[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[ToshiZO]

None of that has anything to do with what I said. You say Sanji vs Zoro had no relation to this thread. Now you're talking about the year and how long I've been on the forum, and about hints unrelated to the conversation we were having. Your conceding is appreciated.

I'm not even reading your posts tbh.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm not even reading your posts tbh.

I know you aren't. Otherwise, you wouldn't have tried to argue with me about how a thread that involves every Strawhat involves Sanji as well. It's unthinkable though right? A thread, about Zoro's relationships with the Strawhats, and his relationship with Sanji, a Strawhat, is mentioned? It's like it's raining cats and dogs! And Zoro fans bring up Zoro's strength in relation to Sanji, and other people actually talk about it? What kind of madness is this??? Next thing you know in a Doflamingo vs XYZ thread, someone will go crazy and start talking about the Ito Ito no Mi's capabilities.

 

[ToshiZO]

I know you aren't. Otherwise, you wouldn't have tried to argue with me about how a thread that involves every Strawhat involves Sanji as well. It's unthinkable though right? A thread, about Zoro's relationships with the Strawhats, and his relationship with Sanji, a Strawhat, is mentioned? It's like it's raining cats and dogs! And Zoro fans bring up Zoro's strength in relation to Sanji, and other people actually talk about it? What kind of madness is this???

I wish I had the energy for this. I'm not gonna explain anything.

 

[Bogard]

And as mentioned you completely missed the point of my post. The discussion around the 2nd in command was going smoothly(as far as i read) until Devia suddenly came down to turn this thread into a power-level discussion between Zoro and Sanji, taking advantage of a statement Roger made as a sidetext of his 2nd in command argumentation to start critizising Zoro and his "fanboys"(that since it was critizising Zoro and his fanboys, you of course didn't bother replying to, only Zoro and his fanboys matters). I changed few words in his actual text to show him how what he said could be reversed to the Sanji "fanboys". It wasn't my intention to turn this into a power-level debate. Another reason why i didn't bother replying to your post, hoping the discussion will go back to the "2nd in command" point after that. It was a personal message to him. Contrary to what you think, i don't even care about this power-level debate between Zoro and Sanji. That's why i keep up dodging this everytime i can. Only insecure guys keep bringing this up any chance they get. Now, whether you believe this or not i couldn't care less

 

[loj]

Usopp is literally the only one who got the closest thing to a declaration of VC role of the ship from luffy

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Zoro is just 2nd in command lol Usopp can't handle the crew like at all...

Usopp is a bloody clown of the crew and something like Luffy's best friend...Zoro is just...uncomparable with Usopp...mind blown how Usopp is even considered as someone as 2nd in command

 

[Dannie]

The fact that people even think Usopp can manage the crew is laughable.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And as mentioned you completely missed the point of my post. The discussion around the 2nd in command was going smoothly(as far as i read) until Devia suddenly came down to turn this thread into a power-level discussion between Zoro and Sanji, taking advantage of a statement Roger made as a sidetext of his 2nd in command argumentation to start critizising Zoro and his "fanboys"(that since it was critizising Zoro and his fanboys, you of course didn't bother replying to, only Zoro and his fanboys matters). I changed few words in his actual text to show him how what he said could be reversed to the Sanji "fanboys". It wasn't my intention to turn this into a power-level debate. Another reason why i didn't bother replying to your post, hoping the discussion will go back to the "2nd in command" point after that. It was a personal message to him. Contrary to what you think, i don't even care about this power-level debate between Zoro and Sanji. That's why i keep up dodging this everytime i can. Only insecure guys keep bringing this up any chance they get. Now, whether you believe this or not i couldn't care less

Nope. These are the people who made it a power-level discussion long before Devia posted the wallie:

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To answer your question look at the rest of the crew and find someone among them who would be a better first mate than zoro you will not find someone zoro is the closest to luffy in strength as well as bounty hes been by his side the longest as well so that pretty much guarentees him the first mate spot sanji cant be the first mate hes not as strong as zoro and he hasnt been around as long usop or nami arent even close to zoros strength and they been around but not as long as zoro has

One Piece is a survival to the fittest world. As much as Fist Of the North Star. No one can win by speech or strategy. That's why Zoro is simply 2nd in command because he's 2nd strongest individual in StrawHats.

I agree.

In before Usop supporters show up.

It has been shown multiple times with key hints that Zoro is the closest to the captain. Zoro is also like Marco's Whitebeard, as they are both the second strongest of their crew behind their captain. During the incident with Usopp leaving the crew, it was shown very well that Zoro can be level headed during dramatic times, and tell his own captain to pull himself together and act like a captain and make harsh decisions if it ever needs to come to that. Zoro also took Luffy's Pain from Kuma, and this is proof that he cares for his captain very much. Zoro is also the second one to be aligned with Luffy's crew so he is also the oldest one to join.

The only one who comes close in regards to Luffy's underlings is Usopp but as you can see he lacks power and I believe that Zoro completes all the conditions while Usopp lacks a few. If anything, Usopp seems more like a bestfriend than a second commander.

Data book says his fighting capacity is as high as Luffy's, which at best make them comparable not exactly equals. I find it totally accurate, Luffy's greatest weapon in a fight isn't his strength anyways, So I am not sure why you find it questionable. No, Zoro never goes against Luffy's decision unless it's questionable Or when Luffy acts childish. And He was the one who fought Kuma in Luffy's absence. Once again, not inaccurate in slightest.




He doesn't have to take decisions on daily basis. Lmao, What kind of reasoning it is? He literally just decided that he wouldn't let another crew member back to the crew. Do we need more than that?



Yet it was Zoro who Oda hand picked to take Luffy's place at TB. So, I guess Zoro is one step ahead of Sanji here.

Zoro and Sanji aren't equal by the way.

That was just one instance but he has also been shown to give Luffy advice and tell him what is best during dire situations.

Also, during Punk Hazard when he said that they shouldn't fool around anymore and start getting serious since this is the new world. Zoro has shown at times to tell Luffy to pull his head together, and him being worried that he might do something stupid so he questions it.




Not saying that the bounty matters, but I hardly see Vice Captains with low bounties and Zoro has always been close to Luffy when it comes to bounties so that should be a small sign.

No one in the crew specifically assigned someone to be Vice-Captain.
Zoro seems to be the 2nd strongest so we tend to correlate that with vice-captain status, but that ain't always right. Also, a lot of people in OP have this thing for Zoro. Always making comments about "why he isn't the captain?" and "how is he so strong?"

Bartolommeo refers to him as the Vice-Captain in his point of view. Until Oda confirms with what Bartolomeo says to be true, we'll keep making our own assumptions. But seeing as how Oda has made many people assume Zoro as VC, he must be feeling something about Zoro being VC.

It's just like I said. You have no problem with the power-level discussion, so long as it's people saying how much better Zoro is. You ignored all of these posts that made it a power level discussion, and they were about Zoro being exponentially better than Sanji. Then someone makes a post saying the gap between them isn't that big, and only then the thread is now a power-level thread and ruined. No, not when everyone was sucking Zoro off, it wasn't about power levels when 90% of the posts on the first page was about Zoro's power level. It only became about power levels when someone responded to that post.

Tell me Bogard, why didn't you tell these people not to make it a power level thread? Why wasn't a problem until someone said the opposite of "Zoro totes rockz gais!"

See, I'm not missing the point of your posts, you're missing the point of mine. It was a power level discussion from the beginning, and it was Zoro fans who made it that way. Not Sanji fans.

I wish I had the energy for this. I'm not gonna explain anything.

You need energy to explain how, in a thread about Zoro's relationship with the entire crew, someone mentioning an overwhelming gap in strength will lead to talking about how a battle between Zoro and a member of the crew will go?

I wish you did have the energy to explain how someone is wrong for talking about Zoro's relationship with Sanji in a thread about Zoro's relationship with his crew member. It's bound to be a doozy.

 

[Bogard]

*Facepalm* I started posting here a page back or 2 if don't mistake. I didn't read all the posts, but doesn't matter anyway. You ask me why i dodged that? Then i'd ask you why you dodged Devia's post only to quote to mine? Because it wasn't shitting on Zoro, right? Do you even know what we're debating about here? Those posts were still in relationship with the 2nd in command topic. They were just using strength as an argument for that, nothing wrong with that. Deva on the other side completely sidestepped the 2nd in command topic to chastizise Zoro and his fanboys, essentially turning it into an exclusive power-level topic between Zoro and Sanji. With that said as i was afraid of, it is essentially turning into a dialogue of the deaf by now, so better just stop and focus on the topic at hand

 

[loj]

Nope. These are the people who made it a power-level discussion long before Devia posted the wallie:

It's just like I said. You have no problem with the power-level discussion, so long as it's people saying how much better Zoro is. You ignored all of these posts that made it a power level discussion, and they were about Zoro being exponentially better than Sanji. Then someone makes a post saying the gap between them isn't that big, and only then the thread is now a power-level thread and ruined. No, not when everyone was sucking Zoro off, it wasn't about power levels when 90% of the posts on the first page was about Zoro's power level. It only became about power levels when someone responded to that post.

Tell me Bogard, why didn't you tell these people not to make it a power level thread? Why wasn't a problem until someone said the opposite of "Zoro totes rockz gais!"

See, I'm not missing the point of your posts, you're missing the point of mine. It was a power level discussion from the beginning, and it was Zoro fans who made it that way. Not Sanji fans.



You need energy to explain how, in a thread about Zoro's relationship with the entire crew, someone mentioning an overwhelming gap in strength will lead to talking about how a battle between Zoro and a member of the crew will go?

I wish you did have the energy to explain how someone is wrong for talking about Zoro's relationship with Sanji in a thread about Zoro's relationship with his crew member. It's bound to be a doozy.

Usopp just isn't suited to be 2nd in command in OP world...you must be joking if you think he is...

 

[Punk Hazard]

*Facepalm* I started posting here a page back or 2 if don't mistake. I didn't read all the posts, but doesn't matter anyway. You ask me why i dodged that? Then i'd ask you why you dodged Devia's post only to quote to mine? Because it wasn't shitting on Zoro, right? Do you even know what we're debating about here? Those posts were still in relationship with the 2nd in command topic. They were just using strength as an argument for that, nothing wrong with that. Deva on the other side completely sidestepped the 2nd in command topic to chastizise Zoro and his fanboys, essentially turning it into an exclusive power-level topic between Zoro and Sanji. With that said as i was afraid of, it is essentially turning into a dialogue of the deaf by now, so better just stop and focus on the topic at hand

I didn't reply to Devia's post because he was fully in the right to post what he did. Regardless of it's correct or incorrect, the fact that he posted it falls perfectly in line with the thread BECAUSE of what Zoro fans posted beforehand. You on the other hand posted hypocritically.

Usopp just isn't suited to be 2nd in command in OP world...you must be joking if you think he is...

Show me where I said he was suited for it.

 

[loj]

I didn't reply to Devia's post because he was fully in the right to post what he did. Regardless of it's correct or incorrect, the fact that he posted it falls perfectly in line with the thread BECAUSE of what Zoro fans posted beforehand. You on the other hand posted hypocritically.



Show me where I said he was suited for it.

Well you technically agreed on that panel from Cobra...I mean you said "Thread over" what else can I get from that?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well you technically agreed on that panel from Cobra...

I agreed the panel shows him being the closest thing to a confirmed Vice-Captain. Now show me where I said he was suited for the job.

 

[Bogard]

I didn't reply to Devia's post because he was fully in the right to post what he did. Regardless of it's correct or incorrect, the fact that he posted it falls perfectly in line with the thread BECAUSE of what Zoro fans posted beforehand. You on the other hand posted hypocritically.

Then i'm fully right too to post what i did. Why did it bother you? You're the only hypocrite here

 

[loj]

I agreed the panel shows him being the closest thing to a confirmed Vice-Captain. Now show me where I said he was suited for the job.

Alrighty then you didn't say that then xd but still...you have a hate Zoro disease you clearly think he is an idiot from debates before...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then i'm fully right too to post what i did. Why did it bother you? You're the only hypocrite here

You weren't right, you were hypocritical. The thread is about Zoro's relationship with the entire crew, and names mentioned included Robin, Franky, Usopp, and Nami. Zoro fans brought up the concept of Zoro's strength when compared to Sanji and the other crewmembers. And yet, Sanji fans talking about Zoro vs Sanji and their relationship ruined the thread? Lol, sure Boggy

Alrighty then you didn't say that then xd but still...you have a hate Zoro disease you clearly think he is an idiot from debates before...

So thinking Zoro is an idiot means I hate him? Guess I was right, to Zoro fanboys you only like him if you think he has zero flaws.

 

[Bogard]

You weren't right, you were hypocritical. The thread is about Zoro's relationship with the entire crew, and names mentioned included Robin, Franky, Usopp, and Nami. Zoro fans brought up the concept of Zoro's strength when compared to Sanji and the other crewmembers. And yet, Sanji fans talking about Zoro vs Sanji and their relationship ruined the thread? Lol, sure Boggy

*Sigh* As per usual, you argue your own points. I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Whatever makes you sleep at night i guess

 

[loj]

You weren't right, you were hypocritical. The thread is about Zoro's relationship with the entire crew, and names mentioned included Robin, Franky, Usopp, and Nami. Zoro fans brought up the concept of Zoro's strength when compared to Sanji and the other crewmembers. And yet, Sanji fans talking about Zoro vs Sanji and their relationship ruined the thread? Lol, sure Boggy



So thinking Zoro is an idiot means I hate him? Guess I was right, to Zoro fanboys you only like him if you think he has zero flaws.

But you can't help but mention Sanji everytime Zoro is in debate...I mean just where did I say Zoro has zero flaws? But I don't think he is an idiot like you are saying literally everytime Zoro is in a debate...

Zoro is more suited than anyone in SH's for 2nd in command.You are literally biased if you think Sanji or someone else can take that position from him.Oda showed it several times indirectly who is the 2nd in command of the crew...

 

[Punk Hazard]

*Sigh* As per usual, you argue your own points. I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Whatever makes you sleep at night i guess

I argue my points? You mean, what you're supposed to do in a debate? How exactly is arguing why my points are correct and not yours the wrong thing to do? Then again, I shouldn't be surprised. After all, this was your train of thought:

>Zoro fan makes thread about Zoro's relationship with the crew
>Zoro fans bring up power level into thread
>Someone continues talking about Zoro's power level from opposite perspective
>Others follow suit
>Latter group is wrong because they're Sanji fans who ruined the thread by introducing the topic of power level

 

[Dannie]

Rikey-boy is Anti-Zoro

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[Punk Hazard]

But you can't help but mention Sanji everytime Zoro is in debate...

This is a thread about Zoro's relationship with EVERY Strawhat member. Sanji is included. I brought Usopp, Nami, and Franky at the same I brought up Sanji, and it wasn't even about power when I did that, but about leadership skills and guiding the actions of the crew. But "Sanji vs Zoro" is magically the only part you see. Notice how in this thread, I've never actually touched on the topic of Zoro vs Sanji, only its status in this thread.

I mean just where did I say Zoro has zero flaws? But I don't think he is an idiot like you are saying literally everytime Zoro is in a debate...

1. What makes you think I care about how you feel about Zoro's intelligence?

2. If I think he's an idiot, so what? If you're fine with people saying Zoro is flawed, and I think that's his flaw, why does it translate to me hating him?

3. I don't say Zoro is an idiot nearly as often as you'e trying to make it seem here.

Zoro is more suited than anyone in SH's for 2nd in command.

Considering that Zoro is a reclusive, unsympathetic and rather simple-minded individual, no, I don't think he'd be in a good position to command the crew for very long. The best bet would be a joint democracy between him, Robin, Nami, and Sanji.

You are literally biased if you think Sanji or someone else can take that position from him.

Nami, Robin, and Sanji are all definitely more intelligent than Zoro is. The three of them working together would be better than Zoro having absolute authority because they think things out better than he does(all three), communicate better with the crew(Sanji and Nami, to some extent Robin), all have a bigger threshold of knowledge(especially Robin and Nami) and have guided the crew's actions more times(mostly Nami).

I don't think any of them individually would make good leaders for the crew based on what kind of crew it is.

Oda showed it several times indirectly who is the 2nd in command of the crew...

Oda has shown it several times the crew acts as one unit, and without a hierarchy, in actuality.