Itachi body and chakra are too weak for Rinnegan and Juubi

[To Whatever]

No kabuto doesn't otherwise he would've made refernce to them when fighting Itachi and Sasuke. He also wouldn't have wanted a Zetsu for studying. Kabuto had some Hashi cells likely from Orochimaru's experiments which he could play with. As for Kabuto, he's Kabuto and had a body which could handle such things he also went onto learn DSM.

While Orochimaru's reasearch may be leaps and bounds, his children have yet to demonstrate the Mokuton ability. I don't for a moment believe Orochimaru wouldn't give his kids such an ability if possible.

Since we're assuming Orochimaru no longer conducts human experiments we may never find out if he's perfected a method to pass them to others.

Kabuto experimented on himself in order to attain the necessary requirements to use DSM. He did have Hashirama DNA inside him if you read the manga. Him not making reference to it in the fight is irrelevant.

 

[chaos control]

Hashirama cells fixes that.

He doesn’t need to host the juubi

Itachi doesn't have Hashirama's cells. You can't attribute those to him unless he were to get them.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Kabuto experimented on himself in order to attain the necessary requirements to use DSM. He did have Hashirama DNA inside him if you read the manga. Him not making reference to it in the fight is irrelevant.

No he didn't, he conducted experiments on himself to acquire more abilities not so he could learn DSM. If you could provide scans confirming Kabuto added Hashi cells or enhanced himself so he could learn DSM I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[To Whatever]

Itachi doesn't have Hashirama's cells. You can't attribute those to him unless he were to get them.

I never said he has them.

No he didn't, he conducted experiments on himself to acquire more abilities not so he could learn DSM. If you could provide scans for your confirming Kabuto added Hashi cells to himself I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

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Unless were going to claim that somehow, the giant snake growing from his stomach can store cells outside in a state that wouldn't let it die.

 

[salamander uchiha]

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Unless were going to claim that somehow, the giant snake growing from his stomach can store cells outside in a state that wouldn't let it die.

I am going to suggest exactly that since Kabuto is adding those cells to Sasuke. If they were a part of his make up/added to him he wouldn't have been able to do so. He also wanted a Zetsu because he didn't have what he needed otherwise there was no point in wanting a Zetsu. As an added bonus if he did indeed have Hashi cells then he wouldn't have needed anything else to boost the power of his Edo Tensei like Orochimaru's inferior chakra.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Not directly but as said chakra is increased by training which will also increase your stamina, more stamina means more physical energy which means more chakra,

You can run out of stamina by using taijutsu and still have chakra. But if you run out of chakra you will also run out of stamina.

Correct, Stamina=Physical Energy but there are some cases where Itachi completely ran out of stamina but he still had enough chakra to use a couple of jutsus.
So to me it wouldn't make sense for you to say that Itachi has low chakra reserves when you need high chakra reserves to use the sharingan in the first place let alone the Mangekyo Sharingan jutsus.

The reason why I'm saying this is because part 1 Kakashi who didn't have the

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still had

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. And his stats remained to be a 3 all the way to the early shippuden when he used Kamui on Deidara.
It's obvious that Kakashi's chakra grew stronger since the point of part 1 all the way to shippuden to be able to finally use the mangekyo sharingan but his stamina still remained stagnant.

So It's impossible for an Uchiha to have any type of low chakra reserves at all even Kakashi noted this during Team 7's training

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I'm not siding with itachi or madara in this thread but I just wanted to warn you about your mistake before some Naruto fan or any other Senju fan will use your words/thread against you in another thread.

Itachi has very high chakra reserves but his stamina or physical energy is absolute shit because of his illness, so he won't be as physical strong as someone like Gai or Lee who can break trees, boulders, and stone walls with a single punch. Neither will Itachi be able to handle the exhaustion suffering pains when the battle drags out longer than he anticipated but he was still smart enough to pace himself to keep up with Hebi Sasuke's level since they both collapsed.

 

[To Whatever]

I am going to suggest exactly that since Kabuto is adding those cells to Sasuke. If they were a part of his make up/added to him he wouldn't have been able to do so.

Yes, he would.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yes, he would.

Since I edited my post and you missed this here it is again.

I am going to suggest exactly that since Kabuto is adding those cells to Sasuke. If they were a part of his make up/added to him he wouldn't have been able to do so. He also wanted a Zetsu because he didn't have what he needed otherwise there was no point in wanting a Zetsu. As an added bonus if he did indeed have Hashi cells then he wouldn't have needed anything else to boost the power of his Edo Tensei like Orochimaru's inferior chakra.

Like I said they weren't added to him unless you have anything to prove otherwise. It made those possibly stored cells(we don't kniw if they were stored or that was tge mechanism of healing) no more a part of Kabuto than Yamato was who he actually ate.

 

[To Whatever]

Since I edited my post and you missed this here it is again.

I am going to suggest exactly that since Kabuto is adding those cells to Sasuke. If they were a part of his make up/added to him he wouldn't have been able to do so. He also wanted a Zetsu because he didn't have what he needed otherwise there was no point in wanting a Zetsu. As an added bonus if he did indeed have Hashi cells then he wouldn't have needed anything else to boost the power of his Edo Tensei like Orochimaru's inferior chakra.

Like I said they weren't added to him unless you have anything to prove otherwise.

- yes, he would have been able to.

You cannot isolate cells inside of your body while they are actively inside you. That’s like taking someone’s blood inside yourself and then putting just that blood inside someone else. It’s all or nothing. Just because his genes aren’t purely Hashirama doesn’t negate that. He even mentioned it’s a much tinkered Hashirama cell.

The rest of your post only holds if you’re right on your speculation, which you aren’t due to that scan.

There’s reasons he kidnapped Yamato and Anko and requested a Zetsu. Re-read the manga. You asked for scans and I provided. I’m not about to play this speculative suggestion game with you.

You have the burden of proof. As I provided my scans and what you’re saying goes against the manga.


The point being is that an Uchiha not be able to handle Hashirama’s cells is laughable. Regardless of their potential to be a Juubi Jin or not.

Which is something only a idiot would want given what black Zetsu’s intentions were and who the juubi actually is.

 

[salamander uchiha]

- yes, he would have been able to.

You cannot isolate cells inside of your body while they are actively inside you. That’s like taking someone’s blood inside yourself and then putting just that blood inside someone else. It’s all or nothing. Just because his genes aren’t purely Hashirama doesn’t negate that. He even mentioned it’s a much tinkered Hashirama cell.

Nonsense the only thing that scan confirmed is Kabuto was healing Sasuke via a Snake attached to his body. Nowhere did the scan confirm the cells were a part of Kabuto or a part of his make up. I asked you of proof of that and you haven't provided it.

The rest of your post only holds if you’re right on your speculation, which you aren’t due to that scan.

You're scan doesn't confirm anything except that Kabuto was using the attached Snake as a means to heal Sasuke. The only way you'd be able to prove that the cells were a part of Kabuto is if he stated they were or he showcased a Mokuton skill. Other than those two methods you're constructing a scenario based on something that cant be established. My rational evaluation makes perfect sense in light of this.

There’s reasons he kidnapped Yamato and Anko and requested a Zetsu. Re-read the manga. You asked for scans and I provided. I’m not about to play this speculative suggestion game with you.

You're scan didn't prove what you intended read above already addressed.

You have the burden of proof. As I provided my scans and what you’re saying goes against the manga.

Answered above and I'd like to add Kabuto also stored Yamato inside of him. That alone establishes he stores organic matter composed of cells inside himself. Yamato became no more a part of him than those Hashi cells, which may have been stored inside Kabuto.

The point being is that an Uchiha not be able to handle Hashirama’s cells is laughable. Regardless of their potential to be a Juubi Jin or not.

You're right but Itachi couldn't handle Aids so it's possible in his case.

Which is something only a idiot would want given what black Zetsu’s intentions were and who the juubi actually is.

BZ intentions are irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

[To Whatever]

Nonsense the only thing that scan confirmed is Kabuto was healing Sasuke via a Snake attached to his body. Nowhere did the scan confirm the cells were a part of Kabuto or a part of his make up. I asked you of lroof of that and you haven't provided that.



You're scan doesn't confirm anything except that Kabuto was using the attached Snake as a means to heal Sasuke. The only way you'd be able to prove that the cells were a part of Kabuto is if he stated they were or he showcased a mokiton skill. Other than those two methods you're constructing a scenario based on something that cant be established. My rational evaluation makes perfect sense.



You're scan didn't prove what you intended read above already addressed.



Answered above and I'd like to add Kabuto also stored Yamato inside of him. That alone establishes he stores, organic matter composed of cells inside of him. Yamato became no more a part of him than those Hashi cells which may have been stored inside Kabuto.




You're right but Itachi couldn't handle Aids so it's possible in his case.



BZ intentions are irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Yamato isn’t a cell, he’s an entire person. Kabuto stated he was using medical ninjutsu in combination with Modified Hashirama cells while actively pumping it into him.

Unless you can provide a scan of kabuto pumping an entire person into another person then your counter argument and speculation is still just that. Cells aren’t self sustained enough to be stored in the way you’re suggesting. If that were the case they’d be no real reason to preserve them in refrigerators or put them on ice.

Once again to the rest of your post. You have the burden of proof. You obviously cannot provide scans to support what you’re saying so just concede.


Not to mention, having his cells/genes doesn’t mean you have wood style. Naruto and Danzo has his cells, Sasuke has his cells. None use wood style.

Him not using woodstyle doesn’t mean anything at all.


If we’re not going to see eye to eye then this is my last reply. Unless you can provide scans. Otherwise, I’m not going to keep humoring your hot takes and speculation.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yamato isn’t a cell, he’s an entire person. Kabuto stated he was using medical ninjutsu in combination with Modified Hashirama cells while actively pumping it into him.

Yamato is a composed of cells. Kabuto was pumping cells what dont you understand? We see Kabuto pumping and healing via his snake I didn't see any other medical ninjutsu did you? Now how does that prove that the Hashi cells were a part of his make up.

Unless you can provide a scan of kabuto pumping an entire person into another person then you counter argument and speculation is still just that.

The point still stands the person is composed of cells and Kabuto stores cells in his body. Him pumping or not is irrelevant since he had no need to do so.

Once again to the rest of your post. You have the burden of proof. You obviously cannot provide scans to support what you’re saying so just concede.

I'm still waiting on the scan that confirms that the cells were a part of Kabuto's make up. You've yet to provide that I think it's time you concede.

Not to mention, having his cells/genes doesn’t mean you have wood style. Naruto and Danzo has his cells, Sasuke has his cells. None use wood style.

Naruto has Hashi cells or had an arm made based on them? Danzo didn't need to the moment he lost control of Hashi cells Mokuton came out. Sasuke doesn't use Mokuton because we don't actually know if the cells were used as a mechanism to heal and nothing more.

Him not using woodstyle doesn’t mean anything at all.


If we’re not going to see eye to eye then this is my last reply. Unless you can provide scans. Otherwise, I’m not going to keep humoring your hot takes and speculation.

I've yet to see the scan that confirms the Hashi cells are a part of Kabuto. All I've seen is a scan showing Kabuto healing via his snake. If you can't provide proof to the contrary then by all means do as you please.

 

[ThelUchiha]

Itachi was sick and suffer from killing his family and data book is shit and false. When your sick you barely even get up from bed and Itachi was sick for years from pain and cause of MS - Also how many times Itachi used MS before ? On kid Sasuke - probably in Akatsuki missions, against Kakashi, Sasuke again....and even against Sasuke caughing blood was able to withstand Kirin and summon Susano'o on his last breath so stay mad

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[minamoto]

Itachi was sick and suffer from killing his family and data book is shit and false. When your sick you barely even get up from bed and Itachi was sick for years from pain and cause of MS - Also how many times Itachi used MS before ? On kid Sasuke - probably in Akatsuki missions, against Kakashi, Sasuke again....and even against Sasuke caughing blood was able to withstand Kirin and summon Susano'o on his last breath so stay mad

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stop try bypass ban..

 

[ThelUchiha]

stop try bypass ban..

you for real brate? :elmo: dont quote me plese

 

[minamoto]

Correct, Stamina=Physical Energy but there are some cases where Itachi completely ran out of stamina but he still had enough chakra to use a couple of jutsus.
So to me it wouldn't make sense for you to say that Itachi has low chakra reserves when you need high chakra reserves to use the sharingan in the first place let alone the Mangekyo Sharingan jutsus.

The reason why I'm saying this is because part 1 Kakashi who didn't have the

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still had

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. And his stats remained to be a 3 all the way to the early shippuden when he used Kamui on Deidara.
It's obvious that Kakashi's chakra grew stronger since the point of part 1 all the way to shippuden to be able to finally use the mangekyo sharingan but his stamina still remained stagnant.

So It's impossible for an Uchiha to have any type of low chakra reserves at all even Kakashi noted this during Team 7's training

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I'm not siding with itachi or madara in this thread but I just wanted to warn you about your mistake before some Naruto fan or any other Senju fan will use your words/thread against you in another thread.

Itachi has very high chakra reserves but his stamina or physical energy is absolute shit because of his illness, so he won't be as physical strong as someone like Gai or Lee who can break trees, boulders, and stone walls with a single punch. Neither will Itachi be able to handle the exhaustion suffering pains when the battle drags out longer than he anticipated but he was still smart enough to pace himself to keep up with Hebi Sasuke's level since they both collapsed.

hey tonbous how can one run out of stamina?????..

 

[minamoto]

you for real brate? :elmo: dont quote me plese

stop acting like a rough crazy bo who dont give a f.... wait for ur ban to be lifted...and stop desrespeckting memberz..it's just a matter of patience....

 

[ThelUchiha]

stop acting like a rough crazy bo who dont give a f.... wait for ur ban to be lifted...and stop desrespeckting memberz..it's just a matter of patience....

im not desrespecting anyone.... we talked about this last time and here it iz again ban after ban for no reason?????? i lost my patience brate... - and who said i dont give a f.... ? get ready for tonight brate...

 

[minamoto]

im not desrespecting anyone.... we talked about this last time and here it iz again ban after ban for no reason?????? i lost my patience brate... - and who said i dont give a f.... ? get ready for tonight brate...

i gave u a chance but u broke ur promise...lipinuv used you like a puppet and made you post gay pics...

 

[To Whatever]

Yamato is a composed of cells. Kabuto was pumping cells what dont you understand? We see Kabuto pumping and healing via his snake I didn't see any other medical ninjutsu did you? Now how does that prove that the Hashi cells were a part of his make up.



The point still stands the person is composed of cells and Kabuto stores cells in his body. Him pumping or not is irrelevant since he had no need to do so.



I'm still waiting on the scan that confirms that the cells were a part of Kabuto's make up. You've yet to provide that I think it's time you concede.



Naruto has Hashi cells or had an arm made based on them? Danzo didn't need to the moment he lost control of Hashi cells Mokuton came out. Sasuke doesn't use Mokuton because we don't actually know if the cells were used as a mechanism to heal and nothing more.



I've yet to see the scan that confirms the Hashi cells are a part of Kabuto. All I've seen is a scan showing Kabuto healing via his snake. If you can't provide proof to the contrary then by all means do as you please.

You’re not only, trying to speculate and explain away scans.

You’re saying Yamato whose composition includes cells is the same as holding Hashirama’s cells.

Yamato’s cells are sustained inside himself because they are apart of him. Kabuto swallowing him is irrelevant. Understand? If you swallow a bug, is that bug’s cells suddenly sustained by you or the bug itself (until it dies, obviously stomach acid OP)

What Kabuto pumped into Sasuke was cells via his snake and medical ninjutsu (regardless of what you say, it’s stated as a fact). That was inside himself.


The fact you’re equating Yamato to a cell is more reason as to why I shouldn’t have even started this discussion with you. I can’t help myself but to reply when you say awful things like what you said above so I’m going to do us both a favor and block you seeing how we don’t see eye to eye or value each other opinions.

Nothing is lossed from me not seeing your posts and vice versa. So it’s for the best