[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

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"His fame as a master swordsman and his great strength, along with the actions of his captain, sometimes led others to believe he was the true captain of the crew."

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Either you are blind or you are just trolling :)
 

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This is a thread about Zoro's relationship with EVERY Strawhat member. Sanji is included. I brought Usopp, Nami, and Franky at the same I brought up Sanji, and it wasn't even about power when I did that, but about leadership skills and guiding the actions of the crew. But "Sanji vs Zoro" is magically the only part you see. Notice how in this thread, I've never actually touched on the topic of Zoro vs Sanji, only its status in this thread.


1. What makes you think I care about how you feel about Zoro's intelligence?

2. If I think he's an idiot, so what? If you're fine with people saying Zoro is flawed, and I think that's his flaw, why does it translate to me hating him?

3. I don't say Zoro is an idiot nearly as often as you'e trying to make it seem here.


Considering that Zoro is a reclusive, unsympathetic and rather simple-minded individual, no, I don't think he'd be in a good position to command the crew for very long. The best bet would be a joint democracy between him, Robin, Nami, and Sanji.


Nami, Robin, and Sanji are all definitely more intelligent than Zoro is. The three of them working together would be better than Zoro having absolute authority because they think things out better than he does(all three), communicate better with the crew(Sanji and Nami, to some extent Robin), all have a bigger threshold of knowledge(especially Robin and Nami) and have guided the crew's actions more times(mostly Nami).

I don't think any of them individually would make good leaders for the crew based on what kind of crew it is.

Oda has shown it several times the crew acts as one unit, and without a hierarchy, in actuality.
:lol if you are literally talking about bloody intellect knowing Luffy is the effing captain of SH...I'm out...Why not make Sanji,Robin or Nami as captain then since clearly they are more intelligent..

Tahahaahhaha Oda threw it right in your face several times that Zoro is and in command and you are just ignoring it.
 
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"His fame as a master swordsman and his great strength, along with the actions of his captain, sometimes led others to believe he was the true captain of the crew."

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Either you are blind or you are just trolling :)
The fact that Urouge's word isn't credibility has been proven countless times in this section. It relies on word of mouth, which has led people to believe Luffy is an 8-foot-tall monster, and the World Government reports, which purposefully bend and twist the narrative past what is reality, such as Crocodile's and Moriah's(at Marineford) defeat, and even accidentally, such as Chopper's 50 Beli bounty and status as a mere pet.
 

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:lol if you are literally talking about bloody intellect knowing Luffy is the effong captain of SH...I'm out...

Tahahaahhaha Oda threw it right in your face several times that Zoro is wnd in command and you are just ignoring it.
Luffy's method wouldn't be the same method as everyone else's. It working for Luffy doesn't mean it'd work for everyone. Not to mention Luffy asks for information about islands and other concepts often. When it comes to crucially important issues, such as Usopp's rejoining and going after Sanji when they found out Big Mom got to him, the crew has had discussions about how to settle and go about it. Luffy tends to charge in, but there's still intelligence from the rest of the crew that goes into making the decisions as well. Also note that intelligence and knowledge is but one of the things I listed among them because that's what those four individuals would try to use, and the trio of Nami, Robin, and Sanji would be better at it than Zoro alone.

Zoro simple-minded? You're basically putting him on the same level as Luffy.
Luffy isn't simple-minded, Luffy is retarded. Zoro is simple-minded in that he doesn't quite think about things to the fullest degree. To find Pica, his strategy was just "Cut until the pieces are too small for him to hide." When dealing with Sanji's capture by Big Mom, his reasoning ended at "Kaido's big, so let's just drop it instead of thinking about a way around it."

Zoro has never been portrayed as an intellectual type.
 

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The fact that Urouge's word isn't credibility has been proven countless times in this section. It relies on word of mouth, which has led people to believe Luffy is an 8-foot-tall monster, and the World Government reports, which purposefully bend and twist the narrative past what is reality, such as Crocodile's and Moriah's(at Marineford) defeat, and even accidentally, such as Chopper's 50 Beli bounty and status as a mere pet.
In One Piece Yellow: Grand Elements, Roronoa Zoro is referred to as being "like the vice captain"


woops that slipped :/ Who's the author? OH...Oda is... I guess databooks are wrong then :/

how are you feeling atm?
 

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In One Piece Yellow: Grand Elements, Roronoa Zoro is referred to as being "like the vice captain"


woops that slipped :/ Who's the author? OH...Oda is... I guess databooks are wrong then :/

how are you feeling atm?
If Zoro was the vice captain, why didn't the databook just say "He's the vice captain?" Sounds to me like you're misinterpreting the databook referencing the fact that people in the OP-world falsely assume Zoro is the vice captain.
 

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If Zoro was the vice captain, why didn't the databook just say "He's the vice captain?" Sounds to me like you're misinterpreting the databook referencing the fact that people in the OP-world falsely assume Zoro is the vice captain.
LOL it clearly didn't mention Sanji,Nami or effing Robin as vice captain ffs...stop being biased :lmao:
 

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Nami and Robin sure, not sure why you keep mentioning Sanji involving intelligence.
Sanji has shown to be a more intelligent and creative thinker than Zoro has, and very much so in his own right. From matching wits with Crocodile. to disabling Enel's ship, to using G-4 on Punk Hazard, to closing the Gates of Justice. Sanji is a very tactically bright man. There's even a scan of him tapping his head and telling Usopp that the brain is an important muscle to work as well, trying to find it now.
 

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Sanji has shown to be a more intelligent and creative thinker than Zoro has, and very much so in his own right. From matching wits with Crocodile. to disabling Enel's ship, to using G-4 on Punk Hazard, to closing the Gates of Justice. Sanji is a very tactically bright man. There's even a scan of him tapping his head and telling Usopp that the brain is an important muscle to work as well, trying to find it now.
Okay fine.
 

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Sanji has been shown as a master strategist in alabasta Mr. Prince saved the day with his intelligence. In water 7 who knew to wait at the train station for robins departure and leave a detailed hidden message for his crew. After the buster call was called who knew to close the gate of justice which would cause the whirlpools to start of and actually lead to the SH's having a chance to escape. Oh yea that was sanji all 3 times he's beyond intelligent and an expert strategist and on top of that his fighting capabilities sounds like a solid case for a leader when the captain is not in position to lead or make decisions.
 

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Sanji has been shown as a master strategist in alabasta Mr. Prince saved the day with his intelligence. In water 7 who knew to wait at the train station for robins departure and leave a detailed hidden message for his crew. After the buster call was called who knew to close the gate of justice which would cause the whirlpools to start of and actually lead to the SH's having a chance to escape. Oh yea that was sanji all 3 times he's beyond intelligent and an expert strategist and on top of that his fighting capabilities sounds like a solid case for a leader when the captain is not in position to lead or make decisions.
Well I really don't get why Sanji is not the captain then since clearly you need inteligence to be a captain...Why is Luffy the captain? he is obviously retarded as Riker said...
 

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Well I really don't why Sanji is not the captain then since clearly you need inteligence to be a captain...Why is Luffy the captain? he is obviously retarded as Riker said...
Because Luffy's method doesn't require much intelligence. Zoro wouldn't operate the crew the same way Luffy does, so you can't say that him not being very intelligent won't be harmful like it is for Luffy.
 
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Well I really don't get why Sanji is not the captain then since clearly you need inteligence to be a captain...Why is Luffy the captain? he is obviously retarded as Riker said...
Luffy is captain because he started the crew they respect him and care for him tremendously and will follow his lead no matter what that's why he's captain it had nothing to do with power or intelligence that being said there isn't a vice captain on the crew and there will never be when luffy is not around who ever has the best idea will be the crews next move so this whole conversation is stupid now that you've said that so thank you
 

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Because Luffy's method doesn't require much intelligence. Zoro wouldn't operate the crew the same way Luffy does, so you can't say that him not being very intelligent won't be harmful like it is for Luffy.
I don't see Sanji's intellect giving him anything good in beating Judge...if you want to advance in OP world you need power and a good navigator.

Zoro is clearly above eveyone else in power if not counting Luffy.You clearly don't need to be intellectual to be the captain or 2nd in command...
 

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The databook fact and Zoro taking Luffy's pain on Thiller Bark should be good enough reason why Zoro is indirectly the 2nd in command of SH's.
 

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I don't see Sanji's intellect giving him anything good in beating Judge...if you want to advance in OP world you need power and a good navigator.

Zoro is clearly above eveyone else in power if not counting Luffy.You clearly don't need to be intellectual to be the captain or 2nd in command...
And there is it its always about trying to make zoro strong then everyone except luffy and that will never be the case him and sanji are equal in power there is nothing in this world that shows zoro is stronger then sanji why is it so hard to except they are equal. What makes zoro stronger I don't get you guys
 
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