Is there really any reason for Yamato to stalk Orochimaru?

[HowDidIGetPrem]

I mean.. Orochimaru could literally make two of himself, let one slip out, then pretend as if nothing's happened. The guy hunted for justu, so it's a given he has powerful genjustu alongside sharingans. Obito himself had controlled Yagura, a perfect jin(!!), with just his sharingan. What gives? Who gave Yamato the order to isolate himself for nothing more than a lonely death?

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

The writers just want to give the impression that he isn't free to do whatever he wants but in reality, Yamato would get negged if Oro wakes up one morning and decides he's tired of having one of his old experiments tagging around him

 

[Chikombo]

Naruto needs to reassure people he has someone watching over him. So they can sleep better at night.

 

[Vulpini]

Konoha is aware that Yamato can't stop Orochimaru - if he wanted to do something. Yamato's there more for the sake of appearances rather than for real use.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper">How come Orochimaru isnt even aware of that? or is he? and how was Tobi able to control Yagura perf jin?</div>

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

How come Orochimaru isnt even aware of that? or is he? and how was Tobi able to control Yagura perf jin?

There's no way Orochimaru doesn't know. He has a Sage Mode user in the base and Karin. I don't really understand how Tobi controlled Yagura though.

 

[Char Aznable]

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Seems like Kakashi and later Naruto set him up with a dead end job.[

and how was Tobi able to control Yagura perf jin?

Obito has the Mangekyou Sharingan and half is body is Hashi cells/white zetsu. When Obito fought Minato and those Mist Ninja, he was linked to Spiral Zetsu. The amps Spiral Zetsu gave Obito and later Yamato (during the war when he summoned his own Buddha) were insane.

Bijuu come from the Juubi. As do Mokuton and the Sharingan. Either or can suppress and control the Bijuu.

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[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=21704176" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-21704176">I changed my name again said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> There's no way Orochimaru doesn't know. He has a Sage Mode user in the base and Karin. I don't really understand how Tobi controlled Yagura though. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Do you think its another plot in the manga? Since from what i know pef jin cant be controlled <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=21704183" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-21704183">Char Aznable said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> [video=youtube;AWxvmHuXEoU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWxvmHuXEoU[/video]<br /> <br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> <br /> Seems like Kakashi and later Naruto set him up with a dead end job.[<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Obito has the Mangekyou Sharingan and half is body is Hashi cells/white zetsu. When Obito fought Minato and those Mist Ninja, he was linked to Spiral Zetsu. The amps Spiral Zetsu gave Obito and later Yamato (during the war when he summoned his own Buddha) were insane. <br /> <br /> Bijuu come from the Juubi. As do Mokuton and the Sharingan. Either or can suppress and control the Bijuu.<br /> <br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>What does it matter if Tobi had Mangekyou Sharingan or what does even white zetsu have to do with anything here? Sasuke used mangekyou sharingan on Killer Bee and Hachibi woke him up from it <br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div><br /> <br /> or even against Itachi<br /> <br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div></div>

 

[Char Aznable]

Do you think its another plot in the manga? Since from what i know pef jin cant be controlled



What does it matter if Tobi had Mangekyou Sharingan or what does even white zetsu have to do with anything here? Sasuke used mangekyou sharingan on Killer Bee and Hachibi woke him up from it

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Did you not read what I wrote? Mangekyou and Mokuton can control the Bijuu. Obito doubled up on both Senju and Uchiha powers and was able to suppress a perfect jin like Yagura. Danzo had the same plan with Naruto.

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[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=21704212" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-21704212">Char Aznable said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> Did you not read what I wrote? Mangekyou and Mokuton can control the Bijuu. Obito doubled up on both Senju and Uchiha powers and was able to suppress a perfect jin like Yagura. Danzo had the same plan with Naruto. <br /> <br /> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div> <div class="messageHide messageHide--image"> You must be registered for see images </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If thats the case then Sasuke could control Kurama in the last battle against Naruto since he had Rinnegan powered up with Senju DNA but that was useless and Sasuke knew it <br /> <br /> and the scans you provided are just Mangekyou Sharingan controling tailed beast without the host and thats not the same</div>

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Do you think its another plot in the manga? Since from what i know pef jin cant be controlled

I'd say it's Spiral Zestu's influence because he could make Yamato recreate the Buddha, but I think Yamato is the one that was supplementing Spiral Zestu since Yamato and Hashirama were already described as having that effect on Zestus. It's even weirder when considering that Obito did it when he was waaay younger.

 

[Char Aznable]

If thats the case then Sasuke could control Kurama in the last battle against Naruto since he had Rinnegan powered up with Senju DNA but that was useless and Sasuke knew it

No. More like Kishi nerfing Sasuke. Notice, Sasuke never uses genjutsu on Naruto. Sasuke used genjutsu on Danzo, Itachi, Ay, Bee, Cee, White Zetsu, Deidara, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sakura and Sai, but never Naruto.

We know Naruto is vulnerable to genjutsu too.

and the scans you provided are just Mangekyou Sharingan controling tailed beast without the host and thats not the same

Kishi stating Mokuton and Sharingan combined can control a bijuu and jin, make it canon. We never saw it happen in the manga. Yagura was off-paneled, and most of the jins and biju were caught and suppressed by the Akatsuki with other means.

The fact that Hashirama controlled several Bijuu and later gave them away, Yamato using his mokuton to suppress Naruto and that the God Tree was actively absorbing both Naruto and Bee's chakra forms during the war, demonstrates Mokuton's power over the Biju.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=21704220" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-21704220">I changed my name again said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> I'd say it's Spiral Zestu's influence because he could make Yamato recreate the Buddha, but I think Yamato is the one that was supplementing Spiral Zestu since Yamato and Hashirama were already described as having that effect on Zestus. It's even weirder when considering that Obito did it when he was waaay younger. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Then Madara would easily control Naruto in the war arc since his sharingan is stronger then Tobi's and Zetsu's influence but that wasnt the case - what i think is that Yagura wasnt perfect jin but he could control his beast since he was still a kage lvl ninja</div>

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

No. More like Kishi nerfing Sasuke. Notice, Sasuke never uses genjutsu on Naruto. Sasuke used genjutsu on Danzo, Itachi, Ay, Bee, Cee, White Zetsu, Deidara, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sakura and Sai, but never Naruto.

We know Naruto is vulnerable to genjutsu too.


Kishi stating Mokuton and Sharingan combined can control a bijuu and jin, make it canon. We never saw it happen in the manga. Yagura was off-paneled, and most of the jins and biju were caught and suppressed by the Akatsuki with other means.

The fact that Hashirama controlled several Bijuu and later gave them away, Yamato using his mokuton to suppress Naruto and that the God Tree was actively absorbing both Naruto and Bee's chakra forms during the war, demonstrates Mokuton's power over the Biju.

And Zestu are like living mokuton?

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=21704226" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-21704226">Char Aznable said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> No. More like Kishi nerfing Sasuke. Notice, Sasuke never uses genjutsu on Naruto. Sasuke used genjutsu on Danzo, Itachi, Ay, Bee, Cee, White Zetsu, Deidara, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sakura and Sai, but never Naruto. <br /> <br /> We know Naruto is vulnerable to genjutsu too.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>Kishi stating Mokuton and Sharingan combined can control a bijuu and jin, make it canon.</b> We never saw it happen in the manga. Yagura was off-paneled, and most of the jins and biju were caught and suppressed by the Akatsuki with other means. <br /> <br /> The fact that Hashirama controlled several Bijuu and later gave them away, Yamato using his mokuton to suppress Naruto and that the God Tree was actively absorbing both Naruto and Bee's chakra forms during the war, demonstrates Mokuton's power over the Biju. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>One thing is certain Sasuke genjutsu or at least his sharingan/Rinnegan power/genjutsu was so much nerfed. And you're right about Naruto. He never used genjutsu against Naruto but he could easily do it when Naruto wasnt even the perfect jin. <br /> <br /> <b>@bold </b>if this is really true but i never read it before , then it could be possible and explains why was Tobi able to control Yagura in the first place. Perhaps Mokuton/Senju DNA + Mangekyou Sharingan is power beyond imaginable</div>

 

[Char Aznable]

And Zestu are like living mokuton?

Yes. White Zetsu come from the Gedo Mazou and Madara and Obito made some from Hashi cells. It's why when Kabuto kidnapped Yamato, he was able to amp the White Zetsu army to be stronger. It's also why Spiral Zetsu linked with Yamato, after the White Zetsu army died.

Plus, Obito and Madara used White Zetsu arms and other parts as a way to replace their limbs and gain mokuton control. Remember Obito lost his Zetsu arm while fighting Fuu and Torune and Madara took a white zetsu arm before becoming the Juubi Jin.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=21704265" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-21704265">Char Aznable said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> Yes. White Zetsu come from the Gedo Mazou and Madara and Obito made some from Hashi cells. It's why when Kabuto kidnapped Yamato, he was able to amp the White Zetsu army to be stronger. It's also why Spiral Zetsu linked with Yamato, after the White Zetsu army died. <br /> <br /> Plus, Obito and Madara used White Zetsu arms and other parts as a way to replace their limbs and gain mokuton control. Remember Obito lost his Zetsu arm while fighting Fuu and Torune and Madara took a white zetsu arm before becoming the Juubi Jin. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Is there any difference between white zetsu from gedo and the one's created by hashi cells? And what exactly was the reason from Yamato to strengthen White Zetsu? More Hashirama's DNA?</div>

 

[ninjarasengan]

Is there any difference between white zetsu from gedo and the one's created by hashi cells? And what exactly was the reason from Yamato to strengthen White Zetsu? More Hashirama's DNA?

The ones created by Hashi cells didn't exist...Madara was tricked into thinking he made zetsu's by Black zetsu. Later, Kabuto powered the Zetsu army up using Hashirama's cells.

Them seeming to be entirely composed of Hashirama's cells could be something like when Kabuto's body was being overtaken by Orochimaru Dna or whatever.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=21704310" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-21704310">ninjarasengan said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent"> The ones created by Hashi cells didn't exist...Madara was tricked into thinking he made zetsu's by Black zetsu. Later, Kabuto powered the Zetsu army up using Hashirama's cells.<br /> <br /> Them seeming to be entirely composed of Hashirama's cells could be something like when Kabuto's body was being overtaken by Orochimaru Dna or whatever. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Wait hold on... i dont understand. White Zetsu should be the people who was once in Mugen Tsukuyomi, and there were still some of the White Zetsu while Madara was still attached to statue. If Hashi cell/Zetsu's failed, then how come they made 10,000 of them?</div>

 

[Kakooli]

WTF!!!! a minamoto true identity!?!?