"It does not count as your power if you die as a result".

[Touken]

I'm so glad you made this thread. Lemme add the fact that in high diff scenarios, most peeps would succumb to their wounds after the battle; no one factors in what happens after a winner has been decided. For example, Sasuke beat Itachi, but he would have died if it weren't for Obito and Zetsu [

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[paratise]

I'm so glad you made this thread. Lemme add the fact that in high diff scenarios, most peeps would succumb to their wounds after the battle; no one factors in what happens after a winner has been decided. For example, Sasuke beat Itachi, but he would have died if it weren't for Obito and Zetsu [

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That too. Many rough battles taxes chakra and stamina and winners don't have medics at their side to guarantee their life.

 

[Flawž]

Yeah they do Lol
That's what i am saying. Maybe he can "draw" with Itachi if they battle but when Gai or Itachi encounters an opponent like Hashirama or Nagato above both of them...Gai can take the enemy with himself while Itachi get stomped and can't do anything.

Let me guess? Uchiha Fapboys? Lol

@bold - I like that example. Itachi wont be able to do anything regarding a top tier shinobi while Gai can actually defeat 'said' opponent and die after.

 

[paratise]

Let me guess? Uchiha Fapboys? Lol

@bold - I like that example. Itachi wont be able to do anything regarding a top tier shinobi while Gai can actually defeat 'said' opponent and die after.

Almost all damage control threads/posts are coming from Uchiha fanboys, i wonder why

 

[Beans2]

That wasn't a very good analogy, since 3rd raikage beats Nagato

 

[paratise]

That wasn't a very good analogy, since 3rd raikage beats Nagato

Whatever floats your boat mate...
Place the 3rd with a ninja who can't beat Nagato, but can beat Gai wo last gate and lose to Gai with 8th gate.

 

[Beans2]

^^^yeah, i agree with your overall point though

 

[Dantee]

^^^yeah, i agree with your overall point though

Sorry what is his point.

 

[Beans2]

Sorry what is his point.

Read the first post...

 

[Flawž]

Almost all damage control threads/posts are coming from Uchiha fanboys, i wonder why

I too also wonder. Could it be that Uchihas tend to attract uneducated grade schoolers?

 

[Dantee]

Read the first post...

I still don't see the point of this thread.

 

[~Sky~]

lol at 3rd Raikage beating Nagato.

 

[paratise]

I too also wonder. Could it be that Uchihas tend to attract uneducated grade schoolers?

Shhh you are not understanding the complexity and depth of "those with blessed eyes".
Or how they one-shot your favo with Ameterasu or Tsukiyomi No diff.

lol at 3rd Raikage beating Nagato.

Oh well, each for their own.

 

[KingHashirama]

No one uses the logic.

People use the logic that you can't be top 10 if you only gain a top 10 power for 3 minutes and then die right after that. He won't use it unless he wants to die.. Its just like commiting suicide any other way.


People seem to think that Gai will be the winner of the fight is he unleashes 8th gate.. but is that really the case? At best it would be a draw. So in the end, Gai is still at the same level he was at with 7 gates..

3rd Raikage > Nagato..

EDIT: Maybe some people do use it.

 

[paratise]

Yet KH did not get my point and responding with arguements i already adressed.

He is not the same level as 7th gate.
For ex. Itachi beats Gai who is not opening last gate, but with 8th gate they die and draw. That does not make them on par as result.

But if they were to fight a ninja out of their leagues for ex. Nagato; Itachi can't win even if it costs his life and Nagato remains alive. İf Gai fights Nagato, they both die.

The point is Gai has something in his arsenal that can make him take out an opponent even the ones above him can not.

 

[Dantee]

Yet KH did not get my point and responding with arguements i already adressed.

He is not the same level as 7th gate.
For ex. Itachi beats Gai who is not opening last gate, but with 8th gate they die and draw. That does not make them on par as result.

But if they were to fight a ninja out of their leagues for ex. Nagato; Itachi can't win even if it costs his life and Nagato remains alive. İf Gai fights Nagato, they both die.

The point is Gai has something in his arsenal that can make him take out an opponent even the ones above him can not.

Does it even make sense to put Gai on a top 10 if he has to commit suicide to take on all 10?

 

[Mad Daz]

It all depends on the situation at hand. Most hypothetical battles tht place on NB are just random 1v1s with nothing to save. In those situations i believe the best a death technique can get you is a draw

 

[Conspirator.]

Of course it's his power-however the point I disagreee with everyone is when they make those threads "8 gate gai beats X". The reason being I consider that when someone uses a suicide move to kill their opponent-it's a draw. But it's now extremely hard to rank him numerically, as like you said he now has the potential to wipe out opponents stronger than he is(minus the 8th gate) with the 8th gate, at the cost of his life. So yes.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yet KH did not get my point and responding with arguements i already adressed.

He is not the same level as 7th gate.
For ex. Itachi beats Gai who is not opening last gate, but with 8th gate they die and draw. That does not make them on par as result.

But if they were to fight a ninja out of their leagues for ex. Nagato; Itachi can't win even if it costs his life and Nagato remains alive. İf Gai fights Nagato, they both die.

The point is Gai has something in his arsenal that can make him take out an opponent even the ones above him can not.

And you didn't get my point that i tried to counter your example in the OP with mate.


And fights aren't as simple as you are making them ought to be. Because for all we know Gai could be killed the instant he turned into the 8th gate via shinra tensei by surprise or the black rods. WHile, Itachi takes out Nagato via Totsuka.

Fights =/= power.

I perfectly understand what you are trying to say, but it is nothing more than the concept of RDS. You give your life to make sure the opponent gets stopped.

Its the same as taking steroids, you might gain more power than me for a moment, but did you truly become stronger than me?


Also prime example of what i mean is this:

If you are truly stronger than someone else, than you should have the capability to beat them in a non-death match.

 

[~Sky~]

Nagato > 3rd Raikage, lel.