Is RSM immune to ninjutsu?

[Dantee]

Bottom line is the Juubi is NOT IMMUNE to ninjutsu because Sasuke used ninjutsu to slice madara in half ( or did you miss it?). The scan you keep showing utilizes Six Path Power.

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Sasuke-Six Paths Chakra

indeed i agree with you

 

[NarutoX28]

He tanked it with durability and brought back the tsb to put out the fire.
I don't need to "refute what you said".
It's confirmed manga facts that gudodamas have onmyoudon.
You are the one with the theory, therefore, he burden of proof is on you, not me.

Basically, scans or it didn't happen.

Present me a scan that indicates that Juubito had any visible forms of damage.

If you can't present a scan, then Omyoudon can indeed be applied as an extension to his actual body.

Never denied Gudoudamas had Onmyoudon. It's you who's putting words in my mouth.

 

[Jokule67]

TSB is not Omnyoudon.

Omnyoudon is simply aplied to it like Senjutsu is applied to other techniques.


Naruto knows how to manifest TSB. The question is whether or not he can use Omnyoudon.

That particular answer does not have an answer in the manga. But when it comes to all juubi jin being immune to ninjutsu, clearly they are not.

 

[NarutoX28]

Bottom line is the Juubi is NOT IMMUNE to ninjutsu because Sasuke used ninjutsu to slice madara in half ( or did you miss it?). The scan you keep showing utilizes Six Path Power.

Naruto-Six Paths Sage Chakra
Sasuke-Six Paths Chakra

Six Paths Chakra contains Natural Energy.

Because of this, Sasuke's Ninjutsu when amplified by his own Six Paths Power managed to bypass Onmyoudon. If you want to use an outlier to suggest that Juubi Jin while using Onmyoudon aren't immune to Ninjutsu, then be my guest.

I was referring to Ninjutsu in general which in this case, you have no evidence to refute my statement.

 

[Dantee]

Six Paths Chakra contains Natural Energy.

Because of this, Sasuke's Ninjutsu when amplified by his own Six Paths Power managed to bypass Onmyoudon. If you want to use an outlier to suggest that Juubi Jin while using Onmyoudon aren't immune to Ninjutsu, then be my guest.

I was referring to Ninjutsu in general which in this case, you have no evidence to refute my statement.

It's more like yin power for the rinnegan. It's the reason Sasuke can manifest his chakra into Susanoo and do other things.

 

[Jokule67]

Six Paths Chakra contains Natural Energy.

Because of this, Sasuke's Ninjutsu when amplified by his own Six Paths Power managed to bypass Onmyoudon. If you want to use an outlier to suggest that Juubi Jin while using Onmyoudon aren't immune to Ninjutsu, then be my guest.

I was referring to Ninjutsu in general which in this case, you have no evidence to refute my statement.

Yes I do have proof. SASUKE SLICED MADARA WITH A NORMAL CHIDORI. IT WASNT BLACK. NO SIX PATHS INFLUENCE. Is that enough proof for you?

 

[NarutoX28]

Yes I do have proof. SASUKE SLICED MADARA WITH A NORMAL CHIDORI. IT WASNT BLACK. NO SIX PATHS INFLUENCE. Is that enough proof for you?

There was a black outline.

His Chidori was manipulated into a blade, but it still resembles this:

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Which only has black outlines and was stated to have had Six Paths Chakra in it.

You still haven't refuted this, so my point still stands.

 

[Dantee]

That particular answer does not have an answer in the manga. But when it comes to all juubi jin being immune to ninjutsu, clearly they are not.

It does have an answer. Y

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Right after Juubito was hit directly they realized he was using OMyoudon. Ninjutsu has no effect on him while using it. TSBs werent a dominant factor.

 

[LordGamatatsu]

Present me a scan that indicates that Juubito had any visible forms of damage.

If you can't present a scan, then Omyoudon can indeed be applied as an extension to his actual body.

Never denied Gudoudamas had Onmyoudon. It's you who's putting words in my mouth.

Present me a scan that indicates that Juubito had any visible forms of damage.

If you can't present a scan, then Omyoudon can indeed be applied as an extension to his actual body.

Never denied Gudoudamas had Onmyoudon. It's you who's putting words in my mouth.

I am not putting words in your mouth.
When I first replied to you, you were replying to someone who said that the gudodamas nulify ninjutsu, not the Jin, to which you replied that the Jin does indeed nulify ninjutsu.
There is nothing that indicates that the jins have onmyoudon, just high durability.
Obito didn't take any damage because he is very durable as a JJ, but if he didn't use the TSBs the flames would keep burning.
If tanking something means having onmyoudon, then I guess doton domu is onmyoudon as well.

 

[NarutoX28]

I am not putting words in your mouth.
When I first replied to you, you were replying to someone who said that the gudodamas nulify ninjutsu, not the Jin, to which you replied that the Jin does indeed nulify ninjutsu.

And I'm also replying to someone who thinks Onmyoudon can't be applied as an extension of your body. I'm merely refuting that Juubi Jin can indeed nullify ninjutsu with their own body as long as they apply Onmyoudon.

There is nothing that indicates that the jins have onmyoudon, just high durability.
Obito didn't take any damage because he is very durable as a JJ, but if he didn't use the TSBs the flames would keep burning.
If tanking something means having onmyoudon, then I guess doton domu is onmyoudon as well.

TSB's when applied with Onmyoudon nullify ninjutsu by erasing it yet it did not do so against Senjutsu. It's because of that observation that Naruto opted to attack Juubito with a Senjutsu Enhanced Rasengan in the first place. If Onmyoudon was only applicable to his TSB, then that observation made by both Naruto and Tobirama would've been worthless.

From what's shown in the manga, TSB with Onmyoudon erases ninjutsu. Onmyoudon when applied as an extension of your body doesn't erase ninjutsu, but merely nullifies the effect ninjutsu has on their body.

 

[LordGamatatsu]

And I'm also replying to someone who thinks Onmyoudon can't be applied as an extension of your body. I'm merely refuting that Juubi Jin can indeed nullify ninjutsu with their own body as long as they apply Onmyoudon.



TSB's when applied with Onmyoudon nullify ninjutsu by erasing it yet it did not do so against Senjutsu. It's because of that observation that Naruto opted to attack Juubito with a Senjutsu Enhanced Rasengan in the first place. If Onmyoudon was only applicable to his TSB, then that observation made by both Naruto and Tobirama would've been worthless.

From what's shown in the manga, TSB with Onmyoudon erases ninjutsu. Onmyoudon when applied as an extension of your body doesn't erase ninjutsu, but merely nullifies the effect ninjutsu has on their body.

So how did Tobirama physically touch Juubito, not once, but twice?
And how come he was able to mark him with hiraishin if his body nullifies ninjutsu?

 

[Jokule67]

There was a black outline.

His Chidori was manipulated into a blade, but it still resembles this:

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Which only has black outlines and was stated to have had Six Paths Chakra in it.

You still haven't refuted this, so my point still stands.

No it is a NORMAL CHIDORI SWORD. If it was six paths it would be totally black. It is even blue in the anime.

Six Paths is Not Nature Energy. There is a distinct difference thats why Naruto's is labeled Six Paths Sage Chakra.

 

[Jokule67]

So how did Tobirama physically touch Juubito, not once, but twice?
And how come he was able to mark him with hiraishin if his body nullifies ninjutsu?

Here is another example of why the Juubi jin is not immune to ninjutsu. Thank you sir you soloed this thread

 

[NarutoX28]

So how did Tobirama physically touch Juubito, not once, but twice?
And how come he was able to mark him with hiraishin if his body nullifies ninjutsu?

Simple, his Gudoudama when Onmyoudon is applied erases ninjutsu whereas Onmyoudon when applied to your body's exterior only nullifies ninjutsu by granting immunity to it. Him nullifying ninjutsu doesn't mean erasing it, but rather rendering ninjutsu useless.

You still can't refute why Senjutsu and Taijutsu was considered the only thing to be effective against Juubi Jin.

 

[Jokule67]

Simple, his Gudoudama when Onmyoudon is applied erases ninjutsu whereas Onmyoudon when applied to your body's exterior only nullifies ninjutsu by granting immunity to it. Him nullifying ninjutsu doesn't mean erasing it, but rather rendering ninjutsu useless.

You still can't refute why Senjutsu and Taijutsu was considered the only thing to be effective against Juubi Jin.

If what you say is true then the Mark would not work on him AT ALL. But omyoudon is not in the juubi body. It is utilized through the orbs.

 

[LordGamatatsu]

Simple, his Gudoudama when Onmyoudon is applied erases ninjutsu whereas Onmyoudon when applied to your body's exterior only nullifies ninjutsu by granting immunity to it. Him nullifying ninjutsu doesn't mean erasing it, but rather rendering ninjutsu useless.

You still can't refute why Senjutsu and Taijutsu was considered the only thing to be effective against Juubi Jin.

You can't change the mechanics of techniques to fit your fanfic m8.
They were considered the only ways because they are the only things that would work against the tsb.

So anyway, according to your fanfic, since physical attacks work on a jj, if Tobirama punched obito in the face, would he take any damage? The attack is physical, but edo tensei is ninjutsu.
Why did obito use his gudodama to block Sasuke's amaterasu the first time he used it?
There was never a single word said about "nullifying the effects ninjutsu has on the body" in the manga.
Take your fanfic somewhere else, kid.

 

[Jokule67]

Omnyoudon is supposed to turn ninjutsu into NOTHING. However Tobirama touched Obito twice and also marked him. If Omnyoudon were throughout his body the mark would dissipate and no edo tensei could touch him. Tobirama told 4th not to touch the BLACK ORBS. @ NarutoX28 please re read the manga please for goodness sake

 

[Jokule67]

Notice how when sasuke attacked madara. He did not block with goudodama and got sliced in half. Omnyoudon is used through the orbs only. Not through the body. Juubi Jins just have high resistance to chakra below there own. Like DBZ power levels.

Once sasuke upgraded he sliced madara with a blue chidori. He does not use senjutsu. Therefore

1. Juubi Jins Immunity are provided by the Orbs.
2. Juubi Jins bodies do NOT have omnyoudon.

Both I and LordGamatatsu have provided 2 scenarios of Ninjutsu working on both Juubi Jins bodies.

 

[NarutoX28]

You can't change the mechanics of techniques to fit your fanfic m8.
They were considered the only ways because they are the only things that would work against the tsb.

I'm not changing the mechanics of the technique.

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What is stated is that techniques based on Onmyoudon turns ninjutsu into nothing. That never implied that Onmyoudon used as an extension of your body does the same thing as your body itself, cannot be a technique.

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Hell, it seems you're denying the manga. It was the fact that Juubito withstood the attack with no visible damage that Minato made the statement of him having the power of his dreams. Likewise, Tobirama also stated that hitting him has no effect.

It seems you're dodging my points though. If you truly want to make an argument, then tell me why Naruto and Tobirama observed that Onmyoudon didn't enable him to nullify Senjutsu and thus used that same observation and applied it to actually damaging his body. If Onmyoudon wasn't applied to his body, that observation would've been pointless as TSB's vulnerability to Senjutsu wouldn't have applied to Juubito's actual body.

So anyway, according to your fanfic, since physical attacks work on a jj, if Tobirama punched obito in the face, would he take any damage? The attack is physical, but edo tensei is ninjutsu.

He would take damage if the attack was strong enough as Taijutsu and Senjutsu was implied to be the only thing to be effective as stated here:

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Note how Minato words it was, "Physical damage from Taijutsu." That in itself implies Minato was referring to damaging Juubidara's actual body here.

Why did obito use his gudodama to block Sasuke's amaterasu the first time he used it?

He used it to "douse" the flames. He likely brought it back to him because it's his signature ability. That doesn't refute the fact that Minato and Tobirama made their statement after Juubito tanked the attack with no visible damage.

There was never a single word said about "nullifying the effects ninjutsu has on the body" in the manga.
Take your fanfic somewhere else, kid.

There doesn't have to be unless you need everything outright stated to you.

Fortunately for me, I brought statements proving my point.

 

[NarutoX28]

Notice how when sasuke attacked madara. He did not block with goudodama and got sliced in half. Omnyoudon is used through the orbs only. Not through the body. Juubi Jins just have high resistance to chakra below there own. Like DBZ power levels.

Once sasuke upgraded he sliced madara with a blue chidori. He does not use senjutsu. Therefore

1. Juubi Jins Immunity are provided by the Orbs.
2. Juubi Jins bodies do NOT have omnyoudon.

Both I and LordGamatatsu have provided 2 scenarios of Ninjutsu working on both Juubi Jins bodies.

For god sake, how many times do I have to post the scan that proves Sasuke's Chidori Blade was enhanced by Six Paths Chakra?