[Discussion] Itachi alive? or Sasuke's genjutsu?

[Rukia Hime]

We never know.. Many times looks deceive the actions.. He could be a full-on-rapist..​

He already raped Danzou's mind, so yeah

 

[Regulus]

Itachi's appearance in the fight between Sasuke and Danzo is an illusion. Several reasons pointing to it can be found in the manga chapters, if one looks hard enough. Firstly, Itachi coming back from the dead...now, that is not an impossibility in the Naruto world, but several characters, namely Madara Uchiha, have clearly stated Itachi is dead.

Take chapter 401, page 15 from onemanga: "he had to fight you...and die before your eyes."

Chapter 462, page 8: "that's the truth about Itachi. He died for Sasuke, and for Konoha."

Chapter 396, page 7: "but for now, we need to get Itachi's corpse, and leave immediately."

With this, we can conclude that Itachi appearing is simply an illusion. Now, if Itachi indeed was resurrected somehow, only a very few number of characters would be able to do it. For one, Chiyo, grandmother of Sasori, could if she actually wanted to, but she died long before Itachi did, because she used her resurrection technique to revive Gaara.

But also, it would be random for Chiyo to revive Itachi even if the timeline worked. Why would she do that? It's not like she has any relation to him, and she doesn't know the truth about him to begin with anyway.

The other character who would be able to revive Itachi would have been Nagato, with his Rinne Tensei technique. Nagato did indeed die after Itachi did, but as with Chiyo, Nagato had no relation with him. Nagato was able to only use his Rinne Tensei technique once, and he used it to revive all those he killed when he attacked Konoha. So, the possibility of him reviving Itachi no longer works. As it does not with Chiyo.

But, there is a point I want to make. Itachi appearing in chapter 477 might not have been under Sasuke's own free will. Remember, as Madara said earlier, Itachi implanted all of Sasuke's eye techniques into him, so maybe the result of using Amaterasu, or even the sight of one of Danzo's Sharingans, would cause Itachi to appear, as sort of a fail-safe Madara mentioned in chapter 397.

Nagato only died using Rinne Tensei becase he had almost no chakra left from using Chibaku Tensei

 

[Blizzard589]

Nagato only died using Rinne Tensei becase he had almost no chakra left from using Chibaku Tensei

Agreed. No one ever said Nagato could only use it once. In fact, Madara stated that Nagato was supposed to use Rinne Tensei for him and I don't think Nagato planned to die for Madara. Pain blew away all his chakra on moves like that Chou Shinra Tensei and the Chibaku Tensei. So he died because he ran out of chakra just like Kakashi died.

But that doesn't really affect his point that Itachi couldn't be brought back to life. Pain was on his way to Konoha when Itachi died I think. The thing everyone is saying though is that Itachi used some new technique that we've never seen or heard of.

 

[Rukia Hime]

Agreed. No one ever said Nagato could only use it once. In fact, Madara stated that Nagato was supposed to use Rinne Tensei for him and I don't think Nagato planned to die for Madara. Pain blew away all his chakra on moves like that Chou Shinra Tensei and the Chibaku Tensei. So he died because he ran out of chakra just like Kakashi died.

But that doesn't really affect his point that Itachi couldn't be brought back to life. Pain was on his way to Konoha when Itachi died I think. The thing everyone is saying though is that Itachi used some new technique that we've never seen or heard of.

Itachi is an excellent Fuuin master, just like Minato. He prove that by sealing Tensha Fuuin inside Sasuke (the failsafe Amaterasu that attacked Madara) and by sealing someting inside Naruto.
Going by this logic, it isn't too far-fetched at all that Itachi could've split his soul and seal it inside Sasuke and Naruto.
After all, he was Madara's apprentice who most likely has done the same with Obito's body.

People go by Zetsu's statement who said that Itachi should've been way stroger than shown in his battle with Sasuke. Or, according to SleepyFans: "That definitely wasn't Itachi's true power."
Kept in context, it could very well mean that Itachi was hiding something. Not a weapon, but another ability. And what would fit better than another Fuuin-Jutsu, or to be more accurate, Izanagi? ^_^​

 

[JohnnyGo]

Take chapter 401, page 15 from onemanga: "he had to fight you...and die before your eyes."

Chapter 462, page 8: "that's the truth about Itachi. He died for Sasuke, and for Konoha."

Chapter 396, page 7: "but for now, we need to get Itachi's corpse, and leave immediately."

The first quote you got, it just states that Itachi's objective was to die in front of sasuke's eyes, and as such it could really not be real death.
Only the second statement seems to affirm that itachi is dead, but madara was talking to naruto, so he could be lying for his own purposes.
As for the third statement, he could want the corpse so that there would be no way that someone got his dna or something, as he did not want another itachi roaming around xd. Also, he could want the corpse to try and definitly kill itachi, as he wouldn't know itachi had been able to develop another technique.

 

[John Constantine]

The first quote you got, it just states that Itachi's objective was to die in front of sasuke's eyes, and as such it could really not be real death.
Only the second statement seems to affirm that itachi is dead, but madara was talking to naruto, so he could be lying for his own purposes.
As for the third statement, he could want the corpse so that there would be no way that someone got his dna or something, as he did not want another itachi roaming around xd. Also, he could want the corpse to try and definitly kill itachi, as he wouldn't know itachi had been able to develop another technique.

Or he wanted his corpse for pure entertainment and necrophilia..​

 

[Tifa]

Or he wanted his corpse for pure entertainment and necrophilia..​

xd Lolz.

 

[Rukia Hime]

Or he wanted his corpse for pure entertainment and necrophilia..​

Greatest troll ever xd

Madara is sick-minded lol

 

[John Constantine]

Greatest troll ever xd

Madara is sick-minded lol

I'm far from a troll,miss..
I just like to crack some jokes sometimes.. This forum is way too serious sometimes..
I have a 4-Chan background but i try not too "joke" so much here...​

 

[JohnnyGo]

I'm far from a troll,miss..
I just like to crack some jokes sometimes.. This forum is way too serious sometimes..
I have a 4-Chan background but i try not too "joke" so much here...​

Well, maybe madara is a sick man xd that's why he wanted itachi's corpse. Or there's another face of his we haven't seen

 

[Rukia Hime]

I'm far from a troll,miss..
I just like to crack some jokes sometimes.. This forum is way too serious sometimes..
I have a 4-Chan background but i try not too "joke" so much here...​

4chan?
LOL, me too XD But I'm rarely on 4chan.. ^_^

And Madara is a sick mind. It's 100% proven and canon xd

 

[toad sage-hristo]

i dont know f his has been mentioned before and its probably a long shot but it sounds like a cool idea to me. remember when itachi gave naruto a ''gift'' way back you know the crow thing that flew into his mouth.

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well what if it was some weird jutsu the burried some of itachis life force inside naruto or somthin that would be awakened after itachi's death if naruto found out that sasuke had went to madaras side then like a clone or spirit of itachi would be born and would go and confront sasuke and madara, but it just so happened that itachi appereard as sasuke was fighting danzo because it might explain naruto's collapse in the last chapter.

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i know it sounds really far fetched but it sounds really cool
let me know your thoughts

 

[Rukia Hime]

i dont know f his has been mentioned before and its probably a long shot but it sounds like a cool idea to me. remember when itachi gave naruto a ''gift'' way back you know the crow thing that flew into his mouth.

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well what if it was some weird jutsu the burried some of itachis life force inside naruto or somthin that would be awakened after itachi's death if naruto found out that sasuke had went to madaras side then like a clone or spirit of itachi would be born and would go and confront sasuke and madara, but it just so happened that itachi appereard as sasuke was fighting danzo because it might explain naruto's collapse in the last chapter.

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i know it sounds really far fetched but it sounds really cool
let me know your thoughts

Hmm.. I posted a similar theory. Only difference that Itachi transferred his soul to both Naruto and Sasuke O_O;;
Anyways, cool theory XD

 

[Toad Sage]

I know that this is crazy but what if it is part of Danzo's genjutsu? He could make Sasuke believe that Itachi is back and then attack him from behind or something? I would rather that happen than Itachi's return. Although it would be interesting to see Madara(Tobi) vs Itachi.​

 

[Rukia Hime]

I know that this is crazy but what if it is part of Danzo's genjutsu? He could make Sasuke believe that Itachi is back and then attack him from behind or something? I would rather that happen than Itachi's return. Although it would be interesting to see Madara(Tobi) vs Itachi.​

No, that's the most unlikely out of the unlikely things O_O;;
Danzou scared at his own Genjutsu WTF..
Madara vs Itachi would be an epic fight >.<

 

[Toad Sage]

No, that's the most unlikely out of the unlikely things O_O;;
Danzou scared at his own Genjutsu WTF..
Madara vs Itachi would be an epic fight >.<

But it could all be in Sasukes head. Sasuke actually thinks he has Danzo beat (due to Itachi) and then BAM, Danzo does something big.​

 

[Rukia Hime]

But it could all be in Sasukes head. Sasuke actually thinks he has Danzo beat (due to Itachi) and then BAM, Danzo does something big.​

Actually, that would be too much of troll XD

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Agreed. No one ever said Nagato could only use it once. In fact, Madara stated that Nagato was supposed to use Rinne Tensei for him and I don't think Nagato planned to die for Madara. Pain blew away all his chakra on moves like that Chou Shinra Tensei and the Chibaku Tensei. So he died because he ran out of chakra just like Kakashi died.

But that doesn't really affect his point that Itachi couldn't be brought back to life. Pain was on his way to Konoha when Itachi died I think. The thing everyone is saying though is that Itachi used some new technique that we've never seen or heard of.

Yes, you're right, sorry for the error. The way I took it, Nagato using that jutsu at any time would cause his chakra supply to completely deplete, thus leading to his death.

However, Pain began his trip to Konoha in chapter 407, which was after Itachi died in chapter 393, so you made a small error as well. But in the end, we both corrected each other's mistake.

 

[HAH]

Itachi actually put a part of him into Sasuke so yea he is alive a part of him is alive :sasuke:

 

[oozaru]

hi everyone!
here are some ideas why itachi is alive other than suske's genjutsu:
1. sharingan's most basic ability is to copy jutsu so suske and itachi most likely know how to use orochimaru's body swamp. it wasn't blood restricted technique after all so itachi could implant himself into suske after cleaning out orochimaru.
2. jutsu that 4th used to meet with naruto could have been written in the scroll that naruto used in first chapter to learn kage bushin. it contained jutsu 4th used to figth nine tail fox and was availabe for itachi as he was high ranked anbu.
what do you think about this?