okay I dont think pain made the rinnegan weak but I just think he never tap into it fullly power not taking anything away from Naruto or Jiraiya I believe the Rinnegan hade a lot more tricks & I just dont think Pain hade fully mastered the rinnegan such as the moon he created a small 1 when I believe the six path sage can make a even bigger 1
Is Rikudou Sennin the undisputed, strongest ninja to have lived?
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Correct to certain extent. Kishis says "the next generation will surpass the current one." But no one is able to surpass 1st & 4th hokage or Madara.
Even in real world, einstein came b4 us. Do that means you or me is smarter than him...Even 2days scientists have hard time in understanding his theories.
But still I agree to what you say, He was the first but that doesn't make him the strongest. reps+
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The Sage of the Six Paths IS Rikudou Sennin >_<
Also, Colonel; is there anyway you can convey your thoughts without making twenty posts in a row?
If todays scientists are having trouble understanding Einsteins theories, maybe he wasn't so smart afterall. Just got lucky with his e=mc2 and he was bluffing about his other theories. xd
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actually he can keep up with modern ninjas cuz modern ninjas like nagato couldnt copy hes jutsus with full potential... which means he is creator of ninjutsu all what modern ninja is doing trying to find something new and better but to have something good u need life force and physical energy thats why he was thinking that younger is the best fit to save the world besides of other who is gifted with chakra and spiritual energy...
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why he tought about this cuz he had everything what they had and he needed to pick the right side of him .... he knew the answer...
which means Rikudo Sennin is strongest ninja in past, now and he will be in future...
That was Jiraiya's theory but Nagato=/=Rikudou Sennin. Also your downplaying Nagato's strength when there are certain factors on why he was beaten but that's for another thread.
Heh maybe a little
but really because I've only made 3 threads since joining. One was a stupid question in Q+S section, a general thread in games section and this one. Thought I'd contribute to the forums some more Wait so creating the moon wouldn't make it the same size as the moon? Read that first link I posted again. Also we saw the 6 tails use one of his blast against Chibaku Tensei and it looked pathetic when it went head to head. Naturally a fully leashed Kyuubi would have the same effect on a fully powered Chibaku Tensei.
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I consider Nagato stronger then the 1st Hokage and we yet to see Madara abilities but we know he was beaten. With Nagato being a mere shadow of Rikudou Sennin who contained both clan traits it's fair to say he is on God tier. Minato was only Naruto's benchmark for obvious reasons such being his father, Kakashi's teacher and one he looked up to, and his legacy to live up to.
Someone needs to REPRESENT
Like I said, Nagato used the Rinnegan his way and could not wield it as well as Rikudou Sennin. Also Nagato was one of the strongest ninja alive. People have dismissed the Rinnegan because of the Naruto fight but we all know the various reasons on why Nagato didn't win.
'the next generation will surpass the current one' theme is bullshit. Kakashi didn't surpass Minato, no Uchica including Itachi have passed Madara and a prime Hiruzen still looks stronger then the Sannin. Kishi made alot of the old timers look a cut above the next generations. But like I said Nagato(new generation) who was stronger then most ninjas in this manga, admitted inferiority and Rikudou had the best eyes and body. He wasn't some old timer preaching his things.
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As Madara/Tobi/Whoever said, the Uchiha and Senju are descendants of Rikudou Sennin. They are both considered the strongest two clans in the Naruto world. Rikudou first split his power between the two, which automatically makes him stronger than both.
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That was Jiraiya's theory but Nagato=/=Rikudou Sennin. Also your downplaying Nagato's strength when there are certain factors on why he was beaten but that's for another thread.
Heh maybe a little
Wait so creating the moon wouldn't make it the same size as the moon? Read that first link I posted again. Also we saw the 6 tails use one of his blast against Chibaku Tensei and it looked pathetic when it went head to head. Naturally a fully leashed Kyuubi would have the same effect on a fully powered Chibaku Tensei.
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I consider Nagato stronger then the 1st Hokage and we yet to see Madara abilities but we know he was beaten. With Nagato being a mere shadow of Rikudou Sennin who contained both clan traits it's fair to say he is on God tier. Minato was only Naruto's benchmark for obvious reasons such being his father, Kakashi's teacher and one he looked up to, and his legacy to live up to.
Someone needs to REPRESENT
Like I said, Nagato used the Rinnegan his way and could not wield it as well as Rikudou Sennin. Also Nagato was one of the strongest ninja alive. People have dismissed the Rinnegan because of the Naruto fight but we all know the various reasons on why Nagato didn't win.
'the next generation will surpass the current one' theme is bullshit. Kakashi didn't surpass Minato, no Uchica including Itachi have passed Madara and a prime Hiruzen still looks stronger then the Sannin. Kishi made alot of the old timers look a cut above the next generations. But like I said Nagato(new generation) who was stronger then most ninjas in this manga, admitted inferiority and Rikudou had the best eyes and body. He wasn't some old timer preaching his things.
I disagree. Kakashi and Minato are actually around the same age are they not? So they would be part of the same generation. Also Kakashi isn't Minato's replacement so there is no reason for him to surpass him. Naruto is going to be the one to surpass Minato. Also you have to remember that the new generation are still teenagers. The older characters you mentioned like the sannin and the 3rd are much older and have much more experience. Give it time and you'll see that the new generation always surpasses the old. If I had to guess, I would say Sasuke is going to end up defeating Madara.
i believe ur right in the manga it even said that the bloodlines thinned in time the senju and uchiha were just decendants and most likly did not have the same amount of power as there ancestors had plus the six paths had the body and the eyes so im going with the six paths
loz. you missed my point completely. I just said whole theme of new gens surpassing prev gen. is bullshit. No one surpassed 1st, 3rd and 4th hokage. No one after 3 sannins paralleled their sterngths. Madara was and is still invincible...
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I do find it strange that Rikudou Sennin is shown in his death bed when "his time came." With Orochimaru and Madara finding a path to immortality, I would think it only natural that "the strongest of all" could preserve his own life. Unless his power was dispersed throughout the ninja world, in which case, yeah, he is the strongest.
How can the sharingan, a washed out eye jutsu beat the doujutsu which created it? Seriously we know Pain was undefeated up until naruto. We also know if Pain wanted to kill naruto he could have. Lets not mistake Nagato dying as Naruto beating him. Your all seeming to forget he fought Kakashi, Chouza, and many other ninja first, then he destroyed the leaf before even fighting Naruto. Then he had him on his way to the home base until the 9 tailed fox was released. Seriously don't think for a minute in a life or death battle shadow clones and the rasenshuriken could honestly beat Pain when Pain could have already have killed Naruto. If it wasn't for the 9tails which made killing him out of the question, then Naruto would be gone and death after gedo mazou was done extracting the tailed beast from him. We see that rinnegan has the powers of the byakugan when Pain first breaks into konoha and its known that he could use any jutsu that he wanted. Remember that all ninja techniques came from the rinnegan even the various bloodline traits. You cant believe that the doujutsu which founded the whole ninja system could have been beat by a watered down version of itself do you? Remember on thing in a life or death fight Naruto would have already have been killed. Pain was undefeated, even Madara said so and he must have either fought him or seen him fight to know how strong Pain is. Also if Pain was needed by Madara for his powers to be restored then obviously Pain could do things that Madara couldn't do himself. We see Pain about to use a teleportation jutsu right before Hinata comes in trying to fight him. We dont even know justu how strong Tendo was let alone the rest of the bodies. I suggest you re-read the manga so you know just how strong the Rinnegan is and why its power is called a tool from heaven and why its master as claimed to be a myth.
I think Minato is at least 5-10 years older then Kakashi so not exactly in the same generation. How many ninja's from Kakashi's generation have surpassed the Sannin, White Fang generation? How many ninja's from any generation have surpassed Rikudou Sennin? Has Tsunade surpassed her grandfather? It's really only selective for certain characters.
I can't remember who said it, but someone said that 'no one is truly immortal' or something close. Rikudou Sennin was a priest and Orochimaru, Madara, Kakuza's method of immortal have all shown to be immoral and against the natural law of the world and similar techniques most likely would've conflicted with his beliefs. He probably accepted his death but left his legacy with his sons to carry on his will.
Preach the word man! Preach it!
you missed joke...
A generation isn't 5-10 years... Generation (from the Greek γενεά genea), also known as procreation, is the act of producing offspring. It is important to distinguish between familial and cultural generations. A familial generation is defined as the average time between a mother's first offspring and her daughter's first offspring. The generation length is 25.2 years in the United States as of 2007 and 27.4 years in the United Kingdom as of 2004. So Kakashi's generation is the same as the Minato's. Wikipedia <3
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I agree.
Moreover, Naruto didnt fight Pein at full power.
God realm was disabled.
Naruto never would've defeated Pein with 6 bodies active.
You take the term generation in Naruto too literally. Most of the time it's applied in the Teacher/student manner with Kakashi suggesting Naruto will pass himself even though he's only 14 years older then Naruto. The lifespan of the shinobi in the Narutoverse are fairly short. Like I said though, there's already a number of cases where this theme doesn't gel properly.
Sorry I had to bump this thread up but with this lastest chapter, there is no doubt that Rikudou Sennin is the undisputed, strongest ninja to have lived.
He is a genius and I'd argue of higher level then Minato and Itachi. Regardless of the fact if he had the Rinnegan before the Juubi confrontation or after sealing within himself, he was able to create a sealing method against an entity with chakra levels greater then the 9 beasts and did so w/o killing himself through the death god like Minato. In fact, he sealed this wicked creature within himself and decided to bear the burden of keeping the world safe and I'll assume continued teaching and spreading his ninjutsu's ideology throughout the world. With him being the Juubi Jinchūriki and possessing the Rinnegan there has never been an equal. He literally created a Chibaku Tensei that became the home of the Juubi and known as the Moon. It's obvious why Nagato was in awe of this accomplishment because his own Chibaku Tensei would've looked like a dot in comparison. I'll try creating a scale drawing to see how ridiculous this fact is. Not too mentioned there must be a massive somewhere in the world LOL. Then he has had to launch this massive rock out of the world's atmosphere. I don't know if you can picture that but that's pretty much DBZ level. Rikudou Sennin is the closest thing to the DBZ power-scale and that's saying alot
He is a genius and I'd argue of higher level then Minato and Itachi. Regardless of the fact if he had the Rinnegan before the Juubi confrontation or after sealing within himself, he was able to create a sealing method against an entity with chakra levels greater then the 9 beasts and did so w/o killing himself through the death god like Minato. In fact, he sealed this wicked creature within himself and decided to bear the burden of keeping the world safe and I'll assume continued teaching and spreading his ninjutsu's ideology throughout the world. With him being the Juubi Jinchūriki and possessing the Rinnegan there has never been an equal. He literally created a Chibaku Tensei that became the home of the Juubi and known as the Moon. It's obvious why Nagato was in awe of this accomplishment because his own Chibaku Tensei would've looked like a dot in comparison. I'll try creating a scale drawing to see how ridiculous this fact is. Not too mentioned there must be a massive somewhere in the world LOL. Then he has had to launch this massive rock out of the world's atmosphere. I don't know if you can picture that but that's pretty much DBZ level. Rikudou Sennin is the closest thing to the DBZ power-scale and that's saying alot
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