didn't know either of them could sense,cause if he did he would have considered the possibility of Nagato doing it and not Itachi.

it does seem our comprehension of itachi and nagato's relative speed of attack are vastly different, but since the result of said comparison is never strictly given and is more based on interpretation of separate artwork by kishi, i see no further reason for us to argue on this for we are unlikely to reach an agreement. Lets just agree to disagree~ truth is even with the shared vision gone i wouldnt say itachi can easily seal nagato anyway or that a victory by itachi is 100%, like i said before, i would simply bet on him based on his far superior skill with his deadly tools, even though nagato has far superior destructive power.

As for the kabuto reference... Kabuto was wondering if itachi could sense chakra because itachi "implied" it, AND seemed to actually have this ability during his fight with kabuto until he contradicted himself on the page you referred to - a fight that took place LONG AFTER nagato is sealed. So there's the answer to your question. Even if kabuto did know nagato could sense chakra, he still had reason to suspect itachi could do the same because of the latter's misdirection via words, AND itachi's performance during that battle, which again took place WAY AFTER nagato was out of the picture.

 

[spartan_kenobi]

Nagato can summon his Gecko to go invisible and keep his eyes fixed on either Itachi or Nagato for a reaction to avoid an attack.

As proven with Kakashi.
Kakashi tried to get Asura path from behind and ducked easily, because of Deva path's vision.
That was his reaction time with cotrolling 6 paths of Pein.
And all his skills are enhanced if alone

we were talking about nagato's skills and reflex WITHOUT shared vision. If you are interested in why please refer to our earlier discussions~