Isshin Kurosaki uses getsuga tenshou.!
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If you youtube Ichigo vs grimmjow round 1 or fight one where they are fighting in kakaro town? at night after he fires one getsuga tenshou Ichigo says black getsuga tenshou was originally his technique - He being Hollow ichigo.
heelixx989
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thats a slightly irrelevant statement being that ichigo wasnt/isnt an official shinigami and none of the official seated members of the 13 protection squads have interacted with him besides aizen who defected thus he could care less for the rules and laws of the soul society, ALSO it may just have been left out
but durring the turn back the pendulum arc there was no mention or signings of isshin, so it is very possible that (like urahara) he was athere way b4 aizen was ever a part of this equation and "officially" left b4 he entered the picture not to say that they never encountered eachother between the pendulum and now
also for the comment about the movies having nothing to do with the main story, some times (while the universe is different) they make movies to set the stage to show that things are possible or CAN happen, so while the story behind the diamond dust rebellion may be irrelevant the events are not. That movies purpose was to display to the public that it IS infact possible for 2 ppl to wield the same zanpakuto
and that whole "forced to fight to the death" thing, they cant force 2 ppl to fight that they cant find and, one of which for the most part they dont kno anything about, and the other they are pretty sure is dead or somthing so it wouldnt really matter. Also this particular battle seems a bit serious for old man yama to be a bitch about the rules and laws in the midst of a war, it would be a bit stupid for him to wake up out of a knock out and say "HEY U 2 HAVE THE SAME ZANPAKUTO STOP THE WAR U 2 GOTTA FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO WIELD IT!" >_> i would commit terrorist acts on shonen jump for doing somthing that stupid >_>
but i just think zangetsu isnt his (ichigos) hes just borrowing it =p
I don't quite understand the Zanpaktou arc ( Don't really watch arcs only bits) but are the shinigamis able to use their shikai abilities while the zanpaktou is not there? If not then Ichigo uses getsuga there but it's white which could be as someone stated a family skill but I thought the zanpaktou skills are linked to the zanpaktou individually so unless they have the same souls right?
Also hollow ichigo is stated to being another soul that resides in ichigo so if that soul is another soul then how is he able to use getsuga?
Also hollow ichigo is stated to being another soul that resides in ichigo so if that soul is another soul then how is he able to use getsuga?
you don't get it, it is impossible for two shinigami to have the same zanpakutou because the zanpakutou's come from the users souls.
movies and fillers have nothing to do with the manga, most of the time the manga author is only used as reference for the story and how the characters talk because he knows them best but the story is done by other people.
plus the most likely explanation is that families have the ability to have similar zanpakutou abilities, however unless we see that Ginrei Kuchiki has similar abilties to Byakuya it will be hard to confirm
Ichigo is a Vizard which means he went through a process of hollofication, which means he has shinigami abilities and hollow powers. Hollow Ichigo is just another version of Ichigo's split soul
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Sage Zangetsu
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I think the most likely answer is some sort of copying abillity.
My friend suggested ichigo being some kind of clone of isshin,
so they have the same soul and therefore the same zanpaktou
but I reaaaaallyy doubt that :/
My friend suggested ichigo being some kind of clone of isshin,
so they have the same soul and therefore the same zanpaktou
but I reaaaaallyy doubt that :/
'-Hellknight-'
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:flaw:
:flaw:dude are you serious do you know whats your saying. it doesn't make sense ichigo a clone of isshin.....
go to sleep
Sage Zangetsu
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sigh.. let me say it again since you don't bother reading what i said carefully,:flaw:
dude are you serious do you know whats your saying. it doesn't make sense ichigo a clone of isshin.....
go to sleep
I said MY FRIEND suggested it, and I really doubt it (as in I dont think that's possible),
No it isn't
Movies and filler arcs have nothing and absolutely nothing to do with the manga. If you say otherwise, you're naive and shouldn't even be discussing here and that's a fact. It isn't possible to have 2 people the same Zanpaktou and Rag already has proven that. If you think it's wrong, you don't know anything about Bleach.
If you're talking about the swordfiends-arc where the zanpaktou spirits got materialized, that was a filler-arc which has nothing to do with the manga. Also Hichigo is special, he doesn't even know himself what he is, however it isn't another soul. He's a part of Ichigo, but Ichigo is in control atm and Hichigo wants to take control. He wants to swap places.
Why would he copy Getsuga then? He could copy a lot more dangerious stuff than that and WTH clone
, now that's a load of crap.
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as a result from nearly becoming a hollow while having his Shinigami powers restored Ichigo's inner hollow was born so even tho ichigo, isshin, and hollow ichigo can use getusga tensho's they all differ in color, and damage from what we all no while zangetsu its in normal constant shikai from ichigo's getusga tensho is blue and resembles a cresent moon but while in banki its color changes to black with a red outline but ichago has stated that the black getusga tensho was origally hollow ichigos technique but this kncok hollow ichago out of the picture because ichigo has mastered his hollow abilities for the time being, its hard to say whos getusga tensho is stronger because ichigo and isshin have both acheived thier banki but in the anime ichigo's black getsuga tensho has a very wide range so i guess we'll just have to wait and find out who's stronger.
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isshin's getsuga is stronger for sure !!! he's the man who played with aizen like he was nothing before he turned all hogyoku.back to the subject i dont agree with the people who said that ichigo is a clone,ishhin can copy attacks,both of them have zangetsu or that zangetsu is isshin's and ichigo is just borrowing it.
so the only two possible things that i can think of is that getsuga is a skill that runs through the family or that zangetsu has a father and he's isshin's sword(WICH I HIGHLY DOUBT AND IT WOULD BE LAME)
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I completely agree with you that the fillers have nothing do with the manga story line, but what makes you rule out the possibility that two people can have the same zanpaktou. Sure its been said that it comes from the shinigamis soul, but it has never been said (in the manga) that two shinigamis can not have the same zanpaktou. And plus Ichigo is half human so theres that part as well. I personally think that Isshin does NOT have the same zanpaktou but because it has not been mentioned in the manga I cant rule it out.No it isn't
Movies and filler arcs have nothing and absolutely nothing to do with the manga. If you say otherwise, you're naive and shouldn't even be discussing here and that's a fact. It isn't possible to have 2 people the same Zanpaktou and Rag already has proven that. If you think it's wrong, you don't know anything about Bleach.
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Hi, I am new hear, but i am pretty current with bleach.
The only reasonable explaination, maybe this would shed some light on the subject, is that, possibly Isshin was or is a member of the Zero Squard (the Royal Guard).
If i am reading through the manga and other sites correctly, that would put Ishin above Soul Societys laws and the issue of 2 Swords having the same ability. If that would be the case, then he could posses an indetical Zangestu, or another sword that is like Zangestu with similiar abilities.
Along with the other posts, it is possible that families of shinigamis may have the same or similiar techniques. On bleach.wikia.com, Ginrei Kuchiki sword is stated: "The name of Ginrei's Zanpakutō is unknown, but its appearance is greatly similar to Byakuya's Senbonzakura, with a rectangular guard and white hilt.".
So it may not be exactly the same sword, but might be possible the techniques can be simliar. I know the movies don't correctly follow the story lines, but in the Diamond Dust Rebellion, they did prove that 2 exact swords could exist, but they said nothing about two different swords (with two different names) could not pocess the same techniques.
I do agree with another poster however, in that it seems that almost anything can happen.
To better explain my position on why i think Isshin might be part of the Royal Squard (Zero Squard) is when he was fighting the Grand Fisher, Isshin states that all captain-lever shinigami consciously keep their Zanpakuto to a managable size, otherwise everyone would be swinging around swords the size of skyscrapers.
In all the episodes, were other shinigami referred to managing the size of their swords, all were referncing swords closer to Ichigo's sword size in it's shikia state. No captain has ever said that they managed a sword down to a small size from something as big as a sky scraper.
Well, Thursday will be the release of manga episode 406, hopefully we will learn more about Isshin.
The only reasonable explaination, maybe this would shed some light on the subject, is that, possibly Isshin was or is a member of the Zero Squard (the Royal Guard).
If i am reading through the manga and other sites correctly, that would put Ishin above Soul Societys laws and the issue of 2 Swords having the same ability. If that would be the case, then he could posses an indetical Zangestu, or another sword that is like Zangestu with similiar abilities.
Along with the other posts, it is possible that families of shinigamis may have the same or similiar techniques. On bleach.wikia.com, Ginrei Kuchiki sword is stated: "The name of Ginrei's Zanpakutō is unknown, but its appearance is greatly similar to Byakuya's Senbonzakura, with a rectangular guard and white hilt.".
So it may not be exactly the same sword, but might be possible the techniques can be simliar. I know the movies don't correctly follow the story lines, but in the Diamond Dust Rebellion, they did prove that 2 exact swords could exist, but they said nothing about two different swords (with two different names) could not pocess the same techniques.
I do agree with another poster however, in that it seems that almost anything can happen.
To better explain my position on why i think Isshin might be part of the Royal Squard (Zero Squard) is when he was fighting the Grand Fisher, Isshin states that all captain-lever shinigami consciously keep their Zanpakuto to a managable size, otherwise everyone would be swinging around swords the size of skyscrapers.
In all the episodes, were other shinigami referred to managing the size of their swords, all were referncing swords closer to Ichigo's sword size in it's shikia state. No captain has ever said that they managed a sword down to a small size from something as big as a sky scraper.
Well, Thursday will be the release of manga episode 406, hopefully we will learn more about Isshin.