Is Zimmerman really not guilty?
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COLOSSAL TITAN
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He's indeed not guilty, to be honest I'm not racist at all but..
Black people are acting way too butthurt about this, white people get shot all the time by black people and we don't call that racism, black people need to get over the past and accept the fact that they were the lesser group and were used in slavery.
Black people are acting way too butthurt about this, white people get shot all the time by black people and we don't call that racism, black people need to get over the past and accept the fact that they were the lesser group and were used in slavery.
Nooby Kyuubi
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We really need to put this behind already.
I've seen this video, it has good points but it's hard to change someone's mindset on this trial (most people don't know what they're talking about and haven't been paying attention to the trial until the verdict, anyway).
I seriously can't believe they involved Martin Luther King in this though, absolutely blasphemous.
Indeed. The only reason this is as big as it is is because its "white" (Zimmerman is part Hispanic) on black crime. The media seriously is just instigating a huge race war.
I've seen this video, it has good points but it's hard to change someone's mindset on this trial (most people don't know what they're talking about and haven't been paying attention to the trial until the verdict, anyway).
I seriously can't believe they involved Martin Luther King in this though, absolutely blasphemous.
it doesn't matter, a kid is now dead. even if it was self defense or even if it was completly by mistake, the kid is dead. there should be a punishment and a harsh one simply to make other people think 5 times before shooting a f*cking gun. even if zimmerman was afraid for his life i don't think that shooting the kid was neccesary, at best shooting at the air would scare him off.
yes, the media is using the fact that zimmerman is hispanic white adult and traviyon is a black teen to basicly lynch zimmerman and forward the black rights cause. but isn't zimmerman doing the same thing by trying to avoid punishment using the media? zimmerman says he is being lynched and prosecuted because people believe he is racist, by saying that he is trying to lower his crime by making the media exaggerated. zimmerman is doing the same thing the media does only for the opposite cause, he is using the media and public opinion to lower his punishment and make the crime appear less then it really is.
in the end, he killed someone. people must never forget that.
yes, the media is using the fact that zimmerman is hispanic white adult and traviyon is a black teen to basicly lynch zimmerman and forward the black rights cause. but isn't zimmerman doing the same thing by trying to avoid punishment using the media? zimmerman says he is being lynched and prosecuted because people believe he is racist, by saying that he is trying to lower his crime by making the media exaggerated. zimmerman is doing the same thing the media does only for the opposite cause, he is using the media and public opinion to lower his punishment and make the crime appear less then it really is.
in the end, he killed someone. people must never forget that.
Kira was Righteous
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I stopped at white people get shot all the time by black people i can guarantee you right without any doubt more blacks have been killed then whites. Actually some black countries weren't enslaved so that doesn't apply to all and if someone has more firepower then you tells to get onto a ship or they will kill you what do you say? The eithopians beat the slavers with sticks ^_^
The zimmerman trial was complex but ultimately zimmerman went after that kid with the intention to stop him whatever the means when told not to by police. You cannot claim self defence if you start a event but travyon was a druggie wannabe gangster so hes no angel either.
COLOSSAL TITAN
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Again living in the past, don't react if you don't read my whole statement, you also haven't seen the video provided by the OP so I won't take you serious. I suggest you watch the footage and come back with a valid statement. You again are talking about the past, trayvion suffered from paranoya it's already illegal to walk high on drugs on the streets so that can be said for both.
At the end of the day Zimmerman did his job and had no other choice then to fall on the stand your ground law which exists in Florida.
Firearms are not tools of intimidation. They are tools for defense. You do not discharge them into the air - what comes up must come down. You only discharge at what you intend to deal damage to.
He's not doing anything.
Nor did he commit a crime.
I really don't see the big deal. People die all the time.
As someone has already said, this is living in the past.
If you look back through history, however, whites weren't traveling to these regions and capturing blacks. Think about it for a few minutes, and you'll see why the idea of sailing a ship for a month to some portion of the world, beating them into submission to arrest them all, then carting them back to wherever simply isn't feasible.
What was going on, then?
Various tribes were vying for power in the area. A prison system was beyond their ability to maintain, and if you pissed off the local war lord, he'd sell you off to the foreigners.
They were killing, jailing, and enslaving each other for centuries before the ordeal went global.
It stands to reason that the regions with better unity and coherency would drive off the majority of the slave trade. Slavers weren't looking for a fight. They were looking for a profit. Fighting for live captives on foreign terrain with the extremely limited supplies that could be carried aboard sailing vessels is not a good way to go about trying to make a profit.
You go to places where people are looking for ways to get rid of each other, and offer a solution. A number of people looking to get away from the current regimes will hop aboard (probably before really knowing what they got themselves into).
The problem is that we don't really know who started the physical altercation.
If you pin Zimmerman for disobeying the direction of a non-emergency dispatch manned by an individual with no binding legal authority - then people like me simply aren't going to call until it's to report someone in custody or in need of being taken to the morgue.
If you try to say that following Martin was instigating a crime - then you may as well start charging door-to-door salesmen with assault and the tabloid vendor with attempted murder. They are pursuing people, after all. They started whatever happens to them after they decided to approach someone.
... reality doesn't work that way.
In cases like this - it's next to impossible to really tell who started what, and who is at fault.
But society demands blood. The court room is the Coliseum and the conclusion needs to be blood soaking through the floorboards. If one person is innocent - it means the other must be guilty and killed.
It can't be that both are innocent of any legal wrongdoing (even if they didn't make the best decisions).
It can't be that Martin over-reacted to begin with, and an already tense Zimmerman didn't de-escalate the situation... leading himself or Martin to resort to physical violence that ultimately cascaded into a series of events where Zimmerman was being beaten against the ground before he was shot.
Legally - you can't really punish either of the two without strong evidence to convince a jury that criminal negligence or intent existed.
That evidence simply isn't there in the case. Neither is guilty of a crime - even though the situation was not a good one and ended in neither party's favor.
COLOSSAL TITAN
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being young doesn't excuse you from attacking someone
if Zimmerman felt his life was threatened than he has the right to use deadly force to protect himself
being a kid/young doesn't give you the right to attack someone with malicious intent nor does it protect you from not dying
don't wanna die, don't attack someone . . . simple
if Zimmerman felt his life was threatened than he has the right to use deadly force to protect himself
being a kid/young doesn't give you the right to attack someone with malicious intent nor does it protect you from not dying
don't wanna die, don't attack someone . . . simple
AllomnisymbolsparttwoT
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"White people get shot all the time by black people" That's borderline racist. Isolated incidents have happened but Blacks, Whites, Mexican, Asian, Australian. HUMANS kill HUMANS... George Zimmerman is guilty in the laws of nature, he purposely chased that young man down the road racial profiling him, and started the altercation. The state side did a terrible job presenting the case, so as a result the jury didn't have enough evidence to convict. P.S Next time they should prepare their witnesses better. Deep in your hearts you Zimmerman is guilty, he was told to stay in car and OBSERVE because the cops were already on the way.
Sakura Bunny
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That wasn't racist at all. I'm a half black/white girl and I agree with everything he said.
Being young doesn't excuse you from attacking someone if Zimmerman felt his life was threatened than he should have stayed his ass in the car. trayvon didn't go looking for him, he went to trayvon. To much racism hiding behind these computer screens.
Why did this case even get so much media attention? Imo, the only reason for that is to distract the people from more important issues domestically and maybe foreign.
Classism, sexism, racism and other categorizations are being used to occupy us with insignificant issues. And with this case, black people overreact over the story and bring out the racism card blowing it out of proportion.
Classism, sexism, racism and other categorizations are being used to occupy us with insignificant issues. And with this case, black people overreact over the story and bring out the racism card blowing it out of proportion.
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Sakura Bunny
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That's because I never heard of one black person getting away with murder, under a bullshit law like stand your ground. Chase the boy down, shoot him and call it self defense. Neighborhood watch extreme version
Kira was Righteous
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Your defending a borderline racist comment if it is living in the past correcting such a statement with facts and not racist propaganda garbage then call me a caveman. I never disputed the slaves were sold by the africans themselves however it is extremely naive of you to suggest that the african tribes were to blame for slavery. Im also very uncomfortable with you suggesting that europeans(Americans) weren't looking for trouble going to a foreign land this is completely incorrect on every level you should look at european history and documentarys like guns germs and steel.It hardly warrants a rebuttal but europeans have a habit of killing brown people for their lands/resources.
Yes it is a difficult situation im well aware as a citizen he was not obliged too obey advice from a official as long as no law is being broken.It just points to the fact he was the aggressor in this situation you don't pursue someone if your the victim in self defence. I would say even if martin attacked him first self def..
Your defending a borderline racist comment if it is living in the past correcting such a statement with facts and not racist propaganda garbage then call me a caveman. I never disputed the slaves were sold by the africans themselves however it is extremely naive of you to suggest that the african tribes were to blame for slavery. Im also very uncomfortable with you suggesting that europeans(Americans) weren't looking for trouble going to a foreign land this is completely incorrect on every level you should look at european history and documentarys like guns germs and steel.It hardly warrants a rebuttal but europeans have a habit of killing brown people for their lands/resources.
Yes it is a difficult situation im well aware as a citizen he was not obliged too obey advice from a official as long as no law is being broken.It just points to the fact he was the aggressor in this situation you don't pursue someone if your the victim in self defence. I would say even if martin attacked him first self def..