It really is ridiculous...

[JIRAIYA perv]

that's what i have been saying for a long time.

naruto and sasuke mainly are close to surpass (if not already) all of the hokage's, sannin's (already did) and all of the legendary shinobi's in NV at the age of 16 ..................................... it's ridiculous how they can surpass what took these legends a life time of work to gain this power/skill/experience, in ONE chapter (it doesn't matter how hard they work, training for a year shouldn't help them reach what other legends reached coz that is ridiculous).

i mean since kishi was copying DBZ in a lot of things then why didn't he make naruto and sasuke's training LONGER (at the beginning of Shipuden), then have them come back as ADULTS/grown elite shinobi's that trained hard to get to where they are.

this power development is seriously painful to watch U_U

 

[oShux]

I'm just going to address the bold since i agree with the other stuff anyway.


What you're forgetting is that from the start shippuden sakura had almost no more time for training. She was constantly chasing after sasuke. The only time she could have possibly gotten would be... pfft... Around immortal duo arc... maybe. After that, she chased after sasuke, then pain struck, then tsunade went comatose, then war. Sakura started shippuuden on the same footing as naruto, low jounin. Both their sannin training stopped, and the only other training naruto got was from kakashi to just learn rasenshuriken. After that, he never had a tutor again, except that few weeks or so he had to learn SM to fight pain. Sasuke is just another case... He's getting faster, stronger, better at taijutsu. He's had 0 time for training and near 0 rest from the time he killed oro.

You don't need a tutor to train yourself look at Rock Lee. Sasuke might've sparred with suigetsu?

 

[AGoodBoy]

I just love how you compare them to gods like Madara and call them trash. They were geniuses of their own time Kakashi,Zabuza,Madara,Itachi, etc grew up during eras of wars they had to be strong. This is the first war the new generation has been in and look at how strong they've gotten compared to how weak they were when things got peaceful?

And you're saying how tf did they get so strong as if Kishi didn't explain things already. They all trained under the legendary saanin. Idk about Sakura but I expected Sasuke and Naruto to be strong.

Naruto-

Spoiler

Jiraiya was the master of some of the most powerful shinobi's in the fcking world(Minato,Nagato) idk what you were expecting IN FACT I expected Naruto to be stronger than he was in the beginning of shippuden. And then Naruto trained in sage mode(The dude has crazy potential even more potential than sasuke) and even though he had the kyuubi as a setback he still surpassed Jiraiyas Sage mode. Just like how he and Sasuke struggled the same amount with climbing trees even though Naruto had more of a setback than Sasuke did. Naruto had struggled for a good reason because of kurama Sasuke struggled simply because he sucked. And I don't need to explain the rest of his power ups.

Sasuke-

Spoiler

He's an Uchiha, they're the elite. And it was referenced many times in the old show that Sasuke always had more potential than Itachi. We always knew Sasuke was going to be strong enough to kill Itachi. I mean come on do you know how already OP the base sharingan is? It's able to copy techniques,movement patterns,see your chakra flow, and read your movements, that plus enton,amaterasu, and susano'o? If it weren't for killer bee's crazy speed(I rhymed xD) Sasuke would've solo'd him. The dude was able to develop his own jutsu(kirin) if Sasuke wanted to he probably would've destroyed more than 70% of the leaf village with it. Or am I exaggerating? And to add onto his already OP arsenal the dude got EMS. And IMO I forgot where I read it but most people don't believe that EMS comes with a 3rd ability but it was stated(I think in the Itachi vs Sasuke fight) that in some rare cases some Uchiha's have shown a 3rd ability. We've all seen how Sasuke is surprised at Naruto's growth maybe he's going to use it?

Sakura- Eh to be honest. I've got nothing her mode that she got off of Tsunade was an ass pull if you ask me. "Training 3 years for this my ass" You're telling me she couldn't have used it when not only hers but granny Chiyo's life was in danger at the hands of Sasori? Or she couldn't use it when Pain was destroying her village in front of her? And she just let Naruto do it alone and not try to help? Even Hinata had more guts to help than she did. I call bull shit Kishi bull shit.

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You don't need a tutor to train yourself look at Rock Lee. Sasuke might've sparred with suigetsu?

Don't be ridiculous lmfao. Sasuke can restrain and stomp suigetsu 0 diff. You get no experience from training on someone who's fodder to you.
In any case, sasuke didn't have much opportunity to train.
-Killed oro
-Looked for taka
-Killed deid
-In recovery and looking for itachi
-Killed itachi
-Was in recovery by tobi
-Thrusted into fighting killer bee
-in recovery
-thrusted into fighting gokage
-In recovery for 10 minutes
-thrusted into fighting danzo
-in recovery for 5 seconds
-thrusted into fighting Team 7
-Blind.
-Transplanted eyes and into recovery
-out with EMS doing what he been doing.

 

[oShux]

Ok, let me take a different approach.
Hiruzen? Trained under a hokage(tobirama)
Sannins? Trained under a hokage(Hiruzen)
Minato? Trained under a sannin(jiraiya)
Kakashi? Trained under a hokage(Minato) and had a sharingan since about 11
Gaara? Was trained by a kazekage(his dad) and had near perfect control over his bijuu from chunnin times
Itachi? Got some training from obito who trained under madara
Danzo? Trained under a god damn hokage. Stole the first hokage's cells. Had 11 sharingan. Still shat on by MS sasuke.
Anko? Had a cursed seal and trained under Oro

I'm not just talking about K11. It's a bit clear why naruto and sasuke are a bit better than them, more than Sakura, but I'm also talking about every other ninja who had the same, if not better opportunities than them. To make it even worse, those other ninja most likely hadd far more time to train than Team 7 did, because they are faarrrrrrr older and have all seen war. Naruto is literally about #4 right now, under obito, hashi and edo madara, while sasuke is about 6 or 7.

Even if you trained under a hokage that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be powerful it all depends on the student progression not the teacher only. Sasuke and Naruto trained under Kakashi and Lee trained under guy(who is always 2nd to Kakashi or extremely close to kakashi) and Lee fodderized both of them in the same day during part 1 going by your logic Lee should've had a harm time in fact he should've lost since he fought two of them in the same day. Gaara never had "near perfect control" over his bijuu. The thing is Shukaku protected him always Gaara wasn't manipulating Shukaku, he did that of his own free will. If he had near perfect control Shukaku wouldn't have gotten loose.

that's what i have been saying for a long time.

naruto and sasuke mainly are close to surpass (if not already) all of the hokage's, sannin's (already did) and all of the legendary shinobi's in NV at the age of 16 ..................................... it's ridiculous how they can surpass what took these legends a life time of work to gain this power/skill/experience, in ONE chapter.

i mean since kishi was copying DBZ in a lot of things then why didn't he make naruto and sasuke's training LONGER (at the beginning of Shipuden), then have them come back as ADULTS/grown elite shinobi's that trained hard to get to where they are.

this power development is seriously painful to watch U_U

New generation always surpasses the old. And you guys need to stop complaining and just enjoy the damn story.

 

[Lucidus]

Ok, let me take a different approach.
Hiruzen? Trained under a hokage(tobirama)
Sannins? Trained under a hokage(Hiruzen)
Minato? Trained under a sannin(jiraiya)
Kakashi? Trained under a hokage(Minato) and had a sharingan since about 11
Gaara? Was trained by a kazekage(his dad) and had near perfect control over his bijuu from chunnin times
Itachi? Got some training from obito who trained under madara
Danzo? Trained under a god damn hokage. Stole the first hokage's cells. Had 11 sharingan. Still shat on by MS sasuke.
Anko? Had a cursed seal and trained under Oro
EDIT: Nagato, and Konan!!!! Nagato Trained under the same jiraiya for probably far longer, during a time of war AND had a rinnegan and uzumaki DNA! He's more gifted than those 3 combined, yet he's now almost nothing compared to them. A 30+ year old hard back with rinnegan, and uzumaki DNA. Rofl.
I can Even toss In Akatsuki such as deid(trained under Onoki), etc etc. I can go on and on.

I'm not just talking about K11. It's a bit clear why naruto and sasuke are a bit better than them, more than Sakura, but I'm also talking about every other ninja who had the same, if not better opportunities than them. To make it even worse, those other ninja most likely hadd far more time to train than Team 7 did, because they are faarrrrrrr older and have all seen war. Naruto is literally about #4 right now, under obito, hashi and edo madara, while sasuke is about 6 or 7.

there is a difference to how they trained... hiruzen was trained by tobirama along with 2 other people... so again he might not have had the amount of training he could have..

oh god i cba but i could go on and on...

u think just because they all got trained by someoen at some point that they were training 24/7 .. no..

sasuke and naruto had no mission and nothing like that to do... for 3 years straight all they had to do was train.. and they got the training all to themselves...

unlike others who were part of a team

another think itachi didnt get any training from obito from what i have read...

also yes obito was sort of trained by madara.. but not a lot since he didnt have a lot of time left..

also i will use the war of the previous gens as an example.. they didnt have time to train as much .. they had things they needed to do.. they had to fight a war.. if aything they got more expereience from that and they got there power that way... but they never had the time to train in anything such as sage mode or in sasukes case itachi never obtained EMS like him..

its really not that hard to understand..

i will admit that there speed of obtaining such power is a bit OTT but its not surprising

another thing... sasuke would have been beat by danzo if not for tobi... so his power wasnt all that great...

ur right that after orochimaru sasuke got no training.. but tbh he didnt need it... his eyes progressed which made his power progress.. he then got stronger through learning control which he got from using his ms/ems abilities so much

 

[AGoodBoy]

Even if you trained under a hokage that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be powerful it all depends on the student progression not the teacher only. Sasuke and Naruto trained under Kakashi and Lee trained under guy(who is always 2nd to Kakashi or extremely close to kakashi) and Lee fodderized both of them in the same day during part 1 going by your logic Lee should've had a harm time in fact he should've lost since he fought two of them in the same day. Gaara never had "near perfect control" over his bijuu. The thing is Shukaku protected him always Gaara wasn't manipulating Shukaku, he did that of his own free will. If he had near perfect control Shukaku wouldn't have gotten loose.

Umm.... bruh... Guy was second in competitions like Rock paper scissors and stuff. Even guy himself said he surpassed kakashi which is most likely true if you exclude the sharingan. Even with sharingan it can go either way, unless you really think (without kamui ass-pull) kakashi has a legit defence against a guy who can open 6th gate, use 7th gate, use morning tiger, and still be in 7th gate ready to fight?

Lol, gaara has near perfect control. Shukaku got loose when he was like a 6 year old kid... during chunnin exams, gaara could do partial transformations at will and full transformations. Shukaku only got out when he wanted it to( forced sleep)

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

New generation always surpasses the old. And you guys need to stop complaining and just enjoy the damn story.

new generations surpasses the old but not with so little training for two/three years to surpass the legends at the age of 16, that is called a RIDICULOUS development (specially when the writer repeats how the hero is not that bright).

anyways i AM enjoying the story (it's all i have got out of this, wouldn't have watched/read it for so long if i wasn't enjoying the story).
and there are many other series's where this kind of crazy development exist BUT, it always has a better explanation to why the hero reached this power in a short time.

you are right about one thing this is indeed a good story but, when it comes to the power scales/character development/technicalities, it's a mess ............... a colossal mess.

 

[AGoodBoy]

there is a difference to how they trained... hiruzen was trained by tobirama along with 2 other people... so again he might not have had the amount of training he could have..

oh god i cba but i could go on and on...

u think just because they all got trained by someoen at some point that they were training 24/7 .. no..

sasuke and naruto had no mission and nothing like that to do... for 3 years straight all they had to do was train.. and they got the training all to themselves...

unlike others who were part of a team

another think itachi didnt get any training from obito from what i have read...

also yes obito was sort of trained by madara.. but not a lot since he didnt have a lot of time left..

also i will use the war of the previous gens as an example.. they didnt have time to train as much .. they had things they needed to do.. they had to fight a war.. if aything they got more expereience from that and they got there power that way... but they never had the time to train in anything such as sage mode or in sasukes case itachi never obtained EMS like him..

its really not that hard to understand..

i will admit that there speed of obtaining such power is a bit OTT but its not surprising

All i'd like to point out is that the only thing naruto learnt from jiraiya was a rasengan and some chakra control. Maybe a little better taijutsu. Naruto was actually on par with sakura by the time he came back after 3 years, that's pitiful progression. Unlike minato who had something like a years or what ever to learn rasengan and teach it to Jiraiya. Jiraiya spent years searching for myokubuzan, and spent years training there for his SM and what not, but naruto pops in for a week or 2 and just perfects it. Naruto literally went to Myo just before pain came to destroy LEaf. Naruto barely had time in myo.

In Sakura's Case. Tsunade had yearrrssssss of war and fighting countless enemy to hone her skill, but sakura parred it in 2 years. Tsunade is 50+ been in war against people like hanzo from 20s or 30s. Sakura parred her in 2 years? That's essentially like Tsunade attained a black belt in 30 years, and you came in and got the same degree black belt in 2.

In sasuke's Case. Sasuke wasn't a prodigy like Itachi and Madara. Nor am i even referring much to the EMS part when I compare him to itachi. Itachi is far smarter, and all around more skilled than sasuke at his age,, and still had many more years to train. Sasuke just pulls out an MS and could pretty much par itachi at that point. Even 3 tomoe sasuke could par itachi with MS restricted. It doesn't even matter that sasuke got trained by a sannin. Itachi mastered his sharingan at 8, became anbu at something like 13 (that's more training to acheive that) and now had 10+ years of more training and fights under his belt. In 2 years sasuke went from

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? Because of a sannin who's inferior to itachi? lol? ... Itachi wasn't sleeping all his life. He was a genius who also trained hard, and was good enough to shit on Uchiha police. 2 years under a grand master won't just make you beat up a hard working genius just like that.

 

[Lucidus]

All i'd like to point out is that the only thing naruto learnt from jiraiya was a rasengan and some chakra control. Maybe a little better taijutsu. Naruto was actually on par with sakura by the time he came back after 3 years, that's pitiful progression. Unlike minato who had something like a years or what ever to learn rasengan and teach it to Jiraiya. Jiraiya spent years searching for myokubuzan, and spent years training there for his SM and what not, but naruto pops in for a week or 2 and just perfects it. Naruto literally went to Myo just before pain came to destroy LEaf. Naruto barely had time in myo.

In Sakura's Case. Tsunade had yearrrssssss of war and fighting countless enemy to hone her skill, but sakura parred it in 2 years. Tsunade is 50+ been in war against people like hanzo from 20s or 30s. Sakura parred her in 2 years? That's essentially like Tsunade attained a black belt in 30 years, and you came in and got the same degree black belt in 2.

In sasuke's Case. Sasuke wasn't a prodigy like Itachi and Madara. Nor am i even referring much to the EMS part when I compare him to itachi. Itachi is far smarter, and all around more skilled than sasuke at his age,, and still had many more years to train. Sasuke just pulls out an MS and could pretty much par itachi at that point. Even 3 tomoe sasuke could par itachi with MS restricted. It doesn't even matter that sasuke got trained by a sannin. Itachi mastered his sharingan at 8, became anbu at something like 13 (that's more training to acheive that) and now had 10+ years of more training and fights under his belt. In 2 years sasuke went from

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? Because of a sannin who's inferior to itachi? lol? ... Itachi wasn't sleeping all his life. He was a genius who also trained hard, and was good enough to shit on Uchiha police. 2 years under a grand master won't just make you beat up a hard working genius just like that.

jiraiya used kuchiyose jutsu without having a summoning contract and he found myobokuzan that way.. he didnt spend time looking for it at all... along side his training with hiruzen he trained with the toads aswell...

yes naruto was not the best but he learnt how to use his clones better aswell as learnt a couple of other things .. however u forget that another reason naruto progressed with such speed is thanks to his clones... naruto learnt rasengan so fast because he essentially cheated... he used clones where as minato didnt and its clearly harder to use it without clones.. if u recall naruto trying to use rasengan after kakashi showed him and naruto still couldnt perform it then 1 handed...

naruto used his clone to cut his training time.. this is why his training is so fast..

also with sasuke and itachi.. do not forget itachi was ill and pretty much on the verge of death as he fought sasuke.. so its not that sasuke's power increased so much its that itachi's had dropped...

also yes training with someone like orochimaru who has a ton of jutsu's under his belt does make a massive difference... u can be the strongest in the world but teaching it to someone else is difference.. so orochimaru being weaker than itachi means nothing..

also even ms sasuke wasnt at itachi level.. his control was worse and he used it recklessly.. but he learnt from his constant use how to use ms ...

 

[oShux]

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Don't be ridiculous lmfao. Sasuke can restrain and stomp suigetsu 0 diff. You get no experience from training on someone who's fodder to you.
In any case, sasuke didn't have much opportunity to train.
-Killed oro
-Looked for taka
-Killed deid
-In recovery and looking for itachi
-Killed itachi
-Was in recovery by tobi
-Thrusted into fighting killer bee
-in recovery
-thrusted into fighting gokage
-In recovery for 10 minutes
-thrusted into fighting danzo
-in recovery for 5 seconds
-thrusted into fighting Team 7
-Blind.
-Transplanted eyes and into recovery
-out with EMS doing what he been doing.

Wdf? You just listed all of his training don't you think all those would've made him more experienced in battle? You just solo'd your own thread. His character development battle wise was shown. After he killed Itachi he was getting straight fodderized cause he stopped using his head. The he started using his head again added on to his abilities.

 

[oShux]

there is a difference to how they trained... hiruzen was trained by tobirama along with 2 other people... so again he might not have had the amount of training he could have..

oh god i cba but i could go on and on...

u think just because they all got trained by someoen at some point that they were training 24/7 .. no..

sasuke and naruto had no mission and nothing like that to do... for 3 years straight all they had to do was train.. and they got the training all to themselves...

unlike others who were part of a team

another think itachi didnt get any training from obito from what i have read...

also yes obito was sort of trained by madara.. but not a lot since he didnt have a lot of time left..

also i will use the war of the previous gens as an example.. they didnt have time to train as much .. they had things they needed to do.. they had to fight a war.. if aything they got more expereience from that and they got there power that way... but they never had the time to train in anything such as sage mode or in sasukes case itachi never obtained EMS like him..

its really not that hard to understand..

i will admit that there speed of obtaining such power is a bit OTT but its not surprising

another thing... sasuke would have been beat by danzo if not for tobi... so his power wasnt all that great...

ur right that after orochimaru sasuke got no training.. but tbh he didnt need it... his eyes progressed which made his power progress.. he then got stronger through learning control which he got from using his ms/ems abilities so much

Kirikoe, you have ascended beyond all members I salute you :scorps:

 

[oShux]

new generations surpasses the old but not with so little training for two/three years to surpass the legends at the age of 16, that is called a RIDICULOUS development (specially when the writer repeats how the hero is not that bright).

anyways i AM enjoying the story (it's all i have got out of this, wouldn't have watched/read it for so long if i wasn't enjoying the story).
and there are many other series's where this kind of crazy development exist BUT, it always has a better explanation to why the hero reached this power in a short time.

you are right about one thing this is indeed a good story but, when it comes to the power scales/character development/technicalities, it's a mess ............... a colossal mess.

Read Kirikoe's post.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Naruto was already past EMS before the current chapter I think he's the strongest right now other than Obito

 

[Lucidus]

Kirikoe, you have ascended beyond all members I salute you :scorps:

:scorps:

you are my brother in arms :scorps:

 

[Cosman]

What purpose would there be in a story if the progression was minimal? Obviously there is going to be disparity. The second the series started, we get a hint to the kyuubi's power. Being able to split mountains and cause disasters and so on.

We all knew we were going to get here... I don't really want to watch ninjas that stay in the same power sphere forever.

And please keep in mind, the MS was introduced in part 1. We had endless black flames and time disparity genjutsu introduced in part 1. Sasuke was going to get that power and Naruto was going to get the kyuubi power. Those two power sources were established as being god-tier themselves.

The rest is plot, but hey it's a story. Naruto and Sausage were always gonna be this strong. I knew it, and it's shocking so many others didn't realize that.

 

[oShux]

All i'd like to point out is that the only thing naruto learnt from jiraiya was a rasengan and some chakra control. Maybe a little better taijutsu. Naruto was actually on par with sakura by the time he came back after 3 years, that's pitiful progression. Unlike minato who had something like a years or what ever to learn rasengan and teach it to Jiraiya. Jiraiya spent years searching for myokubuzan, and spent years training there for his SM and what not, but naruto pops in for a week or 2 and just perfects it. Naruto literally went to Myo just before pain came to destroy LEaf. Naruto barely had time in myo.

In Sakura's Case. Tsunade had yearrrssssss of war and fighting countless enemy to hone her skill, but sakura parred it in 2 years. Tsunade is 50+ been in war against people like hanzo from 20s or 30s. Sakura parred her in 2 years? That's essentially like Tsunade attained a black belt in 30 years, and you came in and got the same degree black belt in 2.

In sasuke's Case. Sasuke wasn't a prodigy like Itachi and Madara. Nor am i even referring much to the EMS part when I compare him to itachi. Itachi is far smarter, and all around more skilled than sasuke at his age,, and still had many more years to train. Sasuke just pulls out an MS and could pretty much par itachi at that point. Even 3 tomoe sasuke could par itachi with MS restricted. It doesn't even matter that sasuke got trained by a sannin. Itachi mastered his sharingan at 8, became anbu at something like 13 (that's more training to acheive that) and now had 10+ years of more training and fights under his belt. In 2 years sasuke went from

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? Because of a sannin who's inferior to itachi? lol? ... Itachi wasn't sleeping all his life. He was a genius who also trained hard, and was good enough to shit on Uchiha police. 2 years under a grand master won't just make you beat up a hard working genius just like that.

Naruto was way above Sakura df are you talking about??

Sakura didn't parr shit even current Sakura gets fodderized by Tsunade.

Sasuke wasn't a prodigy like Itachi and MADARA. A dude who grew up during an era of wars come on man you can't compare those two. And believe me it was stated multiple times that Sasuke had more potential than Itachi did. Orochimaru stated it, His father hinted it when Sasuke did the fireball technique, and after Sasuke got EMS? It was over. Sasuke might've surpassed him with MS if he used his head more and stopped spamming. And honestly Sasuke didn'tpar Itachi that's just dumb fanboy logic. He could've but he didn't Susano'o vs Susano'o? Sasuke had no chance Yata mirror blocks all attacks. So a susano'o battle would be nothing but a waste of chakra. And even if Sasuke could par Itachi, so what? Did you forget Itachi has low ass stamina and had a incurable disease? It was 3 years and as strong as Sasuke got he was far inferior to Itachi only reason why he stood remotly of a chance is because of not even Itachi's stamina but his disease and because Sasuke had kirin.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Read Kirikoe's post.

as if i didn't know about his training with the clones ............................ :erm: if this is a good explanation to you then fine BUT, this is not only lame/an ass pull to me (as if not single character thought of it before) it is also not enough for him to surpass the legends at the age of 16.

"clones" really kishi ........................... are you kidding me :yeah:

the only reason naruto/sasuke got stronger than the rest (from all the people who had a shringan and the other legends who worked a life time to reach their level) is simple, it's because they are called naruto and sasuke (kishi's magical pen).

 

[oShux]

He left cause he know Kirikoe solo'd his thread :scorps:

 

[oShux]

as if i didn't know about his training with the clones ............................ :erm: if this is a good explanation to you then fine BUT, this is not only lame/an ass pull to me (as if not single character thought of it before) it is also not enough for him to surpass the legends at the age of 16.

"clones" really kishi ........................... are you kidding me :yeah:

What legends did he surpass please list them. And you forget that Naruto has kurama which gives him a shit load of chakra.

 

[Lucidus]

as if i didn't know about his training with the clones ............................ :erm: if this is a good explanation to you then fine BUT, this is not only lame/an ass pull to me (as if not single character thought of it before) it is also not enough for him to surpass the legends at the age of 16.

"clones" really kishi ........................... are you kidding me :yeah:

the difference is that the legends dont have kurama...

... and an asspull is somethign that just come out of knowhere... where as naruto and sasukes power has been shown all throughout the manga..

another thing... of course other characters had probally thought of using clones.. the only difference is like kakashi had already stated is that they might not have had the chakra pool that naruto has to train in such a way...