[Discussion] Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi

[PositiveEmotions]

accourding to this people reading it is pointless no offence to u thread creator but itachi was good in his own way the only thing he failed was to make sasuke good again

 

[lubricati0n]

I've never seen so many stupids responds in my life lol. Itachi did fail as a brother and u have to be an idiot to not see that. Ppl say Sasuke was his own man and what itachi ment to do...wft Sasuke was a little boy was witnessed the death of his family/clan by his BROTHER and then was told to get revenge by getting stronger ad killing the one closest to you. Wft kinda brother is that, he messed Sasuke up and should be held responsible for everything.

I think you are totally STOOPID. Did you even read the other responses? People have different opinions. They can believe what they want. You cannot say "Itachi did fail as a brother" wtf does that mean fool. Itachi chose to take on the mission, though he didn't kill Sasuke. The reason for why he couldn't kill Sasuke is not entirely because he loves him. It was because Sasuke was meant to be seen as the hero after killing Itachi and to restore the Uchihas' name. Sasuke could have disregarded Madara's story but he's STOOPID so he continues to fill himself with HATE.

The reason for why Itachi chose to wipe out the Uchiha is because he himself ALSO witnessed war and death.

 

[sameer1]

Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi (not talking about intelligence or abilities)

This whole mess started with Itachi not fully committing to a mission he took upon himself, sure the elders gave him the orders, but it was his decision to obey or not.

He ended up doing a half job which resulted in ruining Sasuke’s life. Sasuke would have found peace if his life ended the night of the massacre, because then he wouldn’t have carried the extreme amount of hate he has now. You might say he couldn’t make himself kill his beloved little brother, which might have had some merit if he didn’t just murder his entire clan, his mother and father included. Itachi was willing to kill for his ideology and leaders, so him not completing the task was selfish and it obviously came back to haunt him and the entire shinobi alliance.

The remainings of itachi’s life was focused on redeeming himself, by making sure Sasuke was strong enough to not only kill him, but also move on with his life after carrying such a big burden. Itachi’s methods were also questionable here´, because he actually made sasuke more miserable by constantly mocking and humiliate him just so Sasuke’s hate could grow(with powers).Very counterproductive, because this also removed Sasuke from the love and appreciation he received from the village, and more importantly Team 7.

The only one who could/would tell Sasuke about the massacre was madara. Itachi knew that, but obviously he couldn’t take down madara, so he decided to keep an eye on him and keep him in check, which at best was a temporarely solution .When he died, his worst nightmare happened and sasuke got picked up by madara, and itachi’s desperate attempt at stopping madara(the strongest uchiha in history)with sasuke’s eyes failed yet again.I don’t think itachi thought this long, but rather put the ameterasu as an extra guarantee otherwise he would’ve thought of something better.

Finally, the last chance to help/manipulate sasuke into joining the good side failed with shisui’s eye getting exposed used against a zombie version of itachi. This was his last resort, and sasuke’s destiny is for always out of itachi’s hands, hence the failure as not just a shinobi but a brother.He now has to rely on other folks to do what he himself couldn’t. Action speaks louder than words, and itachi’s good intentions doesn’t change the events which occured.

who ever think what is Itachi but he is a hero behind the shadow and did his job. I don't blame him if he didn't do that then other would did then perhaps war begin in the leaf or wrost would happen.As elder brother he loved his brother and he knew that Sasuke would fight for leaf but that didn't go that way as he wished due to Madara.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Itachi is the greatest brother alive(or dead).

 

[siyo]

accourding to this people reading it is pointless no offence to u thread creator but itachi was good in his own way the only thing he failed was to make sasuke good again

offense taken make up your mind did itachi suceed in his own ways or did he fail?

Itachi is the greatest brother alive(or dead).

could you explain this?

 

[PositiveEmotions]

offense taken make up your mind did itachi suceed in his own ways or did he fail?




could you explain this?

i never said he succeeded it n he failed to protect sasuke

 

[Avani]

Well.. Itachi's last fail safe is still there- Naruto. As long as Naruto succeeds in fixing Madara and Sasuke, Itachi didn't fail even if he made a few mis calculations.

His crow proved useful even if he had to use it against himself. It may not be his original plan but it was a good thing. Minato wouldn't have thought exactly when Naruto would need him to stop Kyuubi either. One can only think of probable scenario- no one can predict excatly- not even the old toad who talked about prophecy.

He could not take down Madara he knew that. he could only keep an eye on him and akatsuki and delay it- he did so as long as he could within his limits. He went as far as he could when asked to wipe out his clan. Give the guy some break.

You have all this time to analyse his character since his death. Yet you chose this moment when he is just brought back for a brief time - Since we waited this long- I guess we can wait some more till we see the end result of his actions.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Well.. Itachi's last fail safe is still there- Naruto. As long as Naruto succeeds in fixing Madara and Sasuke, Itachi didn't fail even if he made a few mis calculations.

His crow proved useful even if he had to use it against himself. It may not be his original plan but it was a good thing. Minato wouldn't have thought exactly when Naruto would need him to stop Kyuubi either. One can only think of probable scenario- no one can predict excatly- not even the old toad who talked about prophecy.

He could not take down Madara he knew that. he could only keep an eye on him and akatsuki and delay it- he did so as long as he could within his limits. He went as far as he could when asked to wipe out his clan. Give the guy some break.

You have all this time to analyse his character since his death. Yet you chose this moment when he is just brought back for a brief time - Since we waited this long- I guess we can wait some more till we see the end result of his actions.

yes dude i agree

 

[siyo]

i never said he succeeded it n he failed to protect sasuke

ok

Well.. Itachi's last fail safe is still there- Naruto. As long as Naruto succeeds in fixing Madara and Sasuke, Itachi didn't fail even if he made a few mis calculations.

His crow proved useful even if he had to use it against himself. It may not be his original plan but it was a good thing. Minato wouldn't have thought exactly when Naruto would need him to stop Kyuubi either. One can only think of probable scenario- no one can predict excatly- not even the old toad who talked about prophecy.

He could not take down Madara he knew that. he could only keep an eye on him and akatsuki and delay it- he did so as long as he could within his limits. He went as far as he could when asked to wipe out his clan. Give the guy some break.

You have all this time to analyse his character since his death. Yet you chose this moment when he is just brought back for a brief time - Since we waited this long- I guess we can wait some more till we see the end result of his actions.

was that a subtle stinger? Tons of itachi threads this week, because it is very current and a hot topic(action-reaction you know the drill).Why? because he showed up in the manga again, so it is an appropiate time to discuss his character.


Anyways nothing to really argue about other than naruto having anything to do with itachi.Entirely different entity, and yes naruto is carrying itachi's hope and dreams on his shoulders but it is completely out of itachi's hands.That ship sailed when the crow backfired......

 

[Avani]

Anyways nothing to really argue about other than naruto having anything to do with itachi.Entirely different entity, and yes naruto is carrying itachi's hope and dreams on his shoulders but it is completely out of itachi's hands.That ship sailed when the crow backfired......

I would call it backfired only if it had had the opposite effect of what it was inteded for. The shinobi alliance and Naruto and hence Konoha was in trouble. It did save Konoha and Naruto at the moment.

Whether it can be used to save Sasuke now or not remains to be seen as Kishi left a way out by intorducing exception of Hashirama DNA thing. One of the reason he added that Shisui's MS can't be used for another 10 years, was to tell us why Itachi didn't use himself for Sasuke or Madara at the time or maybe why Kabuto or any random person won't be able to use it that easily.

Let's face it- these things make the characters realistic. They have weaknesses no matter how much over powered they are. They make mistakes despite being geniuses. They do need help and have to rely on others at times and place their hopes in others.

They try their best, they win some battles and lose some. In the end good guys and ideals are supposed to win, so that hopes and faith of readers is also sustained.

When analysing any character one has to look at it from both sides.

 

[siyo]

the thing is it was intended for naruto to use shisui's genjutsu against sasuke,so it did backfire.Only way it can be used again is by waiting 10 more years or by naruto having harishima's dna, which is a long shot at best.It's much more likely that naruto and sasuke will fight to the death, and kishi just made sure sasuke wouldn't lose to a lame gimmick.

Of course nothing is for certain so we can only talk about the presence.

 

[lubricati0n]

You posted 6 times the same response

 

[siyo]

You posted 6 times the same response

yeah ,something wrong with site.The delete button is not working but i reported the problem

 

[Avani]

At the time of Massacre he couldn't have predicted that he would get ill and be dying sooner than later. He did look out for someone else whom he could hand over Shisui's Sharingan and pass on the will of fire and this special power.

He wished best for Sasuke and his clan's honour but respected Shisui's last wishes enough to find out someone else to posses his power. He didn't pass that to Sasuke despite all that love.

For the rest our POV doesn't match. I don't think that in such a exteme situation Shisui's MS should have been saved for Sasuke. IN fact I expected Naruto to use it and predicted that if Itachi and Naruto have to face each other in the war the gift would activate before time.

If we must argue to argue over assumptions (since the rest of the story is still untold) then there is no end to it.

I'm out.

 

[Eco24]

Itachi should of either killed his whole clan or none of them. Since he didnt kill Sasuke, The Leaf village didnt trust itachi and itachi left. I agree with you.

 

[lubricati0n]

are you asking for an infraction

Are you stoopid?

yeah ,something wrong with site.The delete button is not working but i reported the problem

 

[arnierulezz]

Itachi should of either killed his whole clan or none of them. Since he didnt kill Sasuke, The Leaf village didnt trust itachi and itachi left. I agree with you.

yeah go ahead, kill your entire family and after all that look you brother in the eyes and kill him cold-heartedly.

only reason he left sasuke alive is that sasuke didn't know of the coup the uchiha clan planned and itachi didn't want to kill his (innocent) little brother for no reason
that's why itachi sacrificed everything for sasuke

 

[kadowade]

Itachi fought sasuke and died cuz Sasuke could be seen a The Uchiha Avenger, like a Legend. (A Kid that killed the person, who Slaughtered their clan) And he wanted to make sasuke strong too. and get rid of That curse mark sasuke had. And he sealed orochimaru away, So that helped a lot of people. Now orochimaru wont be going around terroizing people, And stealing bodies, And giving people Curse marks And shit.

 

[marvinkid]

Believe it or not itachi is one of the best characters in the anime
Beside what he did was something not anyone would agree to do
So he IS a great HERO

 

[Itachi Forever]

First, I'm a very serious Itachi fan. Second, He did fail, but he tried. Third, I think it is time to end the legacy of Itachi. Itachi is awesome, but it's his time.