Is Sasuke .... Obito's EVIL project ??

[JIRAIYA perv]

Hey guys, am sure a lot of you were wondering about this like me so i would like to hear what you all think and of course i might have missed something but that's why your input is welcome *_*.
remember that Obito's loyalty is only to the eye moon plan (not to the uchiha's or anyone else). So why was he concerned about Sasuke's progress (and told Naruto that he can play with Sasuke later after the showdown between Sasuke and Danzo) ?? why did he take Sasuke under his wing and gave him itachi's eyes ??

There are three possible answers to this question, so lets explore them (blue answer is the point of this thread) :

- He might have wanted Sasuke to become strong enough so he can do what Obito failed to do (destroy the leaf) BUT, when Obito started focusing on Sasuke he was fully consumed with achieving the EMP and his plan didn't require the destruction of the leaf, actually destroying the leaf would be a waste of time and effort at that time (pointless).

- He might have wanted to keep Sasuke close to him so he doesn't get influenced by anyone else and get in Obito's way BUT, if that's the case then Obito could have simply killed Sasuke at any time and he had a LOT of opportunities to do that so this answer is the dummest (sorry lol).

- He mentioned before that Naruto and Sasuke's final showdown is like a destined fight (that happened twice before) so maybe he is just preparing Sasuke (creating his Frankenstein). witch raises a bigger question, WHAT'S IN IT FOR OBITO ?? he didn't even use Sasuke's power in the war ..... so could this be a second crazy PROJECT ?? (other than the EMP).

Now putting Obito's motives aside (still a mystery), it also makes you wonder ..... what is he trying to make out of Sasuke ?? coz this could really be something we haven't seen before (not a Rinnegan or anything like that). We still don't know everything about this universe and it's secrets ..... and Sasuke's position in the story is becoming VERY INTERESTING.

We all kept thinking that no one is truly evil in this series and that the villains were simply "VICTIMS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES" so they are all trying to achieve peace in their own way (except for Sasuke) but, after looking at where this story is heading, you MUST remember that we will have a final fight and that Sasuke will become more evil than ever (even if he questioned his actions now) to fit the "bad guy role", after all he represents darkness (cheesy ....) and will become completely consumed by it.

Just wanted to share my thoughts, What do you think ??

 

[Draphsin]

I think obito had plans for sasuke, as shown when he's talking to zetsu about merging him with the gedo statue, (maybe he wanted him to gain the rinnegan so that he could take nagato's place in reviving madara). But anyways, all of that got thrown out the window when kabuto edo'd madara. thats why obito went to the battlefield, because he knew that he would have to carry out the plan on his own. Then that backfired too (kinda) when madara broke free and is now able to become the juubis host again. So obito's plan has boiled down to a struggle for power between obito and madara and i think that will be their downfall rather than the SA or the hokage.

Sorry i kinda went off topic, point is he doesnt need sasuke anymore, which is why chapter 592 is called "the third power" because sasuke is his own faction again.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

They said Obito wanted Sasuke as Madara's replacement to cast the genjutsu of Mugen Tsukoyomi, hence pushing him to acquire EMS for the job. His plans got botched by Edo Madara's revival though.

 

[Arugon]

Sasuke just can't keep the pedophiles away...

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I think obito had plans for sasuke, as shown when he's talking to zetsu about merging him with the gedo statue, (maybe he wanted him to gain the rinnegan so that he could take nagato's place in reviving madara). But anyways, all of that got thrown out the window when kabuto edo'd madara. thats why obito went to the battlefield, because he knew that he would have to carry out the plan on his own. Then that backfired too (kinda) when madara broke free and is now able to become the juubis host again. So obito's plan has biled down to a struggle for power between obito and madara and i think that will be their downfall rather than the SA or the hokage

hmmm ... very interesting, "a struggle for power between obito and madara and i think that will be their downfall". actually i agree 100 % with this.

 

[BazzBee]

Obito replaced Nagato with Sasuke

 

[GreyWizard93]

i liked what i read.

its just, sasuke loves itachi and obito was pretty much the cause of itachis sacrifice.

obito summoned the 9 tails upon konoha. > everyone blames uchiha > which lead to itachis sacrifice.

SO when sasuke learns that obito was the cause of this all, he will not help obito in anyway.

 

[BazzBee]

I think obito had plans for sasuke, as shown when he's talking to zetsu about merging him with the gedo statue, (maybe he wanted him to gain the rinnegan so that he could take nagato's place in reviving madara). But anyways, all of that got thrown out the window when kabuto edo'd madara. thats why obito went to the battlefield, because he knew that he would have to carry out the plan on his own. Then that backfired too (kinda) when madara broke free and is now able to become the juubis host again. So obito's plan has boiled down to a struggle for power between obito and madara and i think that will be their downfall rather than the SA or the hokage.

Sorry i kinda went off topic, point is he doesnt need sasuke anymore, which is why chapter 592 is called "the third power" because sasuke is his own faction again.

Well obito has the rinnegan so cant he revive madara ?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

They said Obito wanted Sasuke as Madara's replacement to cast the genjutsu of Mugen Tsukoyomi, hence pushing him to acquire EMS for the job. His plans got botched by Edo Madara's revival though.

Obito replaced Nagato with Sasuke

hmmm .... why ?? Obito STARTED focusing on sasuke (when itachi died) BEFORE nagato died (before nagato betrayed them). so why would he want to replace nagato before that ??

 

[ssiddiq78]

I dont really care about sasuke anymore.

 

[GreyWizard93]

I dont really care about sasuke anymore.

then why comment on a thread in relation with him??

 

[Draphsin]

Well obito has the rinnegan so cant he revive madara ?

Thats why i said its a struggle for power. Obito wanted the rinnegan so he can use the jinjuriki in battle. Now that madara is here he expects obito to sacrifice his life in order to make him mortal, therefore able to become the host. However, as we've seen obito is not too fond of that idea, thus creating the power struggle (they both wanna host the juubi)

hmmm .... why ?? Obito STARTED focusing on sasuke (when itachi died) BEFORE nagato died (before nagato betrayed them). so why would he want to replace nagato before that ??

Maybe he just wanted sasuke's eyes at that point, remember he had a stockpile and no EMS eyes in his collection, he even remarked on sasuke's eyes many times (one time commenting on his susanoo, saying that it was a rarity). He also showed particular interest in shisui's eye, and we already know how badly he wanted that one

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I dont really care about sasuke anymore.

oh welcome to NB *_*, and i have to admit that i don't like Sasuke but, his position in the story is the most interesting at the moment .... at least for me.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Maybe he just wanted sasuke's eyes at that point, remember he had a stockpile and no EMS eyes in his collection, he even remarked on sasuke's eyes many times (one time commenting on his susanoo, saying that it was a rarity). He also showed particular interest in shisui's eye, and we already know how badly he wanted that one

but when you look at all what's happening and the timing, it is kind of pointless (he is close to achieving the eye moon plan) and doing something like that is a bit too late (he is not gona use them) and all he needed for the war and the EMP were his sharingan and nagato's rinnegan ..... also making Sasuke stronger is not a good idea coz retrieving his eye's would be more difficult. what's the use of investing in sasuke's eyes before starting the war, when obito's goal is EMP ?? every body living in an illusion (no need for eyes there)

 

[Insidious Smile]

Obito is onto dat ass.

 

[Draphsin]

but when you look at all what's happening and the timing, it is kind of pointless (he is close to achieving the eye moon plan) and doing something like that is a bit too late (he is not gona use them) and all he needed for the war and the EMP were his sharingan and nagato's rinnegan ..... also making Sasuke stronger is not a good idea coz retrieving his eye's would be more difficult. what's the use of investing in sasuke's eyes before starting the war, when obito's goal is EMP ?? every body is living in an illusion (no need for eyes there)

The timing does fit if you think about it this way. When Itachi died obito became serious, he knew that now would be the time to explain the truth to sasuke. This would confuse him enough to make him believe most of what he said at the time. It was at this moment that i believe obito wanted sasuke's EMS, because he could use the extra power and an eye with ama is already rare (obito had an extra socket for spare eyes that he could izanagi if he was ever in a tough spot). This is also why I think obito sent sasuke on a mission right away (to get bee), he wanted to develop his MS a bit more

But then naruto throws a wrench in obitos plans (his words) by killing pein, this is when i believe that obito changed his mind and decided to use sasuke as a replacement, (by giving him the rinnegan. He could just tell sasuke that there is another way to obtain enough power to kill naruto for good).

And so after this you already know the rest, kabuto showed obito madara, then obito decided to grab nagato's rinnegan for himself....etc

 

[S A G E]

He needs somebody he can manipulate since most of the Akatsukis are dead. However I don't think Sasuke matters to him if he does make the moon eye plan a success.

 

[namikaze natsu]

Obito replaced Nagato with Sasuke

it dont think so...obito took an interest in Sasuke before nagato died, after itachi died

 

[fh99]

I think it all goes back to Madara , everyone in contact with that guy loses their mind somehow , I think possibly Madara has a gin jutsu or something to make people think the same way he does , remember how his brother gave him his eyes , honestly even a brother can't give up something like that , he could have maybe given him one eye but no he gave him both and why was Madara driven out of the village because he was calling out for way again , I think at that time his powers weren't enough to convince EVERYONE so he was driven out now look at obito , he's a harmless shinobi , he's more like naruto , when naruto met Nagato he didn't jump on and kill him although naruto KNEW kakkashi was dead because of him , naruto tried to reason with him and since obito is similar to naruto it would stand to reason that he should have confronted kakkashi instead he turned into this evil master mind , I think this power kind of goes from one person to the other , Obito met Nagato , Nagato became evil although Yahiko never wanted Nagato to become like that , Tobi then did the same for sasuke , remember when sasuke with orochimaru he only wanted to get stronger he was still good , when he met Tobi he immediately fell for his words , during the war when sasuke met itachi and moved away from Tobi he started to have some doubts . so that's my thoery that Madara has a power to turn people evil and naruto has one to turn them good since naruto removed the hatred from Nagato , Neji , Haku , Zabuza , Gaara , Kurama even had influence on A , Sai and tsunade .

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

If he is; it doesn't seem to be going well now at all(it was at first though), I bet Obito did not count on him reviving Orochimaru and the Hokages (especially Hashirama and Minato) to have a nice chat about the past..my bet is on: Sasuke being very pissed at Obito (but still not on Naruto's and Konoha's side) he will decide to kill Obito and also talk with Madara.