Madara could physically put up a guard against Gaiʻs initial blitz attempt.
Bloodlusted naruto outright blitzed kaguya, but he doesnʻt warp space with his speed.
Yagai speed >> Narutoʻs max shunshin > 8th gated gaiʻs shunshin > Narutoʻs normal speed
Foot Speed only and no attacks then yes, but Night Guy changes everything if we include it. As of now Gai is the fastest during Night Guy since he distorted the space around him, other than that Naruto is faster.
- Reflexes should be included as well when considering fast, rather than only linear movements -
Real life physics cannot be included in a fiction :
Morning peacock - Friction creates concentrated fire balls
Hirudora / Evening Elephant - Condensed air pressure
It emits an unique style for Taijutsu users like Gai and Lee. Lee produces enough force to crack the floors during even chuunin exams, although on the other hand many characters have displayed superior speed without any of the above consequences.
Tobirama has shown the ability to react quickly to Juubito and place tags around him [Which does not create heat waves], doesn't mean that his speed is inferior in any terms :
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Gai is indeed fast, but just because he creates fire from his punches and bends space, doesn't mean that the others are inferior in any terms
P.S. Gai was up against Madara [Pre absorbing Shinjuu], who was able to see through the mechanics of Gais attacks. On the other hand Naruto went up against Kaguya [who is superior in terms, except experience], and managed to cut her arm off before she reacts .
- Reflexes should be included as well when considering fast, rather than only linear movements -
Real life physics cannot be included in a fiction :
Morning peacock - Friction creates concentrated fire balls
Hirudora / Evening Elephant - Condensed air pressure
It emits an unique style for Taijutsu users like Gai and Lee. Lee produces enough force to crack the floors during even chuunin exams, although on the other hand many characters have displayed superior speed without any of the above consequences.
Tobirama has shown the ability to react quickly to Juubito and place tags around him [Which does not create heat waves], doesn't mean that his speed is inferior in any terms :
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Gai is indeed fast, but just because he creates fire from his punches and bends space, doesn't mean that the others are inferior in any terms
P.S. Gai was up against Madara [Pre absorbing Shinjuu], who was able to see through the mechanics of Gais attacks. On the other hand Naruto went up against Kaguya [who is superior in terms, except experience], and managed to cut her arm off before she reacts .
To start off, thanks for the rep. Before saying physics do not apply to the manga, in a case of Gai bending space, the manga supports it by Madara's staff being bent:
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It could not have possibly bent physically, if Gai hadn't bended space in support of Madara's statement. So the manga does indeed support physics in this case.
Now we know manga supports the applications of space-time continuum, everything else is easy to conclude. Eienstein's theory of relativity says you need mass and speed of light to reach energy at a space-time levels. Madara says he acknowledged Gai's Chakra:
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This means Gai's Chakra gained its own mass and multiplied by the speed he moved at, he created an energy that bent space. The manga does not contradict physics, Madara supported it.
Reflexes are part of speed; not that they're actually the same thing. Gai blitzed Madara [
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Gai blitzed Madara, Naruto couldn't. Gai bent space, Naruto can't. So Gai is million times faster than Naruto.
To start off, thanks for the rep. Before saying physics do not apply to the manga, in a case of Gai bending space, the manga supports it by Madara's staff being bent:
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It could not have possibly bent physically, if Gai hadn't bended space in support of Madara's statement. So the manga does indeed support physics in this case.
Now we know manga supports the applications of space-time continuum, everything else is easy to conclude. Eienstein's theory of relativity says you need mass and speed of light to reach energy at a space-time levels. Madara says he acknowledged Gai's Chakra:
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This means Gai's Chakra gained its own mass and multiplied by the speed he moved at, he created an energy that bent space. The manga does not contradict physics, Madara supported it.
Reflexes are part of speed; not that they're actually the same thing. Gai blitzed Madara [
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Gai blitzed Madara, Naruto couldn't. Gai bent space, Naruto can't. So Gai is million times faster than Naruto.
Thanks for sharing, didn’t notice the curvature of the staff. It clearly shows that the gravitational pull from Gai is bending the staff. Any amount of mass bends space time, and all the objects have some kind of gravitational force.
[Ex: Gravity effects even on sub atomic particles, like electrons. So even those little guys, bend space]
The compacting of space and the dilation of time are immeasurable except in the presence of high amount of mass/ energy [In simple terms the more mass does it more, making it visible].
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As pointed out it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [Since Gai was preparing all the energy on his final attack, which increased the mass and in turn made the space time bending visible]. He still moved at light speed, although Madara was able to see through it [Pre absorbing Shinjuu]. Naruto easily manages to land a hit on that Madara [While he was recuperated as well] :
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Since it has been established it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [The bending of space time and curvature of staff due to gravitational pull], Naruto never gathered and moved with such amount of mass [Since he’s not trying to land a one hit blow to kill the opponent, unlike Gai]. Although his speed is on another league compared to Gai.
He was able to slice Kaguyas arm [Who was way faster than Madara], unless Gai shows such feats its safe to assume that he’s inferior to Narutos speed.
Madara [After absorbing Shinjuu] was unable to react to Sasuke’s S/T, Kaguya was able to do so.
Naruto was able to slice Kaguya, Gai haven’t shown such a feat.
In conclusion, Naruto is stronger and faster than Might Gai.
In my full honest opinion. I think Naruto is a lot faster then Gai. Madara did say that Gai was able to bend Space, but the amount was puny for it to actually be real teleportation and Madara was close to perfectly able to see the movements of Gai. Madara just couldn't dodge it because he was relying on his staff and not anything else which could have helped him do so. Naruto in my full honest opinion is certainly faster if you consider what Naruto is able to do with his speed. He was able to escape the Mokuton Dragon and catch Madara's sword and Obito's shuriken. He was even able to Rip Kaguya's Arm apart. so In my honest opinion Naruto!!!
I think there was somewhat an indirect comparison of speed. [
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Gai noted how fast his body flicker was when he redirected the bijuu damas. So he likely was as fast as 7th Gate Gai, since Ei was known as the fastest alive and Naruto was faster than him. RSM Naruto is faster than Juudara, who at the very least saw through 8th Gates Gai. So I actually think he's faster than 8th Gates Gai with body flicker. :|
Thanks for sharing, didn’t notice the curvature of the staff. It clearly shows that the gravitational pull from Gai is bending the staff. Any amount of mass bends space time, and all the objects have some kind of gravitational force.
[Ex: Gravity effects even on sub atomic particles, like electrons. So even those little guys, bend space]
The compacting of space and the dilation of time are immeasurable except in the presence of high amount of mass/ energy [In simple terms the more mass does it more, making it visible].
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As pointed out it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [Since Gai was preparing all the energy on his final attack, which increased the mass and in turn made the space time bending visible]. He still moved at light speed, although Madara was able to see through it [Pre absorbing Shinjuu]. Naruto easily manages to land a hit on that Madara [While he was recuperated as well] :
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Since it has been established it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [The bending of space time and curvature of staff due to gravitational pull], Naruto never gathered and moved with such amount of mass [Since he’s not trying to land a one hit blow to kill the opponent, unlike Gai]. Although his speed is on another league compared to Gai.
He was able to slice Kaguyas arm [Who was way faster than Madara], unless Gai shows such feats its safe to assume that he’s inferior to Narutos speed.
Madara [After absorbing Shinjuu] was unable to react to Sasuke’s S/T, Kaguya was able to do so.
Naruto was able to slice Kaguya, Gai haven’t shown such a feat.
In conclusion, Naruto is stronger and faster than Might Gai.
that clarification of the whole space bending stuff is indeed helpfull because it means if naruto amassed so much chakra in a single attack his speed could also produce similar results...
seeing how both gai and naruto were able to land a blow on madara while madara couldnt react pretty much puts them both in the same league of speed...and sasukes speed is up there as well as he was also able to do it...
furthermore the fact that sasuke couldnt strike kaguya and naruto could proves that narutos strike speed is above sasuke and therefore also gais speed....or at the very least on par with gais speed
it could be that gais night moth attack holds as much striking speed as narutos fastest attack does but narutos reflexes are surely better so its safe to say naruto would perform better in a fight
so in the end i believe their speed is both nearly the same,however narutos superior reflexes would provide him a better usage of that speed,meaning he would be able to beat gai in a speedy fight
I could be wrong, but i'm giving this to Naruto, compared to 8 Gates Guy (he's obviously faster than any lower Gate). The reason for this is simple: when showing Naruto's speed, he has almost always been drawn with a "panel-to-panel" style - meaning that in one panel Naruto's at one place, in another he's already arrived/hit an opponent.
Even taking into account the fact that Guy distorted space, that just means, in my opinion, that he/the mass of his chakra/the force of his speed is greater, not that he's faster. Guy was also never shown completely "blitzing" Madara. Not only that, Madara was able to keep up with his speed, but not defend against the sheer power of the 8th Gate (well, he was, but props to Lee and Minato, i guess). At the same, Naruto did blitz Kaguya and cut off her arm, a character that should be faster than Madara. The same Madara also failed to react to Sasuke slicing him in half, and it's widely known he and Naruto are very close in speed. Naruto's faster, Guy's stronger.
There's one thing i'm certain about. Guy is nowhere near the speed of light. An entity with the mass of a human, leaving aside that that's impossible, traveling at light speed should literally create explosions several times the size of a modern-day nuke wherever he travels. Supersonic fits him well, i guess...
Reaction speed I would probably say Naruto definitely, but the only way I see Naruto getting at 8 Gate Gai's speed is Boil Release to Push his body to its limit.
Not only that Madara was reacting to RSM Naruto just fine while he was struggling against Gai. Plus, you have Gai's whole bending space thing, that was freaking EPIC!!!:yayy:
Thanks for sharing, didn’t notice the curvature of the staff. It clearly shows that the gravitational pull from Gai is bending the staff. Any amount of mass bends space time, and all the objects have some kind of gravitational force.
[Ex: Gravity effects even on sub atomic particles, like electrons. So even those little guys, bend space]
The compacting of space and the dilation of time are immeasurable except in the presence of high amount of mass/ energy [In simple terms the more mass does it more, making it visible].
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As pointed out it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [Since Gai was preparing all the energy on his final attack, which increased the mass and in turn made the space time bending visible]. He still moved at light speed, although Madara was able to see through it [Pre absorbing Shinjuu]. Naruto easily manages to land a hit on that Madara [While he was recuperated as well] :
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Since it has been established it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [The bending of space time and curvature of staff due to gravitational pull], Naruto never gathered and moved with such amount of mass [Since he’s not trying to land a one hit blow to kill the opponent, unlike Gai]. Although his speed is on another league compared to Gai.
He was able to slice Kaguyas arm [Who was way faster than Madara], unless Gai shows such feats its safe to assume that he’s inferior to Narutos speed.
Madara [After absorbing Shinjuu] was unable to react to Sasuke’s S/T, Kaguya was able to do so.
Naruto was able to slice Kaguya, Gai haven’t shown such a feat.
In conclusion, Naruto is stronger and faster than Might Gai.
I could be wrong, but i'm giving this to Naruto, compared to 8 Gates Guy (he's obviously faster than any lower Gate). The reason for this is simple: when showing Naruto's speed, he has almost always been drawn with a "panel-to-panel" style - meaning that in one panel Naruto's at one place, in another he's already arrived/hit an opponent.
Even taking into account the fact that Guy distorted space, that just means, in my opinion, that he/the mass of his chakra/the force of his speed is greater, not that he's faster. Guy was also never shown completely "blitzing" Madara. Not only that, Madara was able to keep up with his speed, but not defend against the sheer power of the 8th Gate (well, he was, but props to Lee and Minato, i guess). At the same, Naruto did blitz Kaguya and cut off her arm, a character that should be faster than Madara. The same Madara also failed to react to Sasuke slicing him in half, and it's widely known he and Naruto are very close in speed. Naruto's faster, Guy's stronger.
There's one thing i'm certain about. Guy is nowhere near the speed of light. An entity with the mass of a human, leaving aside that that's impossible, traveling at light speed should literally create explosions several times the size of a modern-day nuke wherever he travels. Supersonic fits him well, i guess...
Madara was still able to see Sasuke coming though. He did the same with Gai, but wasn't able to react in time.
Tbh, I really do wonder what Naruto did cutting off Kaguya's arm was boil release. At that point Naruto's chakra had risen to such a point that both Sasuke and BZ noticed it Naruto's chakra even in the middle of combat.
Well, whatever Kaguya was completely shocked when Naruto slashed her arm. The weird thing is that she blitzed Naruto too, plenty of times in fact. Lol
If Naruto can pull out the speed he did when he cuts Kaguya's arm on the regular then I would say his speed>Gai's if not he probably=Gai
Thanks for sharing, didn’t notice the curvature of the staff. It clearly shows that the gravitational pull from Gai is bending the staff. Any amount of mass bends space time, and all the objects have some kind of gravitational force.
[Ex: Gravity effects even on sub atomic particles, like electrons. So even those little guys, bend space]
Yes, atoms bend space. We, humans, bend space as well. Everything in the universe bends space. The difference is, the depth of bending space is when the gravitational pull becomes powerful enough, you will notice that space has been bent.
As pointed out it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [Since Gai was preparing all the energy on his final attack, which increased the mass and in turn made the space time bending visible]. He still moved at light speed, although Madara was able to see through it [Pre absorbing Shinjuu]. Naruto easily manages to land a hit on that Madara [While he was recuperated as well] :
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Since it has been established it was visible mainly due to the amass of energy [The bending of space time and curvature of staff due to gravitational pull], Naruto never gathered and moved with such amount of mass [Since he’s not trying to land a one hit blow to kill the opponent, unlike Gai]. Although his speed is on another league compared to Gai.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. We know energy = mass x speed of light squared. Space bent = Gai's Chakra mass x Gai's movement of speed of light squared. That is what happened. No offence, you must have a poor background in physics. To say Naruto to is on another league in speed compared to Gai, is saying Naruto is physically than light; which isn't true, wasn't true, and never will be true. I'm sorry, buddy, Naruto will need to bend space for us to say he is on the same league as Gai.
He was able to slice Kaguyas arm [Who was way faster than Madara], unless Gai shows such feats its safe to assume that he’s inferior to Narutos speed.
No, you haven't shown any logical reason to conclude that. You don't know what it takes to bend space, you seem to have poor background in physics, and deny feats showing Gai is faster.
