Itachi and Minato can't beat each other really :/

[xbreedsx]

I believed that if the manga stated that someone can not be surpassed then that means if Kishi were to write about Minato and Itachi fighting, the writer himself will make Minato wins no matter what. Minato wasn't hokage for nothing, he should have more arsenal. Its just a FTG and a fast rasengan always get the work done. I'm going for what the manga is going at now, before shippuden started Naruto always look up to Minato and was the only hokage he strive to surpassed. Now all of a sudden in shipuuden the other hokages become god like, harashima cell became the sperm of all nature. Its a plothole, the writer can change everything.
But you know if I was Minato, having FTG and a fast rasengan comes in handy, you better not let me tag you cause then I will be able to spam FTG and rasengan at you until you become dust.

 

[Troyg39]

itachi's reflexes are fast that he can keep up with sasuke's taijutsu even though his nearly blind at that time
itachi can kill minato with just one jutsu TSUKUYOMI
if minato don't look at itachi's eyes itachi had a large advantage to minato
itachi won by a landslide /thread

1.You compared Sasuke's taijutsu to FTG level 2. Stop it
2. Itachi has to keep susanoo active to defend himself. Which gives Minato something to look at besides Itachi to keep track of him
3. Makes ZERO sense
4. You are too inexperienced of a debater to end a thread. Stay in school. Good day sir

Yes but do you see the kunai hanging a few meters from where he ends up? That indicated he can teleport a good distance away from his kunai. There are more manga instances showing the same thing, if you want me to go find some more. He can simply throw a kunai in front of Susano'o, and then he has a few meters to teleport directly into his Susano'o. No tagging necessary

If that's how you think it will work ok.

Is moving your hand through the air to hit the target instant? Yeah try again bud. You know what, i'll just quote captainEo's thread.

The guy you quoted explained why Minato couldn't beat Itachi. Which I explained also in this thread. It still doesn't change the fact that Itachi can't do anything to him either for reasons I also explained. If you can't say anything to refute my thread, please stop

 

[Space Cowboy]

1.You compared Sasuke's taijutsu to FTG level 2. Stop it
2. Itachi has to keep susanoo active to defend himself. Which gives Minato something to look at besides Itachi to keep track of him
3. Makes ZERO sense
4. You are too inexperienced of a debater to end a thread. Stay in school. Good day sir


If that's how you think it will work ok.



The guy you quoted explained why Minato couldn't beat Itachi. Which I explained also in this thread. It still doesn't change the fact that Itachi can't do anything to him either for reasons I also explained. If you can't say anything to refute my thread, please stop

Its exactly how Minato has ended presumably hundreds of fights in his lifetime. Itachi is no different once his defenses are bypassed

 

[Troyg39]

I believed that if the manga stated that someone can not be surpassed then that means if Kishi were to write about Minato and Itachi fighting, the writer himself will make Minato wins no matter what. Minato wasn't hokage for nothing, he should have more arsenal. Its just a FTG and a fast rasengan always get the work done. I'm going for what the manga is going at now, before shippuden started Naruto always look up to Minato and was the only hokage he strive to surpassed. Now all of a sudden in shipuuden the other hokages become god like, harashima cell became the sperm of all nature. Its a plothole, the writer can change everything.
But you know if I was Minato, having FTG and a fast rasengan comes in handy, you better not let me tag you cause then I will be able to spam FTG and rasengan at you until you become dust.

Can't say how Kishi would right it. We have more than one God of Shinobi, so clearly Kishi changes his mind on a whim

The fight begins.
Minato has sensory abilities, he knows how to pinpoint someone's location just by placing his finger on the ground.
He does this, finds Itachi, throws multiple kunai in the general direction of Itachi, without ever having to look at him.
Itachi activates Susanoo (if he can do it fast enough) and defends himself.
Minato now can use Susanoo's oversized butt to pinpoint Itachi without ever having to look at him.
Itachi deactivates Susanoo to take away the disadvantage of not being able to hit Minato with Tsukuyomi.
Minato clearly can see Susanoo deactivating so he knows where Itachi is without looking directly at him.
He moves in and throws his kunai.
FTG level 2, Itachi isn't fast enough to avoid that.

Do you really think Itachi would be stupid enough to fight this battle without Susanoo active?

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Dude just stop responding

this thread confusing me..at least one have to win.

I really don't see any logical way one can beat the other based on feats and how each person would have to defend themselves. It's amazing really. By defending with susanoo (which Itachi would have to do) he takes away his one advantage of genjutsu by giving Minato something to look at besides him directly. But with susanoo and yata mirror, Minato can't do anything to him either. It's a pure draw

Genjutsu GG

/thread

If you didn't read the thread. Do not respond. That genjutsu theory has already been shot down

 

[Blunt]

The guy you quoted explained why Minato couldn't beat Itachi. Which I explained also in this thread. It still doesn't change the fact that Itachi can't do anything to him either for reasons I also explained. If you can't say anything to refute my thread, please stop

I was not even talking to you. Please don't reply to me if you can't notice that.

By the way, Itachi has more ways to defeat Minato then the other way around.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Is moving your hand through the air to hit the target instant? Yeah try again bud. You know what, i'll just quote captainEo's thread.

1) Minato's base speed alone is insane enough he doesn't need to use ftg 24/7.

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2) Those are mainly assumptions predicting that Minato's moves will always be the same.

 

[Blunt]

1) Minato's base speed alone is insane enough he doesn't need to use ftg 24/7.

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2) Those are mainly assumptions predicting that Minato's moves will always be the same.

Itachi was also noted for his speed, Sasuke, Itachi and many others have body flicker. lol

 

[Troyg39]

Its exactly how Minato has ended presumably hundreds of fights in his lifetime. Itachi is no different once his defenses are bypassed

Susanoo in itself is a shield capable of blocking off most attacks. I don't think Minato would be able to just teleport into something like that. the picture you showed me was of Sasuke purposely letting Zetsu in susanoo. No one infiltrated it. It's more likely that zetsu was allowed in because Sasuke allowed him in. Susanoo is a barrier of sorts, and I don't think FTG allows you to just teleport a few meters away from the seal and right through the barrier.

In other words Minato's kunai was already inside of a building. When he teleported, he landed a few feet away from the kunai, but he was still inside of the building with nothing but open space keeping him from it. He can't just teleport to a kunai that's inside a building and end up outside of it. So I don't see how he's going to teleport to a kunai outside of Susanoo and somehow end up in it

 

[Troyg39]

I was not even talking to you. Please don't reply to me if you can't notice that.

By the way, Itachi has more ways to defeat Minato then the other way around.

Did you make this thread? I didn't think so. I'm the OP here, not you. I reply to who I want. You don't like it, make you own thread and get out

And name something else that Itachi has that will actually hit Minato? didn't think so

 

[Blunt]

Did you make this thread? I didn't think so. I'm the OP here, not you. I reply to who I want. You don't like it, make you own thread and get out

And name something else that Itachi has that will actually hit Minato? didn't think so

It is a public forum, I will post on whatever thread that is accessible to me if I LIKE. Now see the flaw in your petty ass logic? Don't tell me to stop if I can't do the same damn thing.

Edit: I am done with you, you will try to conjure some bad argument to reply to this statement.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

It is a public forum, I will post on whatever thread that is accessible to me if I LIKE. Now see the flaw in your petty ass logic? Don't tell me to stop if I can't do the same damn thing.

Insulting other NB members are we. I just lost any credibility to any statement you post after this.

 

[Troyg39]

It is a public forum, I will post on whatever thread that is accessible to me if I LIKE. Now see the flaw in your petty ass logic? Don't tell me to stop if I can't do the same damn thing.

No one told you to stop but I will dumb my post down for you. IF you take offense to me, the maker of this thread, replying to one of your posts despite it not being directly addressed to me, then you have the option of leaving MY thread, and making your own. Otherwise you can ignore my responses, but one thing you do not have the option of doing is telling me not to reply to you when you are on my thread and expecting me to listen.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Susanoo in itself is a shield capable of blocking off most attacks. I don't think Minato would be able to just teleport into something like that. the picture you showed me was of Sasuke purposely letting Zetsu in susanoo. No one infiltrated it. It's more likely that zetsu was allowed in because Sasuke allowed him in. Susanoo is a barrier of sorts, and I don't think FTG allows you to just teleport a few meters away from the seal and right through the barrier.

In other words Minato's kunai was already inside of a building. When he teleported, he landed a few feet away from the kunai, but he was still inside of the building with nothing but open space keeping him from it. He can't just teleport to a kunai that's inside a building and end up outside of it. So I don't see how he's going to teleport to a kunai outside of Susanoo and somehow end up in it

Now thats a better response. Of course Sasuke let Zetsu in. He picked him up himself. That aside, my point was that there is room for more than the user in Susano'o. There used to be many others that contended there was only room enough for the user himself. You had/have a good point, but Minato teleported straight through Obito no problem. I dont think it matters to be honest. Especially considering Susano'o is just a manifestation of chakra

 

[Blunt]

Insulting other NB members are we. I just lost any credibility to any statement you post after this.

You can't read, I did not insult him once. I said "your petty ass logic". I did not call him a name, I called his reasoning petty.

 

[Troyg39]

Now thats a better response. Of course Sasuke let Zetsu in. He picked him up himself. That aside, my point was that there is room for more than the user in Susano'o. There used to be many others that contended there was only room enough for the user himself. You had/have a good point, but Minato teleported straight through Obito no problem. I dont think it matters to be honest. Especially considering Susano'o is just a manifestation of chakra

1. He didn't teleport through Obito, Obito processes the power to go intangible and thus making objects pass through a silhouette of his body. When Minato struck him with FTG+Rasengan, he did not teleport through him as he passed, Obito simply went intangible and then tried to materialize once he thought he could catch Minato

2. Yes Susanoo is chakra, but we know it's dense enough to block attacks and to keep people/objects from passing through it at will. So I highly doubt Minato would be able to just pass threw it unless a seal was already inside of it. But I do understand your point about there not being room for more than one person in Susanoo. I never believed that either

And thanks for the rep

 

[Troyg39]

You can't read, I did not insult him once. I said "your petty ass logic". I did not call him a name, I called his reasoning petty.

Insulting other NB members are we. I just lost any credibility to any statement you post after this.

@Michael Jordan, First this guy has the nerve to tell the thread maker not to reply to him while he's on that thread maker's thread. Then he misinterprets the thread maker's next response. Then he replies with some failed logic. Then when you point out his insulting behavior, he says that you can't read (an insult) and then proceeds to act like he's not insulting

 

[Space Cowboy]

1. He didn't teleport through Obito, Obito processes the power to go intangible and thus making objects pass through a silhouette of his body. When Minato struck him with FTG+Rasengan, he did not teleport through him as he passed, Obito simply went intangible and then tried to materialize once he thought he could catch Minato

2. Yes Susanoo is chakra, but we know it's dense enough to block attacks and to keep people/objects from passing through it at will. So I highly doubt Minato would be able to just pass threw it unless a seal was already inside of it. But I do understand your point about there not being room for more than one person in Susanoo. I never believed that either

Hm i think that he became tangible immediately after the kunai had passed through him, although we obviously dont know for sure. He is usually pretty accurate with the timing of when to become tangible/intangible. I will say also that teleportation is teleportation. He is technically not supposed to be traveling, but simply appearing. So when he teleports around a marked kunai, its not like he had to travel through anything. He teleported "through" the houses structure just to appear there. Thats why i believe the same logic could be applied to the scenario i listed above. I feel as if i worded that a bit confusingly, sorry if i did

 

[Space Cowboy]

nope

TSUKOYOMI 1 SHOTS MINATO
and if he will not look
AMATERASU or a kunai to the brain will hit him

Minato FAPBOYZ failed to realize that Itachi doesn't need to use SUSANOO to exhaust himself

Minato will end up just like OROCHIMARU AND DEIDARA

Tsukoyomi then totsuka to the head

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FTG useless

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Learn to properly read the manga MINATO FAPBOYZ not bottom to top

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I love members like you

 

[Troyg39]

Hm i think that he became tangible immediately after the kunai had passed through him, although we obviously dont know for sure. He is usually pretty accurate with the timing of when to become tangible/intangible. I will say also that teleportation is teleportation. He is technically not supposed to be traveling, but simply appearing. So when he teleports around a marked kunai, its not like he had to travel through anything. He teleported "through" the houses structure just to appear there. Thats why i believe the same logic could be applied to the scenario i listed above. I feel as if i worded that a bit confusingly, sorry if i did

All of that is circumstantial. Let's think about how Obito teleports with Kamui. We first see the portal appear, and then we see him get warped in the portal. Then when it's time for him to be warped backed into the real world, we see the portal appear first, and then we see Obito be sort of "spit" out of that portal. But let's think about this. The portal appears where he is supposed to come out, and when he comes out of the portal, and where he lands, usually a few meters away distance is between them. He's never in the exact same spot as the portal that he comes out of.

This could be used to explain Minato and why he lands a few feet away from his Kunai. Kamui and FTG are both S/T techniques and both work with the idea of a portal or seal used as the enter/exit point for teleportation. Minato most likely is "spit" out of the kunai seal just like Obito is spit out of kamui, which is why they both land a little ways away from their respective exit points. We also know that when Obito enters Kamui, he travels in the other dimension. He's not travelling in the real world, so things like buildings don't bother him. But once he's spit back into real world, the laws of physics apply. More than likely Minato's FTG works the same way just a lot faster.

This however, does not mean that whenever they are spit out of their exit points that they can just pass though solid objects. Obito can't just make his kamui outside of building and then be spit through a wall when he exits unless he exits and then goes intangible again. Minato doesn't even have the ability to go intangible, so if he exits the kunai seal, he'll land as far as the momentum of FTG teleportation carries him as long as there isn't anything in the way obstructing his path (like Susanoo).

In other words, when Obito travels with Kamui, he doesn't travel in the real world, he travels in another dimension, but once he is about to re-enter the real world again, he can only go as far as his kamui portal will allow. If he doesn't go intangible afterwards, he can't just pass though a wall if his his exit point is outside of that wall. Minato's FTG works the same way. It travels in the other dimension, but once he's spit back out into the real world, he can only go where the seal is. If it's outside a structure, he can't enter it unless the exit point is also inside it.

 

[Troyg39]

well i don't even need to post that

just getting tired of minato fapboyz hardcore nut huggers over rating him

TSUKOYOMI will 1 SHOT MINATO
if he will not look into Itachi's eyes
Amaterasu will burn him or Itachi would just throw a kunai in his brain

you people really don't think that
GUY can beat Itachi w/o really looking at him huh?
Itachi is a genius/god for humanites sake

so not looking into itachi's eyes is pretty much not a counter for him

we also have the infamous finger genjutsu ROFL

just look what happened to ORO(the genius of the sannins the better candidate for 4th hokage) he gets 1 SHOTTED

ITACHI>>>MINATO

minato is nothing but an insect to itachi's MIGHTY EYES

1. Minato is too fast for Amaterasu and Totsuka. So he's not going to be hit by either of those. He also has S/T barrier (something I haven't even brought up yet) to intercept Totsuka if Itachi tries to use it.

2. Itachi isn't fast enough to dodge FTG level 2 on his own. So he needs Susanoo to defend himself. And if he uses Susanoo, Minato will have Susanoo to look at instead of Itachi. Meaning he won't get hit by Tsukuyomi. The fight is a draw

3. Read the thread, and the manga. I just destroyed that long post of yours with only point 1 and two lol

**edit** and did you really just say kunai to the brain? you think throwing a kunai at Minato is going to hit him?? really????