[Discussion] Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi

[JojocIaw]

Itachi, Itachi, Itachi....

We all agree he was a great shinobi. Correct? His accomplishments were by far very strategic in nature and best decision he could have made regarding the moments circumstance. His skills as a shinobi are unmatched, although there are exceptions.

Thought Bubble: I believe Itachi developed his patriotism for Konoha form Shisui, as according to the manga he was very loyal and a person of distinguished skill.

However, regarding his failures. Itachi went about the whole thing in a wrong way. He could have used the talk no jutsu to find a common ground between the two, Uchiha & Konoha. I mean that is what Hashirama would do. We cannot blame Itachi for Sasuke's interpretation of the plan organized by the Elders. Itachi was actually very clever on some points but to some extent, like someone mentioned earlier, how can you NOT expect for a human being, especially one as young as Sasuke, to grow up with issues like abandonment & family homicide. It's ridiculous.

But props to OP for such a brave venture into people's emotions regarding Itachi. Although it makes me sad that most of the people here have no imagination. I know Itachi is badass but sheesh, open your mind a little and consider the possibilities.

 

[Zawar]

when a person stand on two boats
he has to fall
same with Itachi

 

[Revan]

@siyo
I share your opinion. itachi is like the worst loving brother in existence. and the fact that he didnt kill sasuke and through that risked the peace that he killed his family for makes him a bad shinobi by his own definition.

but surprisingly you are flamed by people who cant read more than one line every half an hour and for whom every doubt of itachi is equal to commit a sacrilege. I'd recommend ignoring them.

when a person stand on two boats
he has to fall
same with Itachi

yes, pretty nicely said. itachi just should have chosen one.

 

[JojocIaw]

@siyo
I share your opinion. itachi is like the worst loving brother in existence. and the fact that he didnt kill sasuke and through that risked the peace that he killed his family for makes him a bad shinobi by his own definition.

but surprisingly you are flamed by people who cant read more than one line every half an hour and for whom every doubt of itachi is equal to commit a sacrilege. I'd recommend ignoring them.

Agree with you on that as well. If people don't have anything constructive, or at least legible, to say then your best bet is ignorance.

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Nice provocative thread Siyo (may have misspelled it). I actually read your post. Some points I agree and some I disagree. I understand what point you are trying to raise. Too bad too sad most just don't get it, which isn't the same thing as getting it. Get it? ;3

 

[BBl]

Your misunderstanding what he's saying. Every single thing, every single action, every single disaster that has happened throughout Sasuke's life that was commited as a result of his revenge, anger and hate was because of Itachi. So I agree he failed as a brother IN THIS WAY ( remember that ). However the ends justify the means, you have to look at the bigger picture and imagine the burned Itachi had went through from murdering his clan to protect konoha. I think the fact that he kept sasuke alive makes him a good brother, however i think he could have went about it diffently. Maybe have hid Sasuke from the clan and could have kept the truth from him. Somehow keeping sasuke away from hatred and allowing him to live a normal life as a ninja and as a part of team 7. In this way I think Itachi failed as a brother.

 

[MarBellarke]

didnt even read it.

since almost everyone here know itachi is a great ninja and brother

I didn't even read it either....

I use to hate Itachi, but after learning the rationale for him eliminating the entire Uchiha clan... I now praise him, ITACHI, as a hero of THE LEAF!!!

 

[JojocIaw]

LOL

Was is it people and not reading? :shrug:

 

[tsunademan]

itachi might be a failure as a big bro for not telling him nothing about the situation

 

[Dacron]

Alright coming in a bit late to the argument here but I have a few key points I want to jump in on.

First: He is no where near a failure.
Reason: Itachi was given a mission that could only be whole heartedly be completed by someone with a sociopaths mindset. Kill your entire family, kill all your friends, neighbors and anyone else of the same decent. Thats like you being told your bloodline is going to take up arms at the next family reunion and the country you trust/love telling you to kill everyone at your next family reunion! GOOD LUCK! The fact that he managed to only let one person survive is a feat all its own. He did what he was told to a 99% effective measure, he could of skipped past sasuke, he could of killed the elders, he could of changed it but years of being a prodigy and being brainwashed does bad things to you. It's one thing as posted earlier to watch your clan be killed at the age of 8, its another to have to kill so many at Itachi's age.

Second: To the minor debate of what if the Uchiha clan took over the village.
Answer: Well say hi to Madara's dreams and wishes and goodbye to the world.

Quick bit of my own opinion, each and every person has the ability to make their own choices and walk their own path. Kishi actually portrays this through numerous examples. Naruto with hand extended betrays the village to become noticed. Iruka saves him and sways him into becoming a different person. Lets take Gaara he changed on his own and his story is as bad if not worse then Sasuke's.

Itachi's and Sasuke's personallities are totally different. Itachi is intelligent, he's calm. Each action is thought out ahead. He tries to not use malice in his intent. Sasuke is sadistic, grandiose, and narcissistic. Itachi's friend knew he was going to die and colaberated with him. Sasuke is willing to sacrifice his friends with no pause to the effect. Who's really the failure in this family?

Itachi did what he had to do and did it well under the circumstances at hand. Siyo, you stated that your portraying what Kishi himself laid out on the table, why is it your vision of Itachi is so terrible but the majority of everyone else's vision isn't?

Oh btw Siyo, not wanting to instigate an argument between us, +rep for having the balls to post something that is going to be attacked with ignorance and fight me and sticking through it without turning into a giant battlesphere of death, you are a stronger man then I.

 

[JojocIaw]

Itachi did what he had to do and did it well under the circumstances at hand. Siyo, you stated that your portraying ]what Kishi himself laid out on the table, why is it your vision of Itachi is so terrible but the majority of everyone else's vision isn't?

He is offering a different insight into Itachi's character. Of course, that requires people to use their imagination which I see there is a lack of in this thread. Although not a failure as a shinobi, his people skills are indeed questionable.

 

[satori]

I´m just going to point out some things here for those that easly judge Itachi as a failure. First, he was more of a parent to Sasuke then his father and mother. Sasuke´s dad was interested in taking over the leaf and the mom would probably just go along with the fathers plans. Manga shows Itachi taking care of Sasuke since Sasuke was a kid and he also was the one who trained him the most. Second, he did what he did to stop an unneccesary bloodbath in the village, a burden that no other ninja has been shown to take. Third, he wanted Sasuke to kill him, give him his power and return as a hero to the village with the Uchiha´s name intact because he knew how loyal Sasuke was of his clan and proud. About him being a failure because of the pain he caused Sasuke and all that s¨¨ come on, he became a rogue-nin. If he showed Sasuke the love he had for him in the way that would make you smile there would be no point in anything. He would have died with his brother trying to take over the village. Danzou, madara, both stated that Sasuke was worth more then village in Itachis eyes. How would you react if you were made to choose between two things that you love but the amount of one was greater then the other? Kill one to save many or let that one be more then the world. I think I stated how unreliable your opinions of Itachi being a failure are.

 

[Dacron]

He is offering a different insight into Itachi's character. Of course, that requires people to use their imagination which I see there is a lack of in this thread. Although not a failure as a shinobi, his people skills are indeed questionable.

Anyone who can force themselves to kill almost everyone in their own bloodline is going to have their people skills all fubar'd. I'm not going to disagree with you most of this article is writted with extreme blind prejudice.

 

[JojocIaw]

I wonder which parts Itachi actually planned versus which he didn't foresee.

Anyone who can force themselves to kill almost everyone in their own bloodline is going to have their people skills all fubar'd.

Were they asleep when he killed them? Because last I remember it was at night when Sasuke found most of them dead.

 

[Moment4Life]

Itachi is not even a failure!
He, as a child, experienced war and feared that there would be another if he didn't obey the elders. He is a hero because of that. If Itachi didn't obey the elders, the Leaf Village will most likely dead. Whether he obeyed the elders or not, his family and others would likely be dead still.

Sure he could've killed Sasuke so he could have peace, but he didn't want to kill Sasuke beacuse his life meant pretty much more than anything, which is why he didn't want to kill him! Itachi wanted to make Sasuke stronger and have Sasuke kill him later. Also he WANTED Sasuke to become a hero and purify (or whatever) the Uchiha Clan, but that didn't happen. He also didn't want Sasuke to experience of war. Itachi wanted Sasuke to become stronger so he could kill him and look like a hero, which is why he mocked him. At the same time he was trying to protect sasuke, which is the main reason why he returned to the Leaf Village in the first series. Itachi wanted wo warn Danzo and the others that he was still alive and that if they hurt Sasuke, he'll spill secrets of the Leaf to other villages. That's why Sasuke was still alive. If Itachi never warned the elders, they would have killed Sasuke after Itachi left.

Itachi didn't want to tell Sasuke about the massacre beause then he'll get revenge on the Leaf, so he kept it a secret so it'll look like Itachi was the bad guy. Yes, Itachi did know that Madara would tell Sasuke after Itachi's death, which is why Itachi gave Sasuke his powers hoping that he would never meet Madara and be told about the massacre and then want more revenge. He wanted Sasuke to go back to the Leaf Village after he killed him. And what else did you think that Itachi could've gave Sasuke??? A force field that protect him from Madara??? Pssh! That's the way Kishi (or however you spell his name) wanted the series to go. If Sasuke didn't meet Madara then there would never be a war (maybe.. maybe not depends), killing of Danzo, Itachi's eyes getting transplanted, etc. If Sasuke didn't meet Madara then there probably wouldn't be much left to the series. And if you remember, Itachi said that the crow would respond to his sharingan and he probably had no idea about Kabuto reviving him and the rest!

If I were you I'd read the manga again. If it wasn't for Itachi; the Leaf Village would have died due to the Uchihas killing them (since the Uchiha was a strong clan with they're Sharingan and such they could easily kill them) so there would be no Naruto since it takes place in the Leaf Village; Sasuke wouldn't have made his decisions about revenge the same; Sasuke would've most likely died if Itachi didn't warn the elders before he left and if Sasuke dies Naruto wouldn't have a rivial and wouldn't have to go after Sasuke, which means no show! Again, Itachi is NOT a failure as a brother and shinobi!!!

 

[Uchiha seeker]

Itachi was a good brother........ lol thts all im saying. there i obviously proof in this thread why he is.

 

[JojocIaw]

Itachi as a Shinobi = Hero

Itachi as a brother = Questionable at best but mission accomplished at getting Sasuke to view you as a crimminal...well...that was until Sasuke met Madara.

Darn you Madara! D<

 

[Itachi Sacrifice]

Itachi didn't want the Uchiha lineage to finish. That's why he spared Sasuke. The Uchiha would live on. I thought tht was obvious. But some people...smh

 

[raxy]

Itachi hasn't failed......he is still there to knock some sense into sasuke

 

[Exaar]

Let this thread die already U_U

 

[Desan]

What a bunch of crap!