[Discussion] Is Obama a good or bad president?

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Like I said - I can only show someone what is plainly written on the wall.



And you don't think I roll my eyes at certain narratives?



You mean the media that got thrills up its leg while Obama campaigned and gave Obama a nobel peace prize for what he had not yet done?

The media has a long history of getting off while being skull ****ed into asphyxiation-induced coma when it comes to Obama. Even Fox news gets in on the action.



The media has tolerated absolutely abhorrent abuses by this administration and it has gotten so bad that even they are unable to avoid discussing how they are used and abused.





Please show me where I said this.

This is a very narrow view of the idea of "infiltrate" and I actually address Obama's domestic goals later on - which do not include control of the U.S. but an invalidation of its ability to project foreign influence via instigation of a civil war.



And why would they do that when they can run their campaign on "I am not Obama?"

They have been playing this game for decades - swapping power back and forth. The Republicans will oppose the Democrats creating certain programs and expanding government spending on the microphone but when they have control of all three branches, they simply change, slightly, how the money is spent and argue that the Democrats were simply misguided in how to spend the money.

Likewise, many of these politicians don't see what is written plainly on the wall because they are viewing it from an internal perspective. Many of them have connections to these Muslim Brotherhood operatives, as well. That isn't to say they are "part of the agenda" - but that they have been led to believe these 'experts' and 'consultants' are giving sound advice. It's kind of like asking people who have lived in DC their entire life if they realized that the streets all arrange as a pentagram. Many won't put it together even when looking at a map of their city, looking for directions or what-not.

It's only when properly prompted and provided the perspective that they will piece the obvious together and realize that it is, indeed, shaped like a pentagram.



Now who is running off on a conspiracy theory?

What evidence do you have that Bachmann is involved in piecing anything together?

She's a politician. Someone brought it to her attention and she jumped aboard - perhaps fully realizing what she was getting onboard with, perhaps it was just a catchy name. These people often rely upon staffers to tell them what they are signing.



So you see one reference to Bachmann and suddenly believe it's all about her?

Here is the real question:

Would you have mentioned Bachmann at all had I not included that portion of the quote?

I considered it, because I knew exactly what you'd do with it. But, in the end, I decided to have faith in the ability of people to look beyond partisan politics and see the real issue beneath the names.



You are telling a dragon that he does not recognize a narcissist?



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"SCHULTZ: First of all you walk into the White House, in the West Wing, and there are picture all over, I mean everywhere! Of President Obama! I mean, of his life in the first year as president of the United States. Now I don't know if that's the way it is with every president, but it was almost a shrine. I mean, well, here's a picture of Obama the president with his kids over here. There he is getting on Air Force One. Here he is with some military people. Here he is on the line working the line at one of his campaign stops. I mean, just, it was just one picture after another! (laughs)

And so I got the message right away that there's nothing but Obama fans in the White House which I think is a good thing. 'Cause it's always good to have the team together, right? (laughs)"






There is a long, long history of Obama celebrating things with a picture of Barack Obama.

Martin Luther King Jr. Day?

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Barack Obama.

Superbowl Halftime?



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Barack Obama.

Valentine's Day?



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Barack Obama (Oh... and Michelle is kind of there, too... It's -ALMOST- like the two can stand to be in the same room together).

Constitution Day?



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Barack Obama.



It's amazing where all this man inserts himself.

"But, Aim, that's not all him - it's also his staff that manage those pages."

And he allows them to do it.

He wants to be worshiped. That's all there is to it.



And yet he still can't wash his own love for himself out of his demeanor.



You need to watch the video, consisting of quotes of Barack Obama, and then realize the error in opening your mouth as quickly as you did.

You state he lives like a Christian?

How?

Reinforce that claim.

The man, himself, praised his own Muslim upbringing and has recited Arabic calls to prayers.

You also need to read exactly what I said. I did not say he was a Muslim. He is a narcissist who follows the god of Himself. That said - he is sympathetic to the Muslim perspective and their agendas largely because of his upbringing.



*shrug*

We were correct about Obama siding with Iran and signing a deal that allows them to continue enriching Uranium.

We were correct in our assessments that Obama would withdraw from Iraq, release Guantanamo detainees, and we were absolutely correct in what would happen in Iraq as a result. We were also correct in what Obama's response would be.

We have warned of the dangers of arming the Syrian rebels and that warning has played out in full.

You can insist that I am making connections that don't exist - but it's allowed us to predict Obama's entire second term in office.



This is widely known by people who listen to the radio and who browse outside of CNN and NBC news sources. Even Fox has dared to include the assertions from time to time (although Fox will never seriously engage any political candidate - Fox exists merely to placate those with conservative leanings by actually allowing coverage of the claims against liberal candidates, but none of the institutions actually engage in a factual analysis; they will cover the argument, but not actually try to investigate who has credibility).

You have to understand that the media does not have time to get into an in-depth analysis of what is actually going on. They are there to catch your attention for fifteen to thirty seconds at a time when you sit down for your lunch break at work for fifteen minutes (the average cycle length of televised news). They are never going to give any kind of detailed analysis of much of anything.

Even three-hour talk radio programs have difficulty working the full depth of these connections into their framework. They have soft and hard breaks, the need to take callers, the limits of their own research into the issue, and the difference between the written and vocal mediums (vocal communication processes differently than written in the brain and it requires 'translation' to optimize between the two).

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As you can see - it's a fairly standard opinion and analysis of Obama.

But, like I said - the default American response has always been "wait for the next guy."



The list is long, but distinguished:



A little snippet:

"ITEM: Executive Branch malfeasance and impeding the administration of justice by preventing the U.S. Department of Justice from investigating crimes committed for the direct benefit of the President by presidential associates including: voter intimidation at the hands of the New Black Panthers and ACORN election fraud, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3, and U.S. Criminal Code Section 135, (Comp. St. § 10305);

ITEM: Direct mobilizing and funding of mob violence, sedition and insurrection, as witnessed in Wisconsin, by the President’s own reelection campaign group Organizing for America, and including open statements of incitement to the insurrection by the President himself, in violation of U.S.Penal Code, Chapter 115, Section 2383;

ITEM: Executive Branch usurpation of lawmaking powers voiding duly enacted legislation of Congress by improperly preventing the U.S. Department of Justice from defending established Federal law – specifically the Defense of Marriage Act, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3;

ITEM: Adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, as witnessed by consorting with, supporting and installing to powerful Federal positions persons who in writing, word and deed have called for and promoted the overthrow of America’s constitutionally guaranteed Republican form of government, and the overthrow of the United States Constitution; including but not limited to William Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Cass Sunstein, John Holdren, Van Jones, Dalia Mogahed, Harold Koh, and Eric Holder, in violation of U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section IV and U.S. Penal Code, Section 2385. "




No attempt to impeach Obama has been made.



Would we have free will if socialism was the doctrine of the wise?



Obama has continually acted exactly as if he does think precisely in this manner.

You and I both know that if it were so easy to prove a man's allegiances, then et tu Brutte would not be a famous quote.



Again, where am I saying this?

The federalization of the police force by using discrimination lawsuits is a documented trend in American Law Enforcement:



"However, other forms of federal litigation have also emerged. In 1994, Congress granted the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division the authority to bring civil lawsuits against police agencies that have demonstrated a “pattern or practice” that results in illegal or unconstitutional behavior. Both Democratic and Republican administrations have used this mechanism to force compliance with federal authority and Constitutional mandates.

Departments in Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, Detroit, and Buffalo — to name a few — have all either entered into consent decrees or signed a memorandum of agreement to avoid litigation. These decrees have stipulated federal monitoring for varying periods (typically two to five years) that give the department time to comply.

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The second mechanism of federal intervention is through the use of federal grant money, which in turn demands that receiving departments comply with federal standards of implementation and accountability.

During his campaign for the White House, then-Candidate Obama pledged, as part of his urban renewal efforts, to increase funding for local law enforcement agencies through the DoJ’s Community Oriented Policing (COPS) grant program. The purpose of the infusion of taxpayer dollars was to “combat crime” and “address police brutality and accountability.”

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These conclusions suggest that federal dollars for local policing have more to do with control via “accountability” than crime reduction. The new Administration included one billion dollars in the stimulus package to hire 7,000 new officers in 2009 and 2010. In April 2009, the House pledged an additional $1.8 billion over the next five years to provide 50,000 federally paid local officers. In June 2010, the President warned federal lawmakers that without further stimulus funds, police layoffs would be inevitable. In other words, over time the federal government will be paying the cost of tens of thousands of police officers nationwide. These numbers reflect a growing dependency on federal dollars for local law enforcement needs, something that then Senator Biden wanted to make permanent."


There is no need to -create- a case like Brown.

In a nation with nearly one million sworn officers, one of them is bound to be white and is bound to shoot a black man, somewhere, in a case that is hazy and controversial.

This is why Sharpton, Jackson, and Holder are important. Sharpton keeps the racist drumline beating while Jackson cruises for individual cases to amp up and Holder threatens the law enforcement agencies with the hassle of meticulous federal investigations, the cease of federal funding, and the consequence of lawsuits.

Now - let's compile that with some interesting tidbits:



"Among those appearing with Obama was Shabazz, the Panther leader who was one of the defendants in the voter intimidation case that Attorney General Eric Holder dismissed. Also present was the Panthers’ “Minister of War,” Najee Muhammed, who had called for murdering Dekalb County, Georgia, police officers with AK-47’s and then mocking their widows."

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"This is who President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder are. Members of the New Black Panther Party are people they not only relate to, but stand by at all costs. This is exactly why they've turned Ferguson into a race case with zero evidence to prove their claims. This is why Ferguson is so important to them and despite what the majority in the media would have Americans believe, these associations greatly matter and provide the context for the actions of Obama and Holder moving forward. "

Again, there is more in these links - I do not quote them in their entirety because my posts are already obscenely long enough.

I leave the links so that people may get an idea of what is contained in them - I do not quote the entirety out of habit (I used to be part of forums that forbid longer than three paragraphs out of copyright/plagiarism concerns) and because it is often unnecessary for making my point.



"Around 40 New Black Panther Party members took to the streets of Austin, Texas to condemn recent killings of black civilians. Armed with high caliber weapons, they said they aimed to patrol their own communities and encourage the taking up of arms.

The protest in the state capital of Texas on Monday coincided with the SXSW (South by Southwest) festival, which celebrates music and film. However the heavily-armed New Black Panther members, who were carrying Kalashnikov rifles and AR-15’s caught the attention of many, as they chanted songs in their display of force.

Showing off their weapons was not the main reason for them marching along the streets. The movement was protesting the deaths of a number of unarmed black people, such as teenager Michael Brown and Eric Garner, whom they believe were the results of police brutality."


A little bet between you and me:

I am willing to bet that Obama tips his hand in favor of these groups as "Community Partners" in "serving the community."

I imagine he will also attempt to use the DoJ to fund these groups as part of a "coherent strategy" to "combat domestic violence."

Thus - there will be a "police force representative of the community."

This may not be while Obama is President... it may be in his final year of Presidency... it may be within the next month.

What isn't important is that it actually -works-. What is important is that it triggers a rejection of the New Black Panthers as a valid authority. This will be used as the basis for prevalent racism and essentially create a virtual Palestinian Authority within America existing within predominantly black regions with higher poverty rates.

The goal is to trigger outrage that can easily be skewed as "white racism" that will cause blacks (particularly younger blacks) to self-isolate and entrench themselves in "black culture."

This will effectively create a set of circumstances nearly identical to Palestine in Israel and lead to a similar pattern of behavior.

Which is precisely the goal.

Again - I admit this is speculation on my part (which I can reinforce with some further evidence for how I have made these inferences); and in this case, the only thing we can do is wait to see who is correct.



You wanted to know why I believed Obama is the most horrible, dangerous, and destructive president in American history.

I provided the basis for my claims and the physical evidence to back them up based upon Obama's history and pattern of behavior.

You are free to disagree, but the future does not belong to the blind.



Son, it is inherent in the nature of inferring another one's intent that you are only able to speculate based on inference as the true thoughts and motives of another are always unknowable.

However, if you pay attention to how others act, what they say, and what they do - you can get a good idea of how they are most likely to think and what it is that they are likely to regard as valuable. Some are born with a natural gift for it - others are trained in the arts of analyzing the minds of people through their work.

You asked why some people think I'm one of the smartest people on The Base (I believe it was you - perhaps it was another).



Before there was Kaguya - there was A Destiny Entwined that predicted her existence.

Before there was "The Last" - there was A Destiny Entwined that broke down Kishimoto's understanding of Naruto and Hinata's relationship and inferred that they were conceived as a destined pair.

Then Kishimoto, himself, confirmed it.

Now - by no means am I saying that since I made the correct inference once - that I will always make other correct inferences. My theories are highly accurate in some areas and fall short in others. Some make inferences that can, perhaps, never be confirmed and many guess at what Kishimoto would have done if he had more time to articulate the plot as opposed to try and meet a weekly publication deadline.

This is simply one of my hobbies - reading through what people have said, what they have written, how they have acted (and how their characters behave if they are an author) - and then make inferences regarding their way of thinking and how that perspective will influence their future decisions.

Should I be correct - those who dismiss my analysis will find themselves the fool for not allowing for a proper understanding of it. Should I be incorrect - I will find myself the fool for having spent as much time as I have on it.



*ahem*



Note the date.

"Now what? If Obama gets a second term, what might be the next pro-American regime to fall? In my view, Saudi Arabia. If Obama is re-elected he could demand that the Saudi royal family put itself on the ballot against the Muslim Brotherhood. That is an election the Saudi royals would most likely lose. If that happens then the three most important countries in the Middle East (Iran, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia) would all be in the grip of the radical Muslims.

We are seeing in the region a powerful bid for the restoration of Islam as a global power. One Muslim Brotherhood official put it bluntly. What the radical Muslims seek, he said, is "a country called the United States of Islam." Remarkably this radical Muslim dream going back to the 1920s is now being advanced by President Obama, who seems to think it is somehow consonant with the dream from his father."




"“I think the biggest threats that they face may not be coming from Iran invading,” said Obama. “It’s going to be from dissatisfaction inside their own countries.”

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Obama explained he thinks “that our friends in the region, our traditional Sunni states, have some very real external threats, but they also have some internal threats.”

He highlighted the “threat” of “populations that, in some cases, are alienated, youth that are underemployed, an ideology that is destructive and nihilistic, and in some cases, just a belief that there are no legitimate political outlets for grievances.”

“And so,” Obama said, “part of our job is to work with these states and say, ‘How can we build your defense capabilities against external threats, but also, how can we strengthen the body politic in these countries, so that Sunni youth feel that they’ve got something other than [ISIS] to choose from?’ "


Confirmation of that one just broke a few hours ago.

Of course - the prediction and evidence is even older:



"Well, if we think back to Obama's now infamous 2002 Iraq War speech, the then-Illinois State Senator Obama clearly stated who the now-US President Obama believed were the real enemies of the United States that needed to be destroyed. In 2002, three years before Obama was even a US Senator Obama told the world what Obama really thought of Mubarak of Egypt, and the Kings of Saudi Arabia:

"You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells."

But, one doesn't need to go so far as the history books to read about Obama's obsessive animus to the current "Custodian of the Two Holy Places." One need only read Obama's ultimate Middle East Policy speech at the State Department on May 19, 2011:

"The story of this revolution, and the ones that followed, should not have come as a surprise. The nations of the Middle East and North Africa won their independence long ago, but in too many places their people did not. In too many countries, power has been concentrated in the hands of a few. In too many countries, a citizen like that young vendor had nowhere to turn -– no honest judiciary to hear his case; no independent media to give him voice; no credible political party to represent his views; no free and fair election where he could choose his leader.
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"Prosperity also requires tearing down walls that stand in the way of progress -– the corruption of elites who steal from their people; the red tape that stops an idea from becoming a business; the patronage that distributes wealth based on tribe or sect." "

I'm not going to respond to this because as much as I'd love for us to keep going back and forth, it has to stop somewhere. The speculation is simply too great for me and I just can't believe it.

What I did want to address was what you meant by this:

He currently gets away with blatant treason and promises to go around Congress in ways that he doesn't have the authority to do. He's blatantly treating the office as if it is a dictatorship.

What did you mean by the bold?
 

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I'm not going to respond to this because as much as I'd love for us to keep going back and forth, it has to stop somewhere. The speculation is simply too great for me and I just can't believe it.

What I did want to address was what you meant by this:



What did you mean by the bold?

Where is the rock you've been hiding under? I need to build a fallout shelter under it.

[video=youtube;y_zD-Kb7FX4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_zD-Kb7FX4[/video]

Even Obama agrees that he's a dictator.
 

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Where is the rock you've been hiding under? I need to build a fallout shelter under it.

[video=youtube;y_zD-Kb7FX4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_zD-Kb7FX4[/video]

Even Obama agrees that he's a dictator.

No I understood I just wanted to make sure I understood you completely and correctly.

You call Obama a dictator because you share similar sentiments with this video, considering you posted it.

1. They attempted to use a quote from Obama that destroys their own argument.
- He said it best himself. The Executive branch enforces the laws. Congress passes the laws. The Judicial system interprets the laws.

He then says there are enough laws on the books by congress on how we have to enforce the immigration system.
- The crux of their argument seems to be when he says, "For me through executive order to simply ignore those congressional mandates, uh, would not conform with my appropriate role as president."

For anyone to pull something negative out of this, they have to have greatly over reached. He's saying for him to simply ignore the laws already set by congress, would go against his job as the president in the executive branch. Thus, he will use his power of executive order to enforce this law.

Executive orders don't make a president a dictator. Lol. Each one is documented and published.

Can I also point out that Teddy Roosevelt had over 1,000 EO's? Woodrow Wilson has had over 1,800. Calvin Coolidge is over 1,100. FDR, the one president who might have been a dictator, had over 3,700. George W. Bush had 291. Barack Obama has had 205. I just wanted to drop this here.
 

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No I understood I just wanted to make sure I understood you completely and correctly.

You call Obama a dictator because you share similar sentiments with this video, considering you posted it.

1. They attempted to use a quote from Obama that destroys their own argument.
- He said it best himself. The Executive branch enforces the laws. Congress passes the laws. The Judicial system interprets the laws.

He then says there are enough laws on the books by congress on how we have to enforce the immigration system.
- The crux of their argument seems to be when he says, "For me through executive order to simply ignore those congressional mandates, uh, would not conform with my appropriate role as president."

For anyone to pull something negative out of this, they have to have greatly over reached. He's saying for him to simply ignore the laws already set by congress, would go against his job as the president in the executive branch. Thus, he will use his power of executive order to enforce this law.

Executive orders don't make a president a dictator. Lol. Each one is documented and published.

Can I also point out that Teddy Roosevelt had over 1,000 EO's? Woodrow Wilson has had over 1,800. Calvin Coolidge is over 1,100. FDR, the one president who might have been a dictator, had over 3,700. George W. Bush had 291. Barack Obama has had 205. I just wanted to drop this here.

FDR was also a very authoritarian President who regularly over-reached his authority. Woodrow Wilson was, as well. As was Coolidge.

All of them shot holes in the Constitution to some degree or another.

However, you need to understand that Obama did exactly what he said he couldn't do. He decided to sign into order an act that runs contrary to the laws.

Your lack of any grasp of American law is, frankly, concerning.



"Turley, appearing on Fox News Channel's "Special Report, " called that "a pretty surprising statement" considering that "the ink is barely dry" on Thursday's 9-0 decision saying Obama was wrong to have made recess appointments when the Senate had declared itself to be in session.

"For him now to double down makes him look like a bad gambler at Vegas," said Turley, who agrees with many of Obama's policies, but has warned of a constitutional crisis if Obama continues implementing those policies by bypassing Congress.

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"He was found to be in violation of the Fourth Amendment on privacy, then another case found him in violation of separation of powers. Now he's been found in violation of religious rights in the First Amendment" in the Hobby Lobby case, Turley said." "


His own appointees to the Supreme Court have rebuked his behavior.

His use of recess appointments while Congress was not in Recess, his unilateral decision to take military action against a foreign government, his use of executive order to try and alter the wording of a law...

[video=youtube;N_skPgxH178]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_skPgxH178[/video]

He blatantly says it right here:

"We are not waiting on legislation. I've got a pen and I've got a phone."

I was listening to that speech, live. He is a dictator. A tyrant.

Wasn't that clear enough in how he talked to that reporter in the previous video?

He's shut the media out of his administration:



"The press corps has rallied together in recent months to protest restrictions on White House access, but despite their demands they continue to be locked out of major events in and out of the Oval Office. The White House Correspondents Association filed a formal complaint with press secretary Josh Earnest on Tuesday regarding the 45th anniversary of the day Apollo 11 landed on the moon. Obama met with astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins, but only a very small number of photographers were allowed to attend."

The man is a tyrant.

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FDR was also a very authoritarian President who regularly over-reached his authority. Woodrow Wilson was, as well. As was Coolidge.

All of them shot holes in the Constitution to some degree or another.

However, you need to understand that Obama did exactly what he said he couldn't do. He decided to sign into order an act that runs contrary to the laws.

So FDR was a tyrant and dictator? TDR too? Woodrow Wilson too? Harding and Hoover too? Most presidents have done worse things with their executive orders Lol. I'm not saying what Obama did wasn't wrong, I'm simply saying you can't call one president a dictator and tyrant, but not the whole bunch.

Your lack of any grasp of American law is, frankly, concerning.



"Turley, appearing on Fox News Channel's "Special Report, " called that "a pretty surprising statement" considering that "the ink is barely dry" on Thursday's 9-0 decision saying Obama was wrong to have made recess appointments when the Senate had declared itself to be in session.

"For him now to double down makes him look like a bad gambler at Vegas," said Turley, who agrees with many of Obama's policies, but has warned of a constitutional crisis if Obama continues implementing those policies by bypassing Congress.

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"He was found to be in violation of the Fourth Amendment on privacy, then another case found him in violation of separation of powers. Now he's been found in violation of religious rights in the First Amendment" in the Hobby Lobby case, Turley said." "


His own appointees to the Supreme Court have rebuked his behavior.

I never said the man hasn't done questionable things. I simply think you're making him out to be some crazy ape man that wants to take over the damn world and you have not a shred of evidence to prove this.

I'm glad you brought these things up because I didn't know about them. Still, 2 wrong executive orders out of 203(Excuse me if I'm wrong I have to leave in a minute and have no time to research it) isn't bad.

Also, Lol at the last line.

His use of recess appointments while Congress was not in Recess, his unilateral decision to take military action against a foreign government, his use of executive order to try and alter the wording of a law...

[video=youtube;N_skPgxH178]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_skPgxH178[/video]

He blatantly says it right here:

"We are not waiting on legislation. I've got a pen and I've got a phone."

I was listening to that speech, live. He is a dictator. A tyrant.

We are not waiting on Congress. I've got executive orders. What's wrong with that?

Wasn't that clear enough in how he talked to that reporter in the previous video?

He's shut the media out of his administration:



"The press corps has rallied together in recent months to protest restrictions on White House access, but despite their demands they continue to be locked out of major events in and out of the Oval Office. The White House Correspondents Association filed a formal complaint with press secretary Josh Earnest on Tuesday regarding the 45th anniversary of the day Apollo 11 landed on the moon. Obama met with astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins, but only a very small number of photographers were allowed to attend."

The man is a tyrant.


He's a tyrant because he shuts the media out of his administration? Come on... The man he told to stop talking in the previous agreement I completely agree with. He should have told him to stop talking. The president is giving a speech, that means you stop and listen. When he stops talking then you ask your questions. It's very simple common courtesy. Are you saying that it's not wrong to interrupt someone while they're talking; no matter what circumstance they're in? Either way, the reporter was in the wrong.

The man is a tyrant for stopping reporters from barraging him with questions during a fundraiser? You've got to be trolling.



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Oh my gosh, what a tyrant and dictator! He's not even accepting questions... :rolleyes:
 

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I'm not much of a politic guy since I'm a young fool.

But Obama as a president does a really good job the way I see it.
It is indeed a harsh job since there is no time to think after an action is taken without getting shamed. Unlike old messaging system days.
 

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So FDR was a tyrant and dictator? TDR too? Woodrow Wilson too? Harding and Hoover too? Most presidents have done worse things with their executive orders Lol. I'm not saying what Obama did wasn't wrong, I'm simply saying you can't call one president a dictator and tyrant, but not the whole bunch.

The only President that has done -worse- than Obama was FDR, and that is simply because his policies have had more time to develop into cultural impact than Obama's.

However, what they did through executive order is nothing compared to what Obama has attempted to do through executive order.



"The first is that Obama is using executive orders and actions to alter his own legislation. It’s one thing to claim that you are forced to act because Congress will not. It’s quite another thing to re-write the law after Congress has done what you asked–and after you have offered, time and time again, to entertain formal amendments to the legislation. Obama has simply invoked executive authority to cover up his own errors. That’s unprecedented.

The second way in which Obama’s abuse of executive power is different is that he has done it to prevent the legislature from acting. It is now widely acknowledged that the president issued his “Dream Act by fiat” in 2012 not just because Congress wouldn’t pass his version of immigration reform, but to outflank Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who was preparing his own version, embarrassing Obama among Latino voters. Such pettiness is rare.

The third way in which Obama’s behavior is unusual is that he commands sweeping executive power on some issues while arguing, on other issues, that he has no power to act. The president’s recent speech about the NSA surveillance programs is a prime example of such self-contradiction. There is no constitutional doctrine behind the president’s executive orders, actions, and omissions: there is just pure, cynical political expediency."


I never said the man hasn't done questionable things. I simply think you're making him out to be some crazy ape man that wants to take over the damn world and you have not a shred of evidence to prove this.

Where did I say he wanted to take over the world?

Where did I say he is an ape-man?

North Korea is a tyrannical dictatorship and its equivalent of a royal family is revered as a sort of deity that even the West fears (if you believe the internal propaganda). Does lil' Kim want to take over the world? He'd probably take it if offered - but he's pretty content with what he's got.

A man's ambition defines the extents of his labor.

I'm glad you brought these things up because I didn't know about them. Still, 2 wrong executive orders out of 203(Excuse me if I'm wrong I have to leave in a minute and have no time to research it) isn't bad.

It's not just two wrong executive orders. It's the entire trend of his presidency.



"Now, we have discovered that investors have been fraudulently mistreated by the Obama administration. This case deals with the two government sponsored enterprises lubricating our mortgage markets: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. During the depths of the recession the Obama administration did not nationalize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, instead placing them under conservatorship and taking an ownership stake in the companies. Since that time, the government has sold large blocks of stock in Fannie and Freddie three times through the FDIC. While doing so, the government neglected to inform investors that it planned to keep all of Fannie and Freddie’s profits forever, even after it has been paid back in full with interest.

When normal companies sell stock they must provide investors and the Securities and Exchange Commission with considerable details about their plan as well as enough financial and risk disclosure for investors to make informed decisions. The details disclosed must be truthful and complete or the company risks civil and criminal prosecution.

The federal government sold stock in a company with no future earning potential and handily kept that fact to itself. While prospective investors may not have expected much in the way of future earnings in 2010 or 2011, they knew there was at least a chance that Fannie and Freddie would be able to pay back the government one day and those investors could begin to collect a share of earnings from that point forward. This probability, slight though it may have been, caused investors to bid the price of Fannie Mae shares up from $0.34 to $3 per share.

In 2012 the federal government revealed an amendment to its 2008 document explaining its relationship with Fannie and Freddie. This 2012 plan, known as the Third Amendment, makes clear that the government plans to keep all of Fannie and Freddie’s earnings forever, long after the two GSEs have fully paid back the government from the housing bust’s fallout. Yet a memo, dated in 2010, details that the government plans were in place well before they were disclosed to the public.

This fraud allowed the government to find buyers for some of the shares in Freddie and Fannie that it acquired as part of its bailout, helping it to recoup the taxpayer’s money. However, this recovery of taxpayer money was accomplished at the expense of investors who trusted in the disclosures that they received from Fannie and Freddie, disclosures that the government knew to be untrue. "


If I were to become a "greedy banker" and do that - I'd go to jail and my property would be sold at auction because I'd never be able to afford to defend myself against the never ending hail of lawsuits coming my direction. My life would essentially be -destroyed- by the civil side of the court, alone.

When the government does it... *shrug.*



"In 2008 and in 2012, Obama ran as a candidate and an incumbent determined to end American military involvement in the Middle East, not increase it. Hence his promise, by now made many times, that he will not introduce ground troops into this war. Apparently, just as when he bombed Libya into chaotic instability in 2010, he does not consider bombs an act of offensive warfare.

But he does consider the use of boots to be an act of war. When the president promises no ground troops, note the phrase he uses: “No boots on the ground.” This is a term of art that apparently has different meanings to different folks.

There are already more than 1,000 pairs of American military boots on the ground in this effort to destroy ISIS.

Yet, because they are not yet directly engaged in the use of violence in pursuit of ISIS fighters (they are training others to do so or finding targets to destroy by air), or because they are Special Forces and thus out of uniform (but no doubt armed and violent and wearing boots), the president feels he has a clear conscience when he says there are no boots on the ground.

When he says that, he means, “There is no one in an American military uniform shooting from the ground at an enemy target” — but there are military personnel in uniform on the ground, and there are military personnel out of uniform shooting ISIS fighters. Is this hair-splitting language consistent with the president’s moral obligation to be truthful to us?

In another deceptive move, Obama announced on Monday that the operation against ISIS, whether authorized by Congress or not, will be directed by retired Marine Corps General John Allen. This is a novel use of government assets, as Allen is no longer a part of the Pentagon and thus not subject to the military chain of command. Apparently, the president does not trust his military advisers, whose advice he has repeatedly rejected, to run his war. Is the White House planning to run this war directly as LBJ did in Vietnam? Is the State Department? How can a civilian who is not the president command military troops?"




""With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations [of immigrants brought here illegally as children\] through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed.”

— President Obama, March 28, 2011

Those laws remain on the books. They haven’t changed. Yet Obama last week suspended these very deportations — granting infinitely renewable “deferred action” with attendant work permits — thereby unilaterally rewriting the law. And doing precisely what he admits he is barred from doing.

...

Imagine: A Republican President submits to Congress a bill abolishing the capital gains tax. Congress rejects it. The President then orders the IRS to stop collecting capital gains taxes, and declares that anyone refusing to pay them will suffer no penalty, no sanction whatsoever. (Analogy first suggested by law professor John Yoo.)

It would be a scandal, a constitutional crisis, a cause for impeachment. Why? Because unlike, for example, war powers, this is not an area of perpetual executive-legislative territorial contention.

Nor is cap-gains, like the judicial status of unlawful enemy combatants, an area where the law is silent or ambiguous. Capital gains is straightforward tax law. Just as Obama’s bombshell amnesty-by-fiat is a subversion of straightforward immigration law.

It is shameful that congressional Democrats should be applauding such a brazen end-run. Of course it’s smart politics. It divides Republicans, rallies the Hispanic vote and pre-empts Marco Rubio’s attempt to hammer out an acceptable legislative compromise. Very clever. But, by Obama’s own admission, it is naked lawlessness. "


Also, Lol at the last line.



TWELVE TIMES the Supreme Court has ruled UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST this president's actions!

President Obama’s team suffered their twelfth unanimous defeat at the Supreme Court in the legal challenge to the so-called recess appointments made when Congress was not actually in recess, a string of defeats that only represents “the tip of the iceberg,” according to Senator Mike Lee (R., Utah). “Not every case in which the president has exceeded his authority has made it all the way to the Supreme Court,” Lee, a former law clerk to Justice Samuel Alito, told National Review Online. “The fact that his track record is as bad as it is in the Supreme Court . . . is yet another indication of the fact that we’ve got a president who is playing fast and loose with the Constitution.”

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Cruz issued a report on Obama’s unanimous defeats when the total sat at nine. “If the Department of Justice had won these cases, the federal government would be able to electronically track all of our movements, fine us without a fair hearing, dictate who churches choose as ministers, displace state laws based on the president’s whims, bring debilitating lawsuits against individuals based on events that occurred years ago, and destroy a person’s private property without just compensation,” Cruz wrote in April 2013."


Are you beginning to understand why I say this man is dangerous?

We are not waiting on Congress. I've got executive orders. What's wrong with that?

... You're ****ing joking, right?

What the hell did we pay your civics teacher for?

Even Saturday Night Live gets it:

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He's a tyrant because he shuts the media out of his administration? Come on... The man he told to stop talking in the previous agreement I completely agree with. He should have told him to stop talking. The president is giving a speech, that means you stop and listen. When he stops talking then you ask your questions. It's very simple common courtesy. Are you saying that it's not wrong to interrupt someone while they're talking; no matter what circumstance they're in? Either way, the reporter was in the wrong.

There is a reason I cited this case with confidence.

There are certain things that emerge as constants within personalities that allow you to predict what you will find when you look deeper, even without true foreknowledge:



"In a statement on the Daily Caller web site, Munro defended himself.

"I always go to the White House prepared with questions for our president. I timed the question believing the president was closing his remarks, because naturally I have no intention of interrupting the President of the United States. I know he rarely takes questions before walking away from the podium. When I asked the question as he finished his speech, he turned his back on the many reporters, and walked away while I and at least one other reporter asked questions." "


You see, tyrants - particularly of the community organizing variety - are God's gift to the Earth. They are narcissists to the core and know, perhaps instinctively, how to impose their stature without coming right out and demanding fellatio.

They declare that they will make a speech and show up late. Whatever they are doing - it is more important than what the commoners could be doing.

They make harrowing "yes we can" statements followed by the designation of an obstacle - a political party or demographic.

Then they leave abruptly, taking no questions and leaving an emotionally riled up populace to reflect on the speech. The tyrants are above the common folks of the world.

The man is a tyrant for stopping reporters from barraging him with questions during a fundraiser? You've got to be trolling.

These are events that have always had press coverage.

So you're saying Obama has achieved this? Lol, just stop.

Effectively, he has. Now, he doesn't have the influence to carry out something like a coupe and order the military to replace local police departments in a sort of martial law, or something. But he has already clearly established that no one is going to actually stop him if he were to write such an order. The only people who have tried to storm the White House are Muslims and deranged socialists. The only people who have seriously talked about impeaching him are the Democrats mailing their lobotomized membership all kinds of ginned up stories of the GOP trying to impeach Obama.

Yes - Obama should be impeached (at a bare minimum). No, the Republicans aren't going to do it.

Like I indicated, the GOP is basically Jar-Jar Binks. "Meesa woulda lika to intrajaekt!"

- No, I'm not going to stop.

You must realize that there is a conflict of visions in this country and that one must necessarily destroy the other.

One one hand we have a Nation of Men.

On the other we have a Nation of Laws.

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[Yes, I am implying you fall into that category. It is not entirely your fault - a whole set of institutions have been erected for the purpose of removing thought from your skull and breeding dependency into you.]

Oh my gosh, what a tyrant and dictator! He's not even accepting questions... :rolleyes:

I know you're sharp enough to catch the difference in social context.

Reagan opened his statement with "I will not be taking questions after this." In other words - the first thing he does is be open with the reporters and recognize what they want out of standing and listening to him. He's not taking any questions.
 
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