Itachi DID kinda solo Negato like it or not...

[spartan_kenobi]

I'm not one who will call Itachi the "most powerful" character in the manga, but these days people on the base keep downgrading his ability with tons of negato/naruto/tobi >>> itachi threads I just cant help voicing my opinion on this.

People keep saying in their fight against negato it was "3 against 1" so Itachi only kinda helped out, but please reread chapter 551 carefully and follow the sequence of events. Most readers here seem to only remember the big combo of rasenshuriken+tbb+yasaka's magatama, but that was only to destroy the chibaku tensei, NOT what defeated negato. Negato was defeated only because 1. Itachi COUNTERED the supposedly perfect "shared field of vision" with his shuriken skill 2. Susanoo's sealing sword. In fact when Itachi rescued Naruto and Bee with his susanoo, you can see he already completed step 1 without Negato even realizing it happening (don't say it's because naruto and bee were distracting Negato, because Negato has always depended on his "shared field of vision" for combat responsiveness, instead of, say, staring at his opponents), meaning if Itachi didnt have to rescue Naruto and Bee from getting their souls eaten up, he could've ended the fight right there with his Totsuka sword from behind before Negato even had a chance to use Chibaku Tensei, for Negato had no way of detecting the attack with his field of vision compromised.

When many people on the base go on about their immensely flawed "ranking" (a concept which is arguably not compatible with this world kishimoto is building by definition anyway) , all they got to give Itachi was a list of "amaterasu, susanoo, tsukoyomi, yata's mirror" etc. Yet if you have really paid attention to the manga, you should know that Itachi's real power is his skill with whatever abilities he has access to, and a calm mind to form seamless strategy whatever situation he finds himself in (similar to how Naruto's real power being his conviction and persistance, not just kurama). A random ninja with Itachi's eyes would NOT be his equavalent. Think back on what zetsu says about a master throwing a pebble being more lethal than a rookie's kunai.

Itachi himself would be the last person to tell you he's invincible. But I wouldn't really bet against him when he is on a mission to hunt down any individual, for Itachi's shown himself to be the type of assassin who will almost always find a way to get it done, and when you think carefully on what kind of tools he has access to, what his "pebbles" actually are, you should really fear for whoever his target is.

That is... unless the target's edo madara, for at this point it seems betting on anybody against edo madara is about the same as when you cheered for all your favorite heroes during World War Hulk...

 

[ekichi onizuka]

itachi rapes nagoto + rep

 

[OnPoint]

Nagato was not even controlling himself and Itachi would've been soloed by Chibaku Tensei without Bee and Naruto's help. Itachi soloed no-one.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Yeah naruto and bee were worthless in that fight, sasuke did more vs kabuto. But no nagato beats itachi 1vs1 but nice thread

 

[eevy]

negato, cool nick name bro ahahaha

 

[Shiina..]

Good thread +Rep ^^

 

[kotoamatsukami]

First off nagato was being controlled..you won't just take nagato out from behind with susanoo he can sense peoPle so you fail...second itachi needed help to destroy chibaku-tensi.

 

[Lilvic92]

+rep Itachi soloed the sh*t outta that n*gga

 

[Blaze Release]

If i believe itachi can defeat an opponent i say it. However nagato would be a very tough call and he is favourite.
Itachi didnt solo nagato. He was the main person on team naruto who contributed the most however it was a team effort

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you kidding me? Without Naruto and Bee, CT would have finished him, the fight never would have gotten to Totsuka.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

1. it was indeed three on one.

2. that was a controlled nagato, not the real one.

3. never ever consider an edo as the real shinobi, so even if itachi did beat edo nagato in a 1on1 he is still not stronger coz thats a CONTROLLED nagato.

nagato is the strongest akatsuki PERIOD

 

[spartan_kenobi]

Nagato was not even controlling himself and Itachi would've been soloed by Chibaku Tensei without Bee and Naruto's help. Itachi soloed no-one.

Itachi could have sealed nagato from behind when the latter was trying to pull out naruto and bee's souls, for we can see itachi already disabled nagato's shared vision at that point. In short, itachi was in a position to seal nagato BEFORE he had a chance to use chikabu tensei, if he hadn't gone full susanoo to rescue naruto and bee instead.

 

[spartan_kenobi]

Are you kidding me? Without Naruto and Bee, CT would have finished him, the fight never would have gotten to Totsuka.

Please read the chapter more closely, Itachi had already disabled Nagato's shared field of vision when the latter was trying to pull out naruto and bee's souls, meaning right there he could have sealed nagato from behind. Only reason nagato went to CT stage was that itachi used susanoo to rescue naruto and bee, otherwise nagato would be sealed BEFORE he's able to use CT.

 

[KidGamer65]

Please read the chapter more closely, Itachi had already disabled Nagato's shared field of vision when the latter was trying to pull out naruto and bee's souls, meaning right there he could have sealed nagato from behind. Only reason nagato went to CT stage was that itachi used susanoo to rescue naruto and bee, otherwise nagato would be sealed BEFORE he's able to use CT.

If Naruto and Bee weren't fighting he never would have been busy with them, so he would be focused on Itachi.

 

[spartan_kenobi]

1. it was indeed three on one.

2. that was a controlled nagato, not the real one.

3. never ever consider an edo as the real shinobi, so even if itachi did beat edo nagato in a 1on1 he is still not stronger coz thats a CONTROLLED nagato.

nagato is the strongest akatsuki PERIOD

See this is the problem I see with many arguments similar to yours. The world of naruto is not crafted as such that whoever is more destructive is stronger.

Pain has godly powers. In any itachi vs nagato debate, an honest fan must agree to the fact that Nagato's powers are more aggressive, more destructive, and shall we say, more badass both in look and in scope. Itachi on the other hand, packs powers allowing him to perform lethal yet precise strikes upon his targets. And this is where the argument lies. Nagato/Pain's powers are more overwhelming than Itachi's.

But see, a ninja's powers are nothing but their tools, and what really matters is the shinobi that wields them. Even as Pain (when nagato is not controlled by anyone), we can see his fighting style is simple aggression, overpowering his opponents by spamming his powers. Nagato has not shown any gift as a tactician, as a planner, and this is why a match between him and Itachi can clearly turn into the "kunai vs pebble" battle zetsu spoke of, for when you think of it, Itachi's powers while less flashy and destructive, are still mostly one-shot-kills: in the hands of a master tactician, they can become more deadly than Nagato's brute strength, which is actually what happened in the edo fight in question.

To summarize, a random ninja with Nagato's powers > the same ninja were he given Itachi's powers instead. But when it's Itachi in charge of these powers, my money's on him instead of nagato.

 

[spartan_kenobi]

If Naruto and Bee weren't fighting he never would have been busy with them, so he would be focused on Itachi.

See I actually addressed this problem in my post. Nagato relies on shared vision instead of "staring at his opponents" to sense and counter attacks. You can see when he's attacking bee he isn't even looking at him. Meaning even though he's not facing itachi, it does not mean nagato's "too busy with naruto and bee to notice", for the shared vision sensing is supposed to be "perfect". And it was in this state that Itachi disabled his vision. He disabled it when nagato's perfect shared vision was still "on", with superb shuriken skill unique to itachi, according to kabuto.

 

[bl4ckJack]

y every day so many threads about Itachi :|
By popularity hes the No 1 .. that I can say for sure

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

See this is the problem I see with many arguments similar to yours. The world of naruto is not crafted as such that whoever is more destructive is stronger.

Pain has godly powers. In any itachi vs nagato debate, an honest fan must agree to the fact that Nagato's powers are more aggressive, more destructive, and shall we say, more badass both in look and in scope. Itachi on the other hand, packs powers allowing him to perform lethal yet precise strikes upon his targets. And this is where the argument lies. Nagato/Pain's powers are more overwhelming than Itachi's.

But see, a ninja's powers are nothing but their tools, and what really matters is the shinobi that wields them. Even as Pain (when nagato is not controlled by anyone), we can see his fighting style is simple aggression, overpowering his opponents by spamming his powers. Nagato has not shown any gift as a tactician, as a planner, and this is why a match between him and Itachi can clearly turn into the "kunai vs pebble" battle zetsu spoke of, for when you think of it, Itachi's powers while less flashy and destructive, are still mostly one-shot-kills: in the hands of a master tactician, they can become more deadly than Nagato's brute strength, which is actually what happened in the edo fight in question.

To summarize, a random ninja with Nagato's powers > the same ninja were he given Itachi's powers instead. But when it's Itachi in charge of these powers, my money's on him instead of nagato.

i already understand your point, but also the world of naruto is simple with statements and obvious stuff given to us, it was said that nagato is the leader and the strongest akatsuki member so its simple and clear. now your free to make any kind of logic you wan't but that would be another manga (one in you head) and not naruto, the real nagato is stronger than the real itachi ... no buts or any other nonsense if you wana talk from the manga. i never look at flashy jutsu or any one specific attack, nagato as a hall shinobi is stronger than itachi like the manga said

 

[spartan_kenobi]

First off nagato was being controlled..you won't just take nagato out from behind with susanoo he can sense peoPle so you fail...second itachi needed help to destroy chibaku-tensi.

Nagato can sense people through field of vision as explained during Pain arc. With his shared vision disabled by itachi's shuriken, he couldn't sense anything he's not seeing. Just think my good man, how else could itachi have sealed him, if he could still sense his opponent's attacks through other means.

 

[spartan_kenobi]

i already understand your point, but also the world of naruto is simple with statements and obvious stuff given to us, it was said that nagato is the leader and the strongest akatsuki member so its simple and clear. now your free to make any kind of logic you wan't but that would be another manga (one in you head) and not naruto, the real nagato is stronger than the real itachi ... no buts or any other nonsense if you wana talk from the manga

I did not use logic outside of naruto. And please, if you read my post closely, I did not say Itachi is "more powerful" than Nagato. As far as the terms "powerful" goes, you remain correct. That's just not what decides who wins a fight in naruto, as is the case with the result of this particular fight - which is part of the manga, not my imagination.