"It does not count as your power if you die as a result".

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Let me tell you why this logic does not blatantly apply.

As starters, Kishi does not have top 10, 20 or tier lists. He does not put characters in a line with a certain logic of who has more power. Every battle depend on a scenarior author have choosen. So "X is not top 10" is like saying "8 is not the best color". Stuffing a character in a bracket that can not exist in author's universe is not a definete result.

Second, a person can die as a result but can gain a power beyond comprehension of many others. In 1 vs 1 scenario; it is a "draw" by "versus" logic. NV is not vs section.

For example lets take look at 3rd raikage vs Gai, without last gate Gai loses to raikage, with it he wins, but they both die.
then look at Nagato vs 3rd raikage; Nagato would have a win yet raikage has nothing to stop Nagato, even if wants to give his life. Gai would lose his life, but he can take down Nagato.

As a result; Gai can end Nagato if that's his purpose, but 3rd raikage can't. Guess what; they both die in the end but atleast Gai is taking dwon the enemy.

Why did i give this example?

Because as i said NV is not a vs section. Same logic can be reversed to other characters with no over powered techs and say "they can't do anything when they die". Being able to get immense power even at the cost of one's can still fulfill purposes the many many others can't.

Beside, everybody dies in the end and most shinobi are all about putting their lives in the line. Getting overpowered and dying later is better than just dying.
 

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I think sacrificing one's life to defeat a strong enemy who threatens something one cares for is a clear cut victory.

The 8th Gate is Gai's power, and it was explicitly stated in the manga that victory means protecting something one cares for.

The versus section and NDS has gotten quite annoying about this lately.
 

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I object to it being on top lists, but sure.
 

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you mean it does not count as a win


it does not count as a win it is ether a tie or a loss
 
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I don't really see peoples problem with it, that's the nature of the technique -doesn't make it any less valid. To use Gai's example what if it was a battle to protect someone? Regardless if gai died after gates he still wins because he defeated the other person and protected the person he cared about.

I didn't see anyone complaining when itachi used susanoo and it killed him.....
 

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Don't need to read the bulk to agree. It is his power. But telling me he's on such and such ninja's level by having to tap into the 8th gate an die isn't working for him.

Theoretically just because he knows it though would put him power wise above some. Downside of the 8th gate is he can't troll NV by going around soloing.
 

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If gai wants to kill Someone , He wont use 8th gate ,

but If he wants to protect someone , He will put his life in front line , and using 8th gate
,.... basing on their Motive their chance of wining change ... look at Naruto : If weren't Hinata ,Naruto would have lost against Pein, but When he saw hinata dying , he got a stronger motive why to kill Pei
 

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I haven't considered Gai to be any stronger after the latest chapters(vs section wise).

some match ups in that section is either Gai losing or he brings it to a draw. As -Earth- said above protecting your loved oes is victory at the end of the day and Madara will die losing everything like a true loser while Gai dies a winner for eternity.
 

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Eh Too confusing , but the same thing can be said with Reaper seal or C0 for that matter :/
 

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Ah so the Gai haters are trying to restrict Gai from his 8th gate eh? Lol

It doesn't matter that he dies after, what matters is that he was able to take down the opponent with his own powers. Him dying in the end cannot be helped.
 

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gai cant beat 3 raikage without 8th gate??
explain now!
 

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Orochimaru = Minato = Hiruzen > Everyone in the verse who can't switch bodies and repair the damage done by RDS. u_u
 

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So you're basically sayin Minato solos?
 

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I think sacrificing one's life to defeat a strong enemy who threatens something one cares for is a clear cut victory.

The 8th Gate is Gai's power, and it was explicitly stated in the manga that victory means protecting something one cares for.

The versus section and NDS has gotten quite annoying about this lately.
Damage control everywhere...
I object to it being on top lists, but sure.
I object the logic of "top list" to begin with.
Kishi does not have one and power can be subjective depending on scenario.

you mean it does not count as a win


it does not count as a win it is ether a tie or a loss

Win or loss was not even my point.
I don't really see peoples problem with it, that's the nature of the technique -doesn't make it any less valid. To use Gai's example what if it was a battle to protect someone? Regardless if gai died after gates he still wins because he defeated the other person and protected the person he cared about.

I didn't see anyone complaining when itachi used susanoo and it killed him.....
Exactly.


Eh Too confusing , but the same thing can be said with Reaper seal or C0 for that matter :/
Depending on scenario; yes.


Ah so the Gai haters are trying to restrict Gai from his 8th gate eh? Lol

It doesn't matter that he dies after, what matters is that he was able to take down the opponent with his own powers. Him dying in the end cannot be helped.

Yeah they do Lol
That's what i am saying. Maybe he can "draw" with Itachi if they battle but when Gai or Itachi encounters an opponent like Hashirama or Nagato above both of them...Gai can take the enemy with himself while Itachi get stomped and can't do anything.
gai cant beat 3 raikage without 8th gate??
explain now!
Raikage is too much of a tank mate...
 

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It's most certainly the user's power but it doesn't count as a win when it's successfully executed, it counts as a stalemate, much in the same fashion as Shiki Fuujin.
 
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