itachi and sasuke vs jiriya and naruto

[22966633634]

i know naruto mastered sage mode but i still think jman is stronger in sage mode anyone agrees. if naruto wasnt the star of the show, sasuke and his ms abilities would destroy naruto.

JMan could not completely enter the sage mode. Hence, Naruto is stronger in sage mode. Sasuke used all the powers of his MS on the Raikage and his speed countered it. Naruto is at par with that speed. Sasuke can't keep up. He is owned. Also, all it takes to hit him even with his amaterasu cloak will be naruto's nine tail cloak. Amaterasu will not burn chakra. Sasuke is owned.

genjutsu works on naruto even in SM. jiraiya's the tough one to handle. i find nothing in itachi's arsenal that can beat jiraiya. however since naruto's finished,sasuke and itachi combo should be able to > jiraiya

Nope. Genjutsu does not work on Naruto in Rikudo mode. The nine tails chkra will disturb Naruto's chakra system and bring him out. From your argument, since Naruto is not out, Naruto + Jiraiya wins.

yes, but reread what I said. I said "while" he "was" in sage mode, he was raping Pain. I'm quite aware that when sage mode ran out, naruto was gunna get pwnd.

Nope. The last Pain caught Naruto in sage mode and drained all the sage mode chakra with the chakra receiver. That was when Hinata came in. Watch the episode again.

jman cant beat itachi and i dont care what anybody says but sasuke and his abilities are better than narutos. naruto only stand a chance cause hes the star of the show

Nope, he stands a chance because he is faster and has more chakra. He also has counters for most of Sasuke's abilities and has the elements of surprises working for him. That is why Naruto owns Sasuke.

 

[DigitalMonster]

Nope. Genjutsu does not work on Naruto in Rikudo mode. The nine tails chkra will disturb Naruto's chakra system and bring him out. From your argument, since Naruto is not out, Naruto + Jiraiya wins.

does kyuubi will willingly help naruto? so far,no.

 

[Lord Snow]

I believe he did, there is alot of evidence to point to the fact that Minato was a sage as well. He might not have needed to use it that often and Kishi might not have wanted to OP Minato but I have some stuff that made me think he was a sage as well.

If you want to I'll post all the reasons. Just message me about it.

i think u should post them, thanks

 

[Exaar]

Itachi would smack naruto down and the Jman would smack sasuke's ass down
it would be just a fight vs itachi and Jman

and even tho im a big itachi fan Jman would win
not all genjutsu works on the Jman and he has the two toads to back him up

and if itachi kills the Jman naruto will go 8tails and WTF pwn everyone xD

 

[Lord Snow]

Itachi would smack naruto down and the Jman would smack sasuke's ass down
it would be just a fight vs itachi and Jman

and even tho im a big itachi fan Jman would win
not all genjutsu works on the Jman and he has the two toads to back him up

and if itachi kills the Jman naruto will go 8tails and WTF pwn everyone xD

itachi has the mangekyu, he can control the foxes power

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Ok well this is for @rinnsharingan because he wanted to know my reasoning for why Minato is most likely a sage as well.

Well I have several reasons. My first is the fact that when he is first introduced in the manga and he is standing on Gamabunta he has the summoning scroll on his back. Why would he be the contract holder when Jiraiya was still alive if he wasn't just as good at toad related things?

He had a large chakra reserve just like Jiraiya and Naruto, something alot of people tend to forget (not you just alot of Minato haters).

My biggest reason and the one that almost makes it a fact is this, remember when one of the toads said that Naruto had surpassed those that came before him in regards to sage mode? Well I went back and looked it up, Jiraiya was the first person to stumble upon Mount Myobokuzan (spelling) and he did it as a kid. Since no one gave him the toad scroll to summon that means he is the first. When he showed Naruto the scroll that had the blood contracts on it only three names were on there, so that means there have only been three toad summoners. Now that we know there were only three we go back to that statement the toad made about Naruto surpassing those that came before him in regards to sage mode, it implies multiple people otherwise the toad would have said "Naruto surpassed Jiraiya" or something like that. That must mean Minato was also a sage on equal or better levels than J-man.

Message me back with your opinion. Thanks for the interest!

 

[Lord Snow]

Ok well this is for @rinnsharingan because he wanted to know my reasoning for why Minato is most likely a sage as well.

Well I have several reasons. My first is the fact that when he is first introduced in the manga and he is standing on Gamabunta he has the summoning scroll on his back. Why would he be the contract holder when Jiraiya was still alive if he wasn't just as good at toad related things?

He had a large chakra reserve just like Jiraiya and Naruto, something alot of people tend to forget (not you just alot of Minato haters).

My biggest reason and the one that almost makes it a fact is this, remember when one of the toads said that Naruto had surpassed those that came before him in regards to sage mode? Well I went back and looked it up, Jiraiya was the first person to stumble upon Mount Myobokuzan (spelling) and he did it as a kid. Since no one gave him the toad scroll to summon that means he is the first. When he showed Naruto the scroll that had the blood contracts on it only three names were on there, so that means there have only been three toad summoners. Now that we know there were only three we go back to that statement the toad made about Naruto surpassing those that came before him in regards to sage mode, it implies multiple people otherwise the toad would have said "Naruto surpassed Jiraiya" or something like that. That must mean Minato was also a sage on equal or better levels than J-man.

Message me back with your opinion. Thanks for the interest!

thanks, and now that i think of it, that can be thru. he would be insanely strong with sage mode. and if u think about it, the toad said those that came before naruto which means there had to been more than one sage before naruto. so yea i think he might of had it

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Itachi would smack naruto down and the Jman would smack sasuke's ass down
it would be just a fight vs itachi and Jman

and even tho im a big itachi fan Jman would win
not all genjutsu works on the Jman and he has the two toads to back him up

and if itachi kills the Jman naruto will go 8tails and WTF pwn everyone xD

Does no one understand Itachi's powers? No one can break out of Itachi's tsukuyomi except for a person who he is related to. Disrupting the chakra doesn't work against tsukuyomi, Itachi himself said that only Sasuke could do it because he was his blood relative.

And if Naruto went into tailed beast mode instead of his Rikudo mode then that would only help Itachi. Itachi's Susanoo is literally impenetrable and invincible because of the Yata mirror. If Naruto was larger and not running around as much he would just get sealed by the sword of Totsuka, bam game over. Naruto's only chance is to stay in Rikudo mode and dodge while waiting for Itachi's Susanoo to run out.

Jiraiya is also not immune to Tsukuyomi, even with the toads on his shoulders. Also who is to say that Itachi can't trap them in some genjutsu, people are forgetting that you can attack them as well. So Jiraiya loses to Itachi.

Sasuke would get beaten by any of the other three but Naruto and Jiraiya's only real option against Itachi is to dodge and wait for him to run out of chakra.


Edit: @rinnsharingan, yeah that was my point about the summoning scroll, after Jiraiya's name there was only Minato's and Naruto's. So knowing that it is just them we can pretty much be certain Minato knew how to go into sage mode because the frog said Naruto had surpassed those that came before him in regards to sage mode. (those means plural, more than 1)

 

[raxy]

I think j-man and naruto would win.....xdxdxdxd

 

[22966633634]

itachi has the mangekyu, he can control the foxes power

You are assuming all the mangekyou can control the foxes power. That is yet to be said or proved. You can't say that as a statement of fact.

does kyuubi will willingly help naruto? so far,no

You are right, so far no. I'd say wait till Wednesday. From the previous discussions between the fox and Naruto, I guess it will help Naruto. Naruto is already in Rikudo Mode and he has used Kage Bunshin. We'll see if the fox will suck all his chakra or cooperate. I bet it will.

Ok well this is for @rinnsharingan because he wanted to know my reasoning for why Minato is most likely a sage as well.

Well I have several reasons. My first is the fact that when he is first introduced in the manga and he is standing on Gamabunta he has the summoning scroll on his back. Why would he be the contract holder when Jiraiya was still alive if he wasn't just as good at toad related things?

He had a large chakra reserve just like Jiraiya and Naruto, something alot of people tend to forget (not you just alot of Minato haters).

My biggest reason and the one that almost makes it a fact is this, remember when one of the toads said that Naruto had surpassed those that came before him in regards to sage mode? Well I went back and looked it up, Jiraiya was the first person to stumble upon Mount Myobokuzan (spelling) and he did it as a kid. Since no one gave him the toad scroll to summon that means he is the first. When he showed Naruto the scroll that had the blood contracts on it only three names were on there, so that means there have only been three toad summoners. Now that we know there were only three we go back to that statement the toad made about Naruto surpassing those that came before him in regards to sage mode, it implies multiple people otherwise the toad would have said "Naruto surpassed Jiraiya" or something like that. That must mean Minato was also a sage on equal or better levels than J-man.

Message me back with your opinion. Thanks for the interest!

Interesting points. Only that to carry the scroll does not mean you are a sage. It only means you are the latest to sign the contract(IMO). The scroll should have been Naruto's once he signed the contract (I think). I guess it was only because he was young. Also, I remember grandpa during Naruto's training telling him only Him and JMan were suited to the Sage mode training, and that's because of their guts. Watch the video again.

Finally, if you say only JMan, fourth and Naruto were the only ones to train at Mt Myoubukou (spelling) how do you explain the toad stones of all who had come there to train and had become stones? I remember Grandpa tell Naruto they trained in sage modes and could not handle it.

Conclusion: You may be right, the fourth could have been a sage but your evidences cannot prove it - at least not yet.

 

[Sanctuary_Ninja]

Well to compare them you have to ask yourself what time period are you need. Because Sasuke was better then naruto until he started got to sage mode. So if you want to say up to before then I would have to say that the brothers would have taken it because naruto was weak and could keep up with them and getting in j-mans way. But even before that jman could beat itachi one on one. Ama wouldn't have done anything to unanticipated and itachi dont have anything to really other then some silly mind games and yes he beat kakashi but he's no where near jmans level. But if you want to say up to now naruto could have taken both of them out by hisself. Bit when sasuke comes back its going to go down. Everyone is talking naruto this and naruto that but Sasuke was badass before he got itachis eyes.

 

[Lord Snow]

well itachi told sasuke the secrets of the ms he said u gain the power to control the fox. and u control the fox under genjutsu which means itachi could probally do it cause he the best at it

 

[Wind Blade]

i got to say jiraiya and naruto

 

[22966633634]

well itachi told sasuke the secrets of the ms he said u gain the power to control the fox. and u control the fox under genjutsu which means itachi could probally do it cause he the best at it

Probably right. But remember, Naruto does not even need to fight in Rikudo Mode for the fox to help him. It's about chakra distribution. If he does not fight in Rikudo Mode, Itachi's ability to control the fox does not matter.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Well to compare them you have to ask yourself what time period are you need. Because Sasuke was better then naruto until he started got to sage mode. So if you want to say up to before then I would have to say that the brothers would have taken it because naruto was weak and could keep up with them and getting in j-mans way. But even before that jman could beat itachi one on one. Ama wouldn't have done anything to unanticipated and itachi dont have anything to really other then some silly mind games and yes he beat kakashi but he's no where near jmans level. But if you want to say up to now naruto could have taken both of them out by hisself. Bit when sasuke comes back its going to go down. Everyone is talking naruto this and naruto that but Sasuke was badass before he got itachis eyes.

I completely disagree with the bolded part above. There are few people who can keep up with Itachi's speed and his incredible intellect. Jiraiya is terrible at genjutsu, (said by himself) and Itachi is a genjutsu master. And as far as I recall Sage mode doesn't make you immune to genjutsu, if anyone can tell me where it says that then I would like to see. So even if Ma and Pa were there to disrupt his chakra, Itachi could just put them in a genjutsu and still win. That isn't even taking into account Tsukuyomi which can't be beaten the normal way, you can't just disrupt your chakra and expect to get out of it, otherwise Kakashi would not have been tortured for days ( or seconds depending on how you look at it). So yeah even if Itachi only used genjutsu it would be like Itachi vs. Oro, genjutsu and ten seconds later Itachi wins.

So Itachi against Jiraiya with genjutsu alone but let's look at his other MS abilities, not even taking into account the rest of his ninjutsu.

Amaterasu- unquenchable black flames that overpower any fire attack Jiraiya could use. (also should be enough for a win)

And of course Susanoo, because Itachi has the Yata mirror his version of Susanoo is literally impenetrable. And he has the Totsuka sword that seals whatever it touches. So yeah if he uses that then Jiraiya 1)can't attack him, and 2) has to constantly dodge to avoid getting sealed for life.


I know Itachi said he would only be able to bring out a stalemate but he probably said that because he actually was a pacifist and cared about Konoha.

 

[Lord Snow]

Probably right. But remember, Naruto does not even need to fight in Rikudo Mode for the fox to help him. It's about chakra distribution. If he does not fight in Rikudo Mode, Itachi's ability to control the fox does not matter.

ur right but the thing is, the fox hates naruto and i dont think he can be controlled in rikdou mode cause he is just using the fox chakra and he makes no contact with it. i dont know for that rikodou sage seal though, maybe they wont be able to seal the kyubi

 

[22966633634]

ur right but the thing is, the fox hates naruto and i dont think he can be controlled in rikdou mode cause he is just using the fox chakra and he makes no contact with it. i dont know for that rikodou sage seal though, maybe they wont be able to seal the kyubi

Yeah the fox does not like Naruto but it will not want Naruto dead. Remember Naruto is still it's container, hence, Naruto dies, the fox dies. The fox needs to be extracted from Naruto before Naruto dies. Hence, the fox has no choice than to help Naruto.

 

[Gilda]

jiraja and naruto win because they are stronger......just that

 

[UGO]

If you are talking about a fight when they are at their prime it would be Jiraiya and Naruto's victory.
This is because Naruto would have his new form and for this to be a fari fight we will have to see the power of sasuke's new eyes.
Also Itachi once said to Kisame that Jiraiya would beat them both and for them to kill him they would have to die as well.
It would basically be the power of two mangekyou sharingan(not eternal) versus: a legendary sannin, the jinchuuriki of the nine-tails (full control) and two toad sages.
If you look at techniques, our 2 Uchiha have: fire ball jutsu, chidori and chidori based moves, kirin, sharingan(mangekyou),amaterasu, susanoo and a lot of genjutsu.
The sages have: Rasengans, Rasenshuriken, Shadow clones, Toad summonings, Sage mode, Jinchuriki form and Earth, Fire and Wind natures.
It would be a cool fight but there is a lot of power on the Sage side.

 

[Lord Snow]

u guys saw narutos new abilities, anybody want to change their minds, naruto to me looks invincible, thats until madara and sasuke comes thru