iSpeak the Truth: The true nature of Shimura Danzo. Must read for Danzo fans!

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You didn't read the thread. Otherwise tell me my flaws! Is it because you actually can't find any? Because every point I made is iron clad and backed by proof?

You literally have no idea how much I hate Danzo! It's all justified too.
I did read this thread.

All the points you've raised i've already counters in the other danzo threads, Also The bolded kinda explains it all, It's not worth listening to haters.

Debating with Haters isn't worth the time, Nothing but biased opinions.
 

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I did read this thread.

All the points you've raised i've already counters in the other danzo threads, Also The bolded kinda explains it all, It's not worth listening to haters.

Debating with Haters isn't worth the time, Nothing but biased opinions.


Do you even know the meaning of a "hater"? Lol!

I hate Danzo for what he did to the lives of countless ninja, and for what he really was on the inside while he destroyed their lives!
 

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He was selfish man who wanted power for himself to protect Konoha, but then he realized his whole life was a failure.
Danzo did care for the village he just went about it all wrong.
He only protected and cared for his own ambition! Which was to enforce his own ideal and shun the Will of Fire because he hated the 1st to the 3rd Hokage. And was actually jealous of the 3rd his entire life!
 

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Do you hate Orochimaru?
Hell no! Atleast that dude is honest with himself even though he's super frikking evil. Danzo was delusional for thinking he actually wanted to protect some one other than himself.

The only person I hate in this entire story is Danzo. Kishimoto intended for us to.
 
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Do you even know the meaning of a "hater"? Lol!

I hate Danzo for what he did to the lives of countless ninja, and for what he really was on the inside while he destroyed their lives!
He destoryed nothing.
The shinobi under him knew the risks.

It's like me Blaming Hiruzen for every Leaf shinobi that died during the shinobi Wars, Or blaming Tsunade for every leaf shinobi who died in the current war/Pein arc.
As for fuu and torune, They're his body guards, It's their jobs to lay down their lives for the people they protect.

I wonder how many lives the likes of Kakashi has ruined, All the shinobi he has murdered in cold blood during his life time, Do you hate him also?.
Do you hate tobirama for using Living human sacrifices for Edo tensei (he must of used it atleast once in his life time).
Do you hate Gaara for all the people he has killed?.

The list can go on forever, almost all Shinobi Murder/Lie/Cheat/torture. It's what they're trained for.
 

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Danzo is presented as this weird character who comes off as cynical and evil, but ultimately, he was an anti-hero.

Itachi said that a Shinobi's life is measured not by how they lived it, but how they died. His death was kinda noble.

Also, read this:

Danzō's family name, Shimura, is written with the kanji for will, intention (志) and village (村) and can be interpreted as "I did it for the village," possibly hinting at Danzō's true intentions.
 

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He destoryed nothing.
The shinobi under him knew the risks.
Let's count the number of lives destroyed by Danzo: Yahiko, Nagato, Konan, Kabuto, Sarutobi, Itachi, Sasuke, Shisui, the entire Uchiha clan, countless nameless others in Root. For what? To become Hokage. The decision for having Itachi murder the clan was his own, to amass Sharingan for his Izanagi, you do not know that the clan was really on the verge of attacking the village.
Those shinobi were virtuous, they wanted to serve the village. Danzo used that virtue and made them sacrifice themselves for his own personal profit! While Danzo, the "self sacrificing man", was only missing the "self" part in his own virtue!

It's like me Blaming Hiruzen for every Leaf shinobi that died during the shinobi Wars, Or blaming Tsunade for every leaf shinobi who died in the current war/Pein arc.
As for fuu and torune, They're his body guards, It's their jobs to lay down their lives for the people they protect.

I wonder how many lives the likes of Kakashi has ruined, All the shinobi he has murdered in cold blood during his life time, Do you hate him also?.
Do you hate tobirama for using Living human sacrifices for Edo tensei (he must of used it atleast once in his life time).
Do you hate Gaara for all the people he has killed?.

The list can go on forever, almost all Shinobi Murder/Lie/Cheat/torture. It's what they're trained for.

None of those people did it for their own personal gain! Gaara used to be totally psycho!
Bold is my answer
 

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Danzo is presented as this weird character who comes off as cynical and evil, but ultimately, he was an anti-hero.

Itachi said that a Shinobi's life is measured not by how they lived it, but how they died. His death was kinda noble.
Excuse me...but which death were you referring to out of his 10? Or were you just referring to the last one where he did the walk of cowardice and shame in his own blood? Because all of those seem to say 'He got what he deserved'!
 

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Bold is my answer
I'm Sure hanzo/obito also had a hand in Nagato/konan's life.

Kabuto chose to become a shinobi of his own free will, Danzo did not force him.

Sarutobi?, he did nothing to Sarutobi, Atleast nothing that can be/Has been proven.

Again he didn't force itachi, he gave itachi a choice, Side with his clan, Or side with the leaf.

Sasuke, Again sasuke chose his own dark path based on the path itachi chose, If you're going to blame anyone blame itachi for not finnishing what he started by killing sasuke.

The uchiha clan betrayed the leaf, it was their own fault for wanting Power and putting the village and the fire country at risk, If danzo didn't do what he did, Hiruzen would have done it. Danzo stated hiruzen would of acted if he was forced to. We know it as fact, Itachi spied on the clan and gave the infomation to Hiruzen/Elders/danzo himself. Itachi was most likely the person who brought this plan to their attention in the first place.
Also doesn't obito have most of the uchiha clan's sharingans, If danzo wanted to kill the clan for their eyes he would have hundreds of eyes, not just a few in his arm.

i'll give you the Shisui one, he did fuck him over.

His root shinobi knew the risks, It's their job to protect their leader. Shall i also blame the hokages for every anbu that dies during their time as hokage?.

Also it's ironic that you hate Danzo because he is selfish/Uses people/Thirst for power and so on, and you have an Obito avatar, who is far worse than danzo.
 
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I'm Sure hanzo/obito also had a hand in Nagato/konan's life.
So the whole blame goes to Hanzo and Danzo had nothing to do with it when he was standing there with his guinea pigs?
Kabuto chose to become a shinobi of his own free will, Danzo did not force him.
Yeah but Kabuto didn't choose to kill his own mother and Nonou didn't choose to kill her adopted son.

Sarutobi?, he did nothing to Sarutobi, Atleast nothing that can be/Has been proven.
C'mon, it's obvious, Orochimaru was really Danzos underling even though he was Sarutobis student. Danzo just made that hatred work for himself.

Again he didn't force itachi, he gave itachi a choice, Side with his clan, Or side with the leaf.
Did he have the power to give him that choice behind the Hokages back? No! A bitch move for his own profit like always! Of course Itachi would spare his brother, he did it for his brother! Itachi bought into Danzos lies that Hiruzen wasn't capable of doing anything about the situation! As soon as Sasukes name was mentioned he went for it, because Sasuke was his dear brother who knew nothing of Uchiha vendetta.

Sasuke, Again sasuke chose his own dark path based on the path itachi chose, If you're going to blame anyone blame itachi for not finnishing what he started by killing sasuke.
No I think Danzo ruined his life and made him get on that path, which is why Sasuke had the joy of killing him 10 times over!
The uchiha clan betrayed the leaf, it was their own fault for wanting Power and putting the village and the fire country at risk, If danzo didn't do what he did, Hiruzen would have done it. Danzo stated hiruzen would of acted if he was forced to. We know it as fact, Itachi spied on the clan and gave the infomation to Hiruzen/Elders/danzo himself. Itachi was most likely the person who brought this plan to their attention in the first place.
Also doesn't obito have most of the uchiha clan's sharingans, If danzo wanted to kill the clan for their eyes he would have hundreds of eyes, not just a few in his arm.
Yeah but how do you know Hiruzen didn't have a plan to resolve the situation and Danzo didn't just escalate the fear in itachis mind?
That is why Danzo has less eyes than Obito does, and the reason Obito said he and Danzo hadn't met since the Uchiha incident! You walked into that one bro!


i'll give you the Shisui one, he did fuck him over.
Just like everyone else!
His root shinobi knew the risks, It's their job to protect their leader. Shall i also blame the hokages for every anbu that dies during their time as hokage?.
It's their job to protect the village,and Danzo got in their head with his self sacrificial bullshit and made lambs out of them for his own profit!
Also it's ironic that you hate Danzo because he is selfish/Uses people/Thirst for power and so on, and you have an Obito avatar, who is far worse than danzo.
Oh please, he's my favourite character from the anime because I like his voice actor the most and his personality.
Obviously that's all you really had in this argument. Lol
Bold is my answer
 
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If you think Danzo was some kind of hero or even an anti-hero, this thread will finally open your eyes, read the whole thread, or don't bother arguing, I worked hard to make you people finally see the light.

Only someone who has missed the point of Danzos character can say he wanted to protect the leaf at heart.....cuz that is a sackload of shit....let me tell you why....




What Danzo wanted to protect^ as you can concur from that image, was his own ideal!!

He was against the teachings of Senju Hashirama! The man who started the hidden leaf and protected it with his principles, passing them on to those who loved the village and believed in that principle....The Will of Fire!

All his efforts went towards usurping the Hokage seat, so he could enforce his own ideals and discard the teachings of the man who founded Konoha.

And he couldn't even do it himself! You see, Danzo was a coward! Yes, a useless, spineless coward who used other people to achieve his motives...

He was a preacher of self sacrifice, and yet:

So why couldn't he "say it"?

And moreover....:



.....why did his trembling stop? Why was he relieved that Hiruzen said it?

Because, on the inside, in his true nature, Danzo was truly a coward, a spineless bitch!

He was the glorified preacher of self sacrifice all his life....and yet....the only people who were sacrificed, were the members in his organisation, example: Fuu and Torune.

Danzo never cared for the village!!
"Youre always one step ahead of me Hiruzen" Another one of Danzo's ambitions, was to get on Hiruzens level. Which he obviously couldn't do on his own...so he....

Ripped out Shisuis eye, implanted it in his own head.
Made Orochimaru implant Shodaimes cells in him.
The worst of all....making Itachi destroy his own clan and taking their eyes for Izanagi( A jutsu that lets you cheat death, he knew he would need it because of his own incompetence). Also...Izanagi was set up to be used 10 frikking times! And I also ask you this....did Danzo seem like the type of person who accepted his true self? Cuz only those that cannot, use Izanagi.

You: oh oh but in that last image he also said "for the sake of the village I cannot let you live"! He sacrificed his life...

You are wrong.... ,
You see....even in a room full of Kage, Danzo chose to flee from Sasuke. Later on, Tobi caught up with him, who just wouldn't let him run away. So...Danzo had no choice but to fight, cuz trust me, that coward would have rather fled but he thought he was dealing with Madara, so he knew there was no escape. Hehe

Danzo was a self righteous, self centred, coward of a man, who made the youth give up their lives for him.

The only reason he even stepped out of his underground sewer, was to trick Mifune into choosing him as the supreme leader of the alliance, but the other Kages wouldn't have that, cuz they knew what kind of untrustworthy, garbage he was! They even suspected him of plotting the murder of noble Hiruzen. Which was also probably true...

Last thing you would say: oh oh but he saved Naruto by killing the frog when Pain came, that was a decision befitting a shinobi....
Wrong again:

You see Danzo never protected anything, except himself ofcourse, what he wanted to protect was the tailed beast inside Naruto from Akatsuki, so that he could have it for himself!

You must be almost there where I am for my hatred of Danzo, and this will finally show you that even the writer of the manga gave Danzo what he deserved towards the end of his life:



Painful death! 10 times over! And a walk of shame and cowardice for the redemption of the Uchiha.



So there you have it....

I never put my name in the title, this time I did, so people can know that I am speaking the truth here.
I'm not sure I agree. He was afraid of sacrificing himself as a kid, but I don't think that means he didn't want to protect Konoha. Here's my point, its not that Danzo was a coward it was that he thought everyone else was naive and idealistic. Danzo represents a different philosophy than the rest of Konoha. Danzo believes that the best way to protect Konoha is to get your hands dirty and that the idealism of the "Will of Fire" and Sarutobi would end up dooming the Village.

If you think about it Danzo kind of had good reason to have the philosophy he did. He lived through two ninja wars and through a time when pretty much every village was competing with and backstabbing each other. This is not an atmosphere in which a philosophy of love and peace is very practical. Danzo was a practical type of person who was a hardliner and not afraid to make hard choices. The Uchiha massacre wasn't because of his ambitition to gain sharingan... it was because they were planning a coup and he was prepared to make the hard choice to protect the village. On the other hand he's a very practical type of person so he wasn't just going to let the sharigan go to waste when he can use them to increase the military power of the village.

All in all do I think Danzo was misguided? Definitely. Do I think he was evil? no. Do I think he was a coward? no.

The point of Danzo's character is much more about different world views and integrating them into what matters to you. Danzo and Hiruzen both loved Konoha, but their different personalities and values made them rivals and set them down to different paths. Danzo protected Konoha by trying to replace the values of the 1st, because he was convinced that they would doom Konoha in a world full of betrayal. Hiruzen was the leaves bathing in the sun. Danzo was the roots growing in the darkness. I personally love the balance between Danzo and Hiruzen... Danzo's death scene was pretty good imo.
 

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I'm not sure I agree. He was afraid of sacrificing himself as a kid, but I don't think that means he didn't want to protect Konoha. Here's my point, its not that Danzo was a coward it was that he thought everyone else was naive and idealistic. Danzo represents a different philosophy than the rest of Konoha. Danzo believes that the best way to protect Konoha is to get your hands dirty and that the idealism of the "Will of Fire" and Sarutobi would end up dooming the Village.

If you think about it Danzo kind of had good reason to have the philosophy he did. He lived through two ninja wars and through a time when pretty much every village was competing with and backstabbing each other. This is not an atmosphere in which a philosophy of love and peace is very practical. Danzo was a practical type of person who was a hardliner and not afraid to make hard choices. The Uchiha massacre wasn't because of his ambitition to gain sharingan... it was because they were planning a coup and he was prepared to make the hard choice to protect the village. On the other hand he's a very practical type of person so he wasn't just going to let the sharigan go to waste when he can use them to increase the military power of the village.

All in all do I think Danzo was misguided? Definitely. Do I think he was evil? no. Do I think he was a coward? no.

The point of Danzo's character is much more about different world views and integrating them into what matters to you. Danzo and Hiruzen both loved Konoha, but their different personalities and values made them rivals and set them down to different paths. Danzo protected Konoha by trying to replace the values of the 1st, because he was convinced that they would doom Konoha in a world full of betrayal. Hiruzen was the leaves bathing in the sun. Danzo was the roots growing in the darkness. I personally love the balance between Danzo and Hiruzen... Danzo's death scene was pretty good imo.
Alright...I see your point....I guess! But what of his jealousy with Hiruzen? Don't you think that led him to get on his path only to achieve leadership of Konoha?

And how can you prove to me he wasn't a coward? As I have proved that he is!
 
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Not everyone works in the spotlight. That's what I love about Kishi. Even though like half of the character's are a spinoff of Naruto, he really does try to portray all walks of life and philosophies...
 

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Not everyone works in the spotlight. That's what I love about Kishi. Even though like half of the character's are a spinoff of Naruto, he really does try to portray all walks of life and philosophies...
Actually.....you can sugar coat everything as much as you like but you cannot refute any or all of the points I made in my thread.....so the fact remains.....Danzo was a selfish spineless coward who never cared for the village and only his well being.
 
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