iseris... vs DS

[Deidara...]

it is weak to lightning+water

wood = water + earth < lightning

lava = fire + earth /< lightning

i dont understand how this rule does not apply in both cases, but its approved so i accept it

 

[Deidara...]

then u get carried off and die :|

so ur dead? O_O

no, as the river caries me off i release the nagashi which will destroy the portions of the river that get close me i can then get a stable footing as the mud that gets within 5 feet of me will be destroyed. and then when i use the frequency change which causes the nagashi to intensify spreading an additional few feet. i maintain the nagashi so that any lava spewed from the dragons will be destroyed as it gets to me not to mention this river is a lowly c-rank.

 

[Xylon]

wood = water + earth < lightning

lava = fire + earth /< lightning

i dont understand how this rule does not apply in both cases, but its approved so i accept it

cause its in a liquid/molten state, lightning beats earth, because its charged particles penetrate the solid closely packed together particles, with less electrons to resists those of the lightning, but since liquids can move freely, they have more electrons also with the increased space between the particles, electricity will be spread and more easy to resist, else then that lava has a high density of its own, it cant be blocked that easily

 

[Crutch Kaguya]

no, as the river caries me off i release the nagashi which will destroy the portions of the river that get close me i can then get a stable footing as the mud that gets within 5 feet of me will be destroyed. and then when i use the frequency change which causes the nagashi to intensify spreading an additional few feet. i maintain the nagashi so that any lava spewed from the dragons will be destroyed as it gets to me not to mention this river is a lowly c-rank.

Its a combination of 3 C-Ranks and even with that, jutsu description always pwns the rank. Bursting Water Wave even though its B-Rank puts out all Fire. Also its is not mud its lava so its not gonna be effected the same way as the mud.

 

[~Hasashi~]

wood is weak to lightning not b/c there is earth in it have you ever seen lightning hit a tree you it smashes it completely

lava is different then mud like crutch said

 

[Gatsndshanks]

Uhm DS...Doryudan doesnt make an actual dragon, just the head which shoots out projectiles and the bullets infuse with the mud projectiles...So you're move was wrong in that perspective
Hmm, i'll re-read iseris's move and come to a verdict.....

 

[~Hasashi~]

Uhm DS...Doryudan doesnt make an actual dragon, just the head which shoots out projectiles and the bullets infuse with the mud projectiles...So you're move was wrong in that perspective
Hmm, i'll re-read iseris's move and come to a verdict.....

i dont think it really matters since he made lava balls and/or made a lava dragon (well really dragon head but this is like the third hokage's combo so we all know what it looks like)

 

[Gatsndshanks]

@hasashi - it does matter, theres a lot of difference to a whole dragon and just the head >_>
Anyway, Iseris, your move is primarily designed to increase the frequency of offensive instruments, how are you using it to increase an existing element? just increasing its currency? i dunno, im stuck for this one....its two C-ranks vs a powered up A-rank :/ Nagashi isnt really a strong defensive move in terms against fire.....And i dont think logically you can use it because ONLY killer bee/Raikage has been shown to use it :/

 

[~Hasashi~]

@hasashi - it does matter, theres a lot of difference to a whole dragon and just the head >_>
Anyway, Iseris, your move is primarily designed to increase the frequency of offensive instruments, how are you using it to increase an existing element? just increasing its currency? i dunno, im stuck for this one....its two C-ranks vs a powered up A-rank :/ Nagashi isnt really a strong defensive move in terms against fire.....And i dont think logically you can use it because ONLY killer bee/Raikage has been shown to use it :/

i meant about the lava balls >.>

 

[Gatsndshanks]

i dont think it really matters since he made lava balls and/or made a lava dragon (well really dragon head but this is like the third hokage's combo so we all know what it looks like)

Theres no 'and/or' about it...this jutsu only and only makes the head, nothing else...
Anyway, my suggestion is that iseris, Re-do your move (DS dont complain) and be more conventional about your attack, not anything complex.
Please no more posts apart from the fight after this

 

[Adachi]

wood is weak to lightning not b/c there is earth in it have you ever seen lightning hit a tree you it smashes it completely

lava is different then mud like crutch said

I have this feeling you're having a grudge against me as you type this. :|

Chidori Nagashi can't stop a dragon that immediately forms and spews projectile at you. :| You used the wrong move.

 

[Xylon]

Uhm DS...Doryudan doesnt make an actual dragon, just the head which shoots out projectiles and the bullets infuse with the mud projectiles...So you're move was wrong in that perspective
Hmm, i'll re-read iseris's move and come to a verdict.....

just cause 3rd used it that way doesn't ends in the conclusion that there rn't other ways to use it
Water style; Water Dragon goes rushing into the opponent dealing heavy damage, but seen used many time, water dragon was controlled by the user the way he wanted

 

[Deidara...]

Its a combination of 3 C-Ranks and even with that, jutsu description always pwns the rank. Bursting Water Wave even though its B-Rank puts out all Fire. Also its is not mud its lava so its not gonna be effected the same way as the mud.

c+c+c = a

a + s = forbidden

if im using nagashi like an armor, which what im doing it doesnt matter how he describes his jutsu it isnt strong enough to penetrate my defenses.

wood is weak to lightning not b/c there is earth in it have you ever seen lightning hit a tree you it smashes it completely

lava is different then mud like crutch said

thats real life application there is only one attack that uses actual lightning
and thats kirin. everything else is elementally recomposed chakra so it has to work with the chakra strength and weakness chart.

cause its in a liquid/molten state, lightning beats earth, because its charged particles penetrate the solid closely packed together particles, with less electrons to resists those of the lightning, but since liquids can move freely, they have more electrons also with the increased space between the particles, electricity will be spread and more easy to resist, else then that lava has a high density of its own, it cant be blocked that easily

your chemistry is a little backwards and spotty. water has a set amount of electrons as its a combination of set elements hydrogen (1) oxygen (8) so it has a total of 9 electrons per molecule. fire can be produced from any of the flamable elements, so theres no way of knowing which has more or less electrons unless you state exactly what u are using to make the fire. And the state does not affect the amount of electrons only there structure. if you have a cup of water the amount of electrons stays the same no matter what state u have it in.

but i understand what you are saying the difference in states brings about a different reaction. (even though the facts were a little spotty)

@gats i will re-do X___X

 

[Xylon]

c+c+c = a

a + s = forbidden

if im using nagashi like an armor, which what im doing it doesnt matter how he describes his jutsu it isnt strong enough to penetrate my defenses.



thats real life application there is only one attack that uses actual lightning
and thats kirin. everything else is elementally recomposed chakra so it has to work with the chakra strength and weakness chart.



your chemistry is a little backwards and spotty. water has a set amount of electrons as its a combination of set elements hydrogen (1) oxygen (8) so it has a total of 9 electrons per molecule. fire can be produced from any of the flamable elements, so theres no way of knowing which has more or less electrons unless you state exactly what u are using to make the fire. And the state does not affect the amount of electrons only there structure. if you have a cup of water the amount of electrons stays the same no matter what state u have it in.

but i understand what you are saying the difference in states brings about a different reaction. (even though the facts were a little spotty)

@gats i will re-do X___X

i would explain the detail if i knew u would understand
by liquids more electron thingy, i meant generally elements in liquid state at room temperature generally possess more electrons, also the amount of electrons depends on elements and atom layers, as they all have openings, the main requirements for fire r heat and oxygen, other elements just increase or decrease it, but we r talking about everything all together that includes chemistry of elements(weakness and resistance) and physics of matters(density,mass and volume), even if the electricity does have the ability to overcome lava, its mass and density certainly covers this fault

 

[Deidara...]

i would explain the detail if i knew u would understand
by liquids more electron thingy, i meant generally elements in liquid state at room temperature generally possess more electrons, also the amount of electrons depends on elements and atom layers, as they all have openings, the main requirements for fire r heat and oxygen, other elements just increase or decrease it, but we r talking about everything all together that includes chemistry of elements(weakness and resistance) and physics of matters(density,mass and volume), even if the electricity does have the ability to overcome lava, its mass and density certainly covers this fault

ds, after you just spat that ridiculously wrong description you have no room to doubt what i will and will not understand. There are still wrong statements in this post. so if it seems to you like i dont understand its most likely that your chemistry is wrong.

i said i understood that the difference in the reactions is due to the difference in states. leave it at that unless you can accurately go into further detail.

error is in red.

and i edited my move

 

[Deidara...]

forgive me if i was rude but for people to doubt my intelligence is one of my pet peeves.

and battling in the arena does require inteligence but as a lot of people know kishi's system is scientifically flawed so sciences do not always directly correspond.

ex. dirt makes electricity dissipate so for earth to be weak to it in his system, is a major scientific flaw. but he didnt develop it solely off sciences so that doesnt apply to naruto.

 

[Xylon]

-Sry i never meant to doubt ur intellect, just that i take it as general that normal ppl dont tend to know most of the insides.

as you use the river i use

(Doton: Dochu Eigyo no Jutsu) - Earth Style: Underground Projection Fish Technique
Rank: C
Type: Defence/Supplementary
Range: Short/Long
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Using this jutsu, a person can hide underground until they're ready to attack an opponent. By utilizing earth-chakra, the person can stealthily emerge from the ground without disrupting the ground around him. This jutsu can also be used to avoid incoming jutsus.

passing through your river into the ground, dodging your dragons and projectiles altogether altogether i then reappear mid rang behind you and use

Type: Attack
Rank: S
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 40
Damage Points: 80
Descripton: Two powerful lightning blasts.This strong attack can be defended against by an equally strong attack of the same element such as Raikiri.

and in a stronger frequency from

Raiton: Cho Biburato Raiton (Lightning style: Super Vibrating Lightning)
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra: 40
Damage: (+50 to any Raiton or object Charged with this)
Descritpion: The User Must be a Master Raiton User. With this The user can Increase the frequency of his Lightning Chakra and with it, make an object that has more penetrative force then that of a Fuuton technique. Killer Bee's lightning prowess is so great, he can even charge weak but sharp pencil-point to pierce straight through a large tree trunk. As stated by Kisame, Killer Bee is able to do this by increasing the vibration frequency of his lightning chakra to surpass the standard penetrative force of wind-chakra.
(Last 5 turns)
(No lightning 2 turns afterwards)

*noticing you i take out and use eye of the dark stopping both of your lightning attacks right after being performed*
The Eye of Dark.

Spoiler

Eye of Dark is produced using the finest grade materials and workmanship. Features include solid metal handle parts and dragon scale grips in the design.
Two knifes deadly as their name; They can block every lighting and fire attack up to S rank, charged by the users all types of chakra. No jutsu needed to defend, the user only crosses his knives before the jutsu attack and he cancels it.

*takes out my sword*

Rank; A
Range; Short-Long
Type; Attack
Chakra Cost; 30
Damage; 60
Description; A sword art in which the user collects energy or transfers energy into the sword and slashes which gives an highly amplified swing that creates a shock wave which moves forward.
Note; The shock wave can cut almost anything in its way but moves straight forwards, which makes it difficult to hit the target, best used in short range.

*cutting your body in half*

 

[Deidara...]

-Sry i never meant to doubt ur intellect, just that i take it as general that normal ppl dont tend to know most of the insides.

xD no prob.

*noticing you i take out and use eye of the dark stopping both of your lightning attacks right after being performed*
The Eye of Dark.

Spoiler

Eye of Dark is produced using the finest grade materials and workmanship. Features include solid metal handle parts and dragon scale grips in the design.
Two knifes deadly as their name; They can block every lighting and fire attack up to S rank, charged by the users all types of chakra. No jutsu needed to defend, the user only crosses his knives before the jutsu attack and he cancels it.

*takes out my sword*

Rank; A
Range; Short-Long
Type; Attack
Chakra Cost; 30
Damage; 60
Description; A sword art in which the user collects energy or transfers energy into the sword and slashes which gives an highly amplified swing that creates a shock wave which moves forward.
Note; The shock wave can cut almost anything in its way but moves straight forwards, which makes it difficult to hit the target, best used in short range.

*cutting your body in half*

i uses

Subeta tame hou kirikae) Sword to Gun Conversion.
Rank:B
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra: 35
Attack: N/A
Description: User performs a special dance called a witch dance to change their sword(s) into a powerful weapon(s) called Witch Gun(s). With this the user can convert earth into bullets that fire with cannon-like force.

adding a stance where i bend over backwards dodging the wave that hath tried to cut me in half

i then sommersault backwards while shooting four bullets with cannon like force and speed

as i land i shoot another bullet

which becomes

Name: Basada-Dan (Binding Chain Snake Bullet)
Rank:C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra: 20
Damage: N/A
Description: User Fires off a bullet that becomes a Snake Made of Chain that cand bind a opponent.
(Only usable with Sword to Gun Conversion)

it stays connected to the gun and i charge it with vibrating raiton.
*the chain stays at the base of the gun so that i can still fire off bullets*

 

[Xylon]

xD no prob.



i uses

Subeta tame hou kirikae) Sword to Gun Conversion.
Rank:B
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra: 35
Attack: N/A
Description: User performs a special dance called a witch dance to change their sword(s) into a powerful weapon(s) called Witch Gun(s). With this the user can convert earth into bullets that fire with cannon-like force.

adding a stance where i bend over backwards dodging the wave that hath tried to cut me in half

i then sommersault backwards while shooting four bullets with cannon like force and speed

as i land i shoot another bullet

which becomes

Name: Basada-Dan (Binding Chain Snake Bullet)
Rank:C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra: 20
Damage: N/A
Description: User Fires off a bullet that becomes a Snake Made of Chain that cand bind a opponent.
(Only usable with Sword to Gun Conversion)

it stays connected to the gun and i charge it with vibrating raiton.
*the chain stays at the base of the gun so that i can still fire off bullets*

*in a disturbed manner*
eh! dude the description was correct about u

*continues with the slashing sending out shockwaves, cutting through the bullets and the chain towards you*

Rank; A
Range; Short-Long
Type; Attack
Chakra Cost; 30
Damage; 60
Description; A sword art in which the user collects energy or transfers energy into the sword and slashes which gives an highly amplified swing that creates a shock wave which moves forward.
Note; The shock wave can cut almost anything in its way but moves straight forwards, which makes it difficult to hit the target, best used in short range

-At the same time-

Rank; S
Type; Attack
Range; Short-mid(on the ground where the glyph was formed)
Chakra;40
Damage; 80(10 to the user)
Description; The user summons flame in a circular glyph under the opponents feet. As long as the target is on the ground the attack is really difficult to avoid, The glyph can be moved and the flame comes from 4 corners of the glyph.. The flames are very voilent and harmful at contact.

*below you*

 

[Deidara...]

*in a disturbed manner*
eh! dude the description was correct about u

*continues with the slashing sending out shockwaves, cutting through the bullets and the chain towards you*

Rank; A
Range; Short-Long
Type; Attack
Chakra Cost; 30
Damage; 60
Description; A sword art in which the user collects energy or transfers energy into the sword and slashes which gives an highly amplified swing that creates a shock wave which moves forward.
Note; The shock wave can cut almost anything in its way but moves straight forwards, which makes it difficult to hit the target, best used in short range

-At the same time-

Rank; S
Type; Attack
Range; Short-mid(on the ground where the glyph was formed)
Chakra;40
Damage; 80(10 to the user)
Description; The user summons flame in a circular glyph under the opponents feet. As long as the target is on the ground the attack is really difficult to avoid, The glyph can be moved and the flame comes from 4 corners of the glyph.. The flames are very voilent and harmful at contact.

*below you*

vibrating raiton is still active the chains penetrative force exceeds that of your slashes it smashes through them and wraps around you the vibrating raiton will allow the chain to cut you in half, as the snake constricts you

block your slashes i uses

Fire Style:Fire Wolves
Type:Offensive/Defensive
Rank:A
Range:Short-Long
Damage:60
Chakra Cost:30
Description:The user will breath out fire that will turn shape into wolves,the wolves can then defend or chase the target.The wolves explode when they are near or close to the target

spraying a cloud of fire that stays compact and a wolf jumps out at each slash halting its path.

summary

Spoiler

as i shoot the chain i also breathe out a cloud of wolves which combine together and make a wall. wolves individually jump out at your slashes
making your slashes void as their path is halted. and the chain cuts though all your slashes as well. binding you and the vibrating raiton cuts into you as the snake circles around you and constricts you. and as the chain is wrapped around you i jump and blast my self backwards with the recoil from the cannon dodging your glyph, and slicing your body in half at the same time