Is Tobirama the worst Hokage ever?

Would the shinobi world be a better place without Tobirama?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 24.1%
  • No

    Votes: 18 62.1%
  • Not determinable

    Votes: 4 13.8%

  • Total voters
    29

Niwdog

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I was just watching this ^ and it made me realise that not only did Tobirama cause the Hashirama/Madara fight which eventually leads to Tobi, the creation of the Akatsuki and pretty much all of Konoha's problems and all of the major villains we have encountered in the villain (The Akatsuki, Pain, Itachi, Tobi, Danzo, Zetsu, Madara...) but also Tobirama is a major cause for the destruction caused by Orochimaru and Kabuto during Oro's attack on Konoha in Part 1 and the Shinobi War happening right now. I say this because Tobirama created Edo Tensei and without it, Oro would not have succeeded in killing the 3rd Hokage and Kabuto would not have contributed to the war so greatly.

Now, I'm not saying that Tobirama is the complete cause of all these things or that it's very 1-sided; Madara and all the other villains that played their roles in causing what has happened are all part of it too. But forneverworld has a point, without Tobirama, a lot of these villains are prevented from coming into play quite directly: Orochimaru with Edo Tensei, Kabuto with Edo Tensei, Madara, Tobi and Pain/Nagato quite directly. Tobirama seems to be a very direct causal point. But what do you all think? Could maybe the shinobi world have been a better place without Tobirama? Maybe if he had been killed instead of Itami, things might be different.
 

Prince Charles

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Tobirama did nothing wrong he spoke the truth he is a realist.
 

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Tsunade is sooooo useless... right behind her would be Hiruzen.
 

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Nope. Tsunade. She's contributed least out of all 5.
 

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No, no, no. I just had to stop after you said Tobirama was responsible for Orochimaru and Kabuto's actions.

No, Tobirama could not foresee the future, he had no idea that Edo Tensei would be taken by Oro and Kabuto. He is not responsble for Akatsuki or their actions in any way, that was all Madara and Obito. Madara could have sucked it up and stayed with the village, but he didn't. He chose not to listen to his own people or the people of Konoha altogether. He is hardly responsible for Konoha's problems as he's the one who made Konoha stronger by establishing the Chunin Exams and what have you.

I'm really tired, so I'd go into more detail but I'm catching myself making several typos, so I'm going to bed.
 

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if Tobirama was the worst hokage, there wouldn't have been a 3rd, 4th, or 5th.....
 

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Everyone of the previous Hokage are better than Tsunade in both combat and overall accomplishments.
 

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Tobirama is a realistic guy. He says the truth. Madara didn't like what he heard (truth) thus ran away.
 

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... this has nothing to do as a roll of a hokage, all his action can be justified as the greater good of the village, and for his clan.
 

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No, no, no. I just had to stop after you said Tobirama was responsible for Orochimaru and Kabuto's actions.

No, Tobirama could not foresee the future, he had no idea that Edo Tensei would be taken by Oro and Kabuto. He is not responsble for Akatsuki or their actions in any way, that was all Madara and Obito. Madara could have sucked it up and stayed with the village, but he didn't. He chose not to listen to his own people or the people of Konoha altogether. He is hardly responsible for Konoha's problems as he's the one who made Konoha stronger by establishing the Chunin Exams and what have you.

I'm really tired, so I'd go into more detail but I'm catching myself making several typos, so I'm going to bed.

Lol, I get what you're saying and I agree. No, I wouldn't say he's responsible at all, but he provides the things they need to sufficiently cause the problems that they cause. And just wanted to see if anyone thinks there's any value to what forneverworld is saying.
 

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no he is not, he is just mean thats all
 
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