Isn't this the perfect moment for Sasuke to lose his EMS ( Momentarily ) ?

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This is simply a Poor excuse to try to weaken sasuke because naruto fans have been getting the short end of the stick this week.

It would make less than 0 sense for both naruto and sasuke to be handicapped when madara is powering up. Zzz
 

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3T Sharingan and Naruto' SM have the same feats.

Also Sasuke has many techniques ( including a mountain busting one like Kirin ) and summons.

3T Sharingan Sasuke can rival SM Naruto U_U

Kirin takes too much prep time to actually be useful. Naruto's current sage mode is better than current Sasuke with 3T. In terms of summons, Naruto has a better arsenal. Ma and Pa, gamabunta, gamakichi, and gamatatsu. Also those summons that were behind gamabunta when he came back to the leaf.
 
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Kirin takes too much prep time to actually be useful. Naruto's current sage mode is better than current Sasuke with 3T. In terms of summons, Naruto has a better arsenal.

Sasuke has both Hawks and Snakes summons ( each hand has a contract , Jiraiya said that in order to summon you need to use the hand you signed the contract with and Sasuke use the right for Snakes and the left for Hawks )

The Sasuke that fought Ay had a slightly bruised vision ( due to his Ama and Tsuku against Bee ) and now he has Itachi's eyes.
Do i need to tell you how better Itachi's eyes are ?

Kirin that was used against Itachi took 1 Amaterasu and 2 Goryuka , so its not that much prep time.
 

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This is simply a Poor excuse to try to weaken sasuke because naruto fans have been getting the short end of the stick this week.

It would make less than 0 sense for both naruto and sasuke to be handicapped when madara is powering up. Zzz


Well they won't stay like that forever ( they will get a massive power up after that ).
 

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Well they won't stay like that forever ( they will get a massive power up after that ).
Madara's already taking them for a ride.

Madara 1 shotted Hashirama.
Madara 1 shotted 9 tailed beasts at once.
Madara already showed he can 1 shot SM naruto.

The only hope left to draw out some time is EMS sasuke. If sasuke gets bumped back down to 3tomoe and can't even pull out his susano'o, there's no point in kishi writing any more pages because they'd definitely be asspull. Sasuke can't survive long against madara with PS, no way is he surviving with only a 3T.
 

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Sasuke has both Hawks and Snakes summons ( each hand has a contract , Jiraiya said that in order to summon you need to use the hand you signed the contract with and Sasuke use the right for Snakes and the left for Hawks )

The Sasuke that fought Ay had a slightly bruised vision ( due to his Ama and Tsuku against Bee ) and now he has Itachi's eyes.
Do i need to tell you how better Itachi's eyes are ?

Kirin that was used against Itachi took 1 Amaterasu and 2 Goryuka , so its not that much prep time.

In terms of summons, Naruto has a better arsenal. Ma and Pa, gamabunta, gamakichi, and gamatatsu. Also those summons that were behind gamabunta when he came back to the leaf.

3T Sasuke doesn't have Amaterasu and Amaterasu is probably hotter than regular fire justus so it will take longer than when he fought Itachi. This is all given that he's even able to set it up, anyone with half a mind would see what he was attempting. Zetsu figured it out pretty quickly. That and Amaterasu was consistently burning
 
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In terms of summons, Naruto has a better arsenal. Ma and Pa, gamabunta, gamakichi, and gamatatsu. Also those summons that were behind gamabunta when he came back to the leaf.

3T Sasuke doesn't have Amaterasu and Amaterasu is probably hotter than regular fire justus so it will take longer than when he fought Itachi. This is all given that he's even able to set it up, anyone with half a mind would see what he was attempting. Zetsu figured it out pretty quickly. That and Amaterasu was consistently burning

There are a lot of Snakes in the Ryuchi cave like in the mount Myoboku.

Itachi and Black Zetsu ( Madara's will ) two of the most intelligent character in NV only noticed it when they saw the lightning sparks in the sky , in others words after it was prepared.
 

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Madara's already taking them for a ride.

Madara 1 shotted Hashirama.
Madara 1 shotted 9 tailed beasts at once.
Madara already showed he can 1 shot SM naruto.

The only hope left to draw out some time is EMS sasuke. If sasuke gets bumped back down to 3tomoe and can't even pull out his susano'o, there's no point in kishi writing any more pages because they'd definitely be asspull. Sasuke can't survive long against madara with PS, no way is he surviving with only a 3T.

Did Hashirama use Shinsusenju ?
Is he sealed ?

Did Madara face Tobirama , Hiruzen , Minato and Kakashi ?
He only blitzed a standing SM Naruto by plot , seriously they could have raped him at that moment considering SM Naruto's feats and EMS Sasuke's feats.
He was saved by plot.
 

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Did Hashirama use Shinsusenju ?
Is he sealed ?

Did Madara face Tobirama , Hiruzen , Minato and Kakashi ?
He only blitzed a standing SM Naruto by plot , seriously they could have raped him at that moment considering SM Naruto's feats and EMS Sasuke's feats.
He was saved by plot.

Won't bother responding just because of the bold. Tired of that idiotic argument.
 

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There are a lot of Snakes in the Ryuchi cave like in the mount Myoboku.

Sasuke has never been shown to be able to summon any other snakes other than Manda, the hawk, and Aoda

Itachi and Black Zetsu ( Madara's will ) two of the most intelligent character in NV only noticed it when they saw the lightning sparks in the sky , in others words after it was prepared.

That means against Madara it wouldn't be as effective. Against Naruto he would probably already have a clone at him. Less intelligent characters like Kakashi would be able to see it as well
 
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Won't bother responding just because of the bold. Tired of that idiotic argument.

I'm not a Hashi fanboy but that's the truth U_U

Sasuke has never been shown to be able to summon any other snakes other than Manda, the hawk, and Aoda



That means against Madara it wouldn't be as effective. Against Naruto he would probably already have a clone at him. Less intelligent characters like Kakashi would be able to see it as well

We didn't know that Sasuke can summon another snake named Aoda and yet he did , and if he can summon Manda which has the same status and level as Gamabunta then he can summon all other Snakes that are inferior to Manda like Aoda.


You are forgetting that Kirin is a mountain busting technique , it will take out all of Naruto's clones including Naruto himself if he doesn't do something about it ( like attacking Sasuke before he uses it ).

Kakashi isn't as smart as Itachi , the same guy who thought that Sasuke was bluffing when the latter said that he's gonna use his last technique.
 

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We didn't know that Sasuke can summon another snake named Aoda and yet he did , and if he can summon Manda which has the same status and level as Gamabunta then he can summon all other Snakes that are inferior to Manda like Aoda.

Just because he gained another summon after fighting Danzo doesn't mean he can summon all other inferior snakes. Until he does then you can't give him that. Also, Naruto has been shown to be able to summon mutiple Frogs at once. And with all the Summons Naruto has been shown to summon they outclass Sasuke's Hawk and Aoda.

You are forgetting that Kirin is a mountain busting technique , it will take out all of Naruto's clones including Naruto himself if he doesn't do something about it ( like attacking Sasuke before he uses it ).
Sage mode allows you to sense chakra and natural chakra. Lightning is natural so he'll be able to anticipate it and before that Naruto almost always has a clone or two in waiting.

Kakashi isn't as smart as Itachi , the same guy who thought that Sasuke was bluffing when the latter said that he's gonna use his last technique.

Kakashi isn't as smart as itachi but he is smart. He figured out how pain works all by himself and before he knew how he was capable of countering him.

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Kakashi is no slouch in gathering intel and deducing in the middle of fights.
 
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Don't want Sasuke to lose his power
 

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Always like reading good theories=D

To tell you the truth though it's a bit far-fetched. Izanagi supposedly only works for the user himself and it's a complete baseless argument to think that it can work for anyone else, even if they're connected via their chakra. Also, even the explanation you give about disallowing the use of EMS for a specific amount of time is self-contradicted since the EMS is eternal for a reason, otherwise it looses its meaning. Lastly, there is guarantee that Naruto can't survive on his own. He might indeed be half uzumaki but in contrast to her mother, he was a jinchuuriki since the day he was born and therefore he had a much longer time to cover the chakra difference which potentially had for being only half uzumaki.
 

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NO.
izanagi only effects the user.
 

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First of all, You know that I haven't accepted that Kurama has been extracted out of Naruto as easy as that in only one page.

But assuming I accept the extraction and now the problem standing is how Naruto survives after the extraction, and going through your explained ways of how Naruto can be saved, I disagree with all the Sasuke using Izanagi to save Naruto explanation.
Even if Sasuke knows how to use Izanagi, he won't use because he, at this point, got a goal to defeat Madara using his full power. SO he won't do something which will downgrade his own current condition.
Next, Izanagi cannot be used on others but on your self
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SO even if Sasuke puts hand on Naruto, he cannot cast Izanagi on Naruto. Because if that is possible that only means that Kurama has been returned back into Naruto.
Plus you compared that method with Minato's FTG, FYI, FTG is completely different than Izanagi. Minato can use FTG on only himself even if he had a physical contact with others.
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Now, about the EMS not losing eyesight for using the Kinjutsus. Plus you said that the user will lose EMS abilities for say one day. I don't think so. Kishi created those Kinjutsus for a particular reason which we saw at the Danzo battle and ET release. Plus it has been foreshadowed that Sasuke will use one of them in the future. But this cannot be the reason. There will be a reason where his own life will be in danger and he'll use it.
Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan was said to be Eternal because the MS drags the user's eyesight to blindness only because of overuse of Mangekyo techniques and hence the transplanted MS gives you eternal allowance to use your MS techniques. If the EMS user is made to use the Kinjutsus for an unlimited time (excluding your one day restriction) he would be invincible in every means Plus there won't be any need for him go full power all the time against a strong opponent.

Karin is not even an option for saving Naruto even if she can transfer her life force.

I consider Sakura and Tsunade helping Naruto as the best option since they can transfer their life force through Katsuyu or directly. We have seen how Tsunade saved Shikamaru with just a one tap on the forehead.
 

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Just because he gained another summon after fighting Danzo doesn't mean he can summon all other inferior snakes. Until he does then you can't give him that. Also, Naruto has been shown to be able to summon mutiple Frogs at once. And with all the Summons Naruto has been shown to summon they outclass Sasuke's Hawk and Aoda.


Sage mode allows you to sense chakra and natural chakra. Lightning is natural so he'll be able to anticipate it and before that Naruto almost always has a clone or two in waiting.



Kakashi isn't as smart as itachi but he is smart. He figured out how pain works all by himself and before he knew how he was capable of countering him.

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Kakashi is no slouch in gathering intel and deducing in the middle of fights.

No , Naruto hasn't been shown to summon multiple frogs at once , it was Ma who did a reverse summon to summon everyone in the Pain invasion arc.

True but he won't escape lightning speed even with his SM , also Sasuke knows Naruto's fighting style quite well , he won't use it on a clone only and Naruto is a clone spammer , he won't use only 1 , he need to use tons of them to try and fool Sasuke , but even then , Kirin has the potential to take them all out in one strike ( its range is huge ).

Well anyone can deduce that when they are being attracted or repelled , but Kirin is different.




Always like reading good theories=D

To tell you the truth though it's a bit far-fetched. Izanagi supposedly only works for the user himself and it's a complete baseless argument to think that it can work for anyone else, even if they're connected via their chakra. Also, even the explanation you give about disallowing the use of EMS for a specific amount of time is self-contradicted since the EMS is eternal for a reason, otherwise it looses its meaning. Lastly, there is guarantee that Naruto can't survive on his own. He might indeed be half uzumaki but in contrast to her mother, he was a jinchuuriki since the day he was born and therefore he had a much longer time to cover the chakra difference which potentially had for being only half uzumaki.

You're indeed correct , but think about it as a recharge time ( well Kishi has to come up with a lesser restraint if he choose this way ).

Kushina was a Jinchuriki longer than Naruto ( from when she was a kid to Naruto's birth ) , Don't forget that Naruto is just 17.





First of all, You know that I haven't accepted that Kurama has been extracted out of Naruto as easy as that in only one page.

But assuming I accept the extraction and now the problem standing is how Naruto survives after the extraction, and going through your explained ways of how Naruto can be saved, I disagree with all the Sasuke using Izanagi to save Naruto explanation.
Even if Sasuke knows how to use Izanagi, he won't use because he, at this point, got a goal to defeat Madara using his full power. SO he won't do something which will downgrade his own current condition.
Next, Izanagi cannot be used on others but on your self
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SO even if Sasuke puts hand on Naruto, he cannot cast Izanagi on Naruto. Because if that is possible that only means that Kurama has been returned back into Naruto.
Plus you compared that method with Minato's FTG, FYI, FTG is completely different than Izanagi. Minato can use FTG on only himself even if he had a physical contact with others.
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Now, about the EMS not losing eyesight for using the Kinjutsus. Plus you said that the user will lose EMS abilities for say one day. I don't think so. Kishi created those Kinjutsus for a particular reason which we saw at the Danzo battle and ET release. Plus it has been foreshadowed that Sasuke will use one of them in the future. But this cannot be the reason. There will be a reason where his own life will be in danger and he'll use it.
Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan was said to be Eternal because the MS drags the user's eyesight to blindness only because of overuse of Mangekyo techniques and hence the transplanted MS gives you eternal allowance to use your MS techniques. If the EMS user is made to use the Kinjutsus for an unlimited time (excluding your one day restriction) he would be invincible in every means Plus there won't be any need for him go full power all the time against a strong opponent.

Karin is not even an option for saving Naruto even if she can transfer her life force.

I consider Sakura and Tsunade helping Naruto as the best option since they can transfer their life force through Katsuyu or directly. We have seen how Tsunade saved Shikamaru with just a one tap on the forehead.


Sasuke showed that he cares for Naruto ( he saved him with Susanoo from Omyoudon , he shielded him with Susanoo when Obito stuck a Bijuu Dama at Minato and he was willing to save him and Juugo from the 4 Bijuu Dama ).
But you might be right on this point.

Well Kishi is known to alter his own set rules like how to gain MS , you need two MS to use Susanoo etc...
So at this point of time , i won't be surprised if he do it again with Izanagi.

You seem to be misunderstanding of how the jutsu works. Let me explain it to you.

Izanagi makes the wounds look like dream when its activated , however when the jutsu is not as result, the injuries of the latter are real hence why the scratch in Danzo's left arm did not become an illusion when Susanoo scratched him.

Hence why Obito's injuries did not heal even with Izanagi activated although he survived the death from the 6 billion explosive and that was because he activated Izanagi.


Then why he could teleport Naruto and Sasuke countless time in this war ?
Why he could teleport the Kyuubi when he was on top of Gamabunta ?


Can you explain me how Madara did survive against Hashirama ?
Plus i said that if Kishi choose this way , then he has to come up with a lesser restraint otherwise EMS users would be invincible.


It was Naruto and Tsunade who saved Shikamaru ( Naruto activated the Kyuubi cloak on him ).
 

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Madara's already taking them for a ride.

Madara 1 shotted Hashirama.
Madara 1 shotted 9 tailed beasts at once.
Madara already showed he can 1 shot SM naruto.

The only hope left to draw out some time is EMS sasuke. If sasuke gets bumped back down to 3tomoe and can't even pull out his susano'o, there's no point in kishi writing any more pages because they'd definitely be asspull. Sasuke can't survive long against madara with PS, no way is he surviving with only a 3T.
definitely what he said
 

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Sasuke showed that he cares for Naruto ( he saved him with Susanoo from Omyoudon , he shielded him with Susanoo when Obito stuck a Bijuu Dama at Minato and he was willing to save him and Juugo from the 4 Bijuu Dama ).
But you might be right on this point.

Well Kishi is known to alter his own set rules like how to gain MS , you need two MS to use Susanoo etc...
So at this point of time , i won't be surprised if he do it again with Izanagi.
You seem to be misunderstanding of how the jutsu works. Let me explain it to you.

Izanagi makes the wounds look like dream when its activated , however when the jutsu is not as result, the injuries of the latter are real hence why the scratch in Danzo's left arm did not become an illusion when Susanoo scratched him.
Danzo released the Izanagi and hence the scratch remained even after when he activated it back.
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Izanagi redirected Danzo to the point when he got the scratch from the Susano'o. That's what I'm saying, the jutsu only works for the user of Izanagi, and so Sasuke cannot use that Izanagi to save Naruto because Izanagi will only redirect Sasuke to the point where Sasuke activated it. Naruto will remain the same as shown in the current chapter.
Hence why Obito's injuries did not heal even with Izanagi activated although he survived the death from the 6 billion explosive and that was because he activated Izanagi.
Obito, at the start, tried to Kamui the blast and in that process his arm got destroyed. But then afterwards, he used Izanagi and get himself caught into the blast without doing anything. This image,

only proves that Obito used Izanagi at this point of the situation.
Then why he could teleport Naruto and Sasuke countless time in this war ?
Minato teleported Naruto and Sasuke only twice.
One, when Juubito grabbed them both with their faces. Since Naruto made a contact between the two through Kyuubi's chakra, Minato was able to connect his own chakra with the kyuubi's and hence could teleport him.
Two, when the four Juubi bijuudamas were about to destroy everything inside the barrier. Everyone except Juugo and Sasuke didn't had the shared chakra which Naruto shared. Plus Minato and Naruto directly made a contact of chakra and hence Minato could teleport them.
Why he could teleport the Kyuubi when he was on top of Gamabunta ?
Minato was in contact with Kyuubi through Gamabunta.
And Minato already said that he needs contact with the target, either physical or through his own chakra.
Take a look.
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What do you see?
From this I analyzed that when Minato found the Kyuubi, he jumped over the kyuubi, standing on him and then summoned Gamabunta. A direct impact out of nowhere. Plus he requested Gamabunta to hold down the fox so that he can gather enough chakra to teleport Kyuubi and the blast. If this is how the sitaution went, then Minato already connected his chakra with Kyuubi. The manga shows that way. Gamabunta appeared directly over the stomped Kyuubi.

But if my analysis is wrong then Gamabunta and Minato must have jumped over the Kyuubi because of Gamabunta's jumping ability.
In any way, he connected his chakra with Kyuubi through Gamabunta.
And as I already said, Minato's jutsu depends upon Minato to whom he wants to teleport either along with him or only the target.
Whereas Izanagi doesn't takes into consideration whether which wounded part of the user must be healed or not.
Can you explain me how Madara did survive against Hashirama ?
Plus i said that if Kishi choose this way , then he has to come up with a lesser restraint otherwise EMS users would be invincible.
I believe that Madara didn't use Izanagi to avoid his death. Otherwise, like the illusion fades away, he should have had faded away from Hashirama's eyes. But he didn't means he used something else to avoid his death.
What I believe is that Madara used his MS technique which he never used while battling against Hashirama. That technique might be to avoid a fatal blow. Take look.
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^^^ This image shows Madara's EMS in the last panel. But if you consider this whole page, we would say that he used his EMS to copy the handsigns, Hashirama's was forming.

But check out the next page.
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The time when the story was ending.
Plus the important thing, Madara didn't even activated Sharingan against an opponent stronger than him. What could be the reason? answer : I believe that in the previous page, he used his MS technique on Hashirama to make him convince that Madara died by his hand that night. But Madara escaped while Hashirama remained under that impression. Madara didn't use any clones, otherwise Hashirama could have found it. Madara wanted to make it seem real. And that's how he used his trump card, another MS ability, in this final battle.
It was Naruto and Tsunade who saved Shikamaru ( Naruto activated the Kyuubi cloak on him ).

Yeah Naruto helped him as well, but still Naruto was trying hard to recover Shikamaru as fast he could. Thanks to Tsunade's tap on the forehead. At the same moment, the whole forcing chakra from Naruto rushed through Shikamaru's body and helped him recover fast. Tsunade was the main who saved Shikamaru.
 
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