[Discussion] Is Mihawk underrated or overrated?

[Venomous Cobra]

He's neutrally rated. His title of WSS can be interpreted in two ways, both of which are present here. BTW, achieving WSS is a feat in itself, not hype. It's the same as achieving the title of an Admiral, or a Yonko, or the World's Strongest Man.


Achieving the title of WSS is that feat. That alone puts him on the level of, if not stronger than, Shanks.

His title is irrelevant to doffy and no, he isn't. Shanks is one of the 4 most powerful pirates who are by default> other pirates(mihawk is a pirate) until feats are brought up

Keep mentioning hype, it'll only come back on you, I can spam all day about characters like kaido/kizaru/big mam being stronger than mihawk as well

 

[Punk Hazard]

His title is irrelevant to doffy and no, he isn't. Shanks is one of the 4 most powerful pirates who and by default> other pirates until feats are brought up

As Bogard mentioned before, there are translations of that statement that say strongest 4 pirates that reside in the New World, which doesn't apply to Mihawk, who lives in Paradise.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

As Bogard mentioned before, there are translations of that statement that say strongest 4 pirates that reside in the New World, which doesn't apply to Mihawk, who lives in Paradise.

Look again, the statement itself applied to all pirates, hence garp said "out there" before he mentioned it plus, are you truly implying that mihawk had never been in the new world?:lol


The reign part applies only to the yonko not the pirates that they're more powerful than, since in general, the pirates in the new world>the ones in paradise

 

[Punk Hazard]

Look again, the statement itself applied to all pirates, hence garp said "out there" before he mentioned it plus, are you truly implying that mihawk had never been in the new world?:lol


The reign part applies only to the yonko not the pirates that they're more powerful than, since in general, the pirates in the new world>the ones in paradise

Er, looking again doesn't change anything. There are reliable scans that say "The strongest four pirates who live in the New World." Looking at another scan won't change that those scans exist. I'm well into the stages of life where object permanence has developed.

"Are you truly implying that Mihawk has never been to the New World"
You don't know what the words "resides" and "lives" mean.

Not really. Shanks spends a lot of time in Paradise. And in general doesn't mean there aren't exceptions. Exhibit A: Mihawk.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Er, looking again doesn't change anything. There are reliable scans that say "The strongest four pirates who live in the New World." Looking at another scan won't change that those scans exist. I'm well into the stages of life where object permanence has developed.

Well unless you got the VIZ, this will be nothing more that "my scan is better than your scan"

"Are you truly implying that Mihawk has never been to the New World"
You don't know what the words "resides" and "lives" mean.

Yeah VIZ needed here, not only does garp say that yonkou reign in the new world, referring to them only, but he also shares "out there" which meant anywhere around the world, I'm no god, I can't guess what your panel says if you're not posting it. The mere fact that remains is, This translation is the most used and unless you have the VIZ so that we can put end to this, I see not point for this as I believe that MP's translations your "other reliable scans"

Not really. Shanks spends a lot of time in Paradise. And in general doesn't mean there aren't exceptions. Exhibit A: Mihawk.

Oh, so there are exceptions to this statement but none to the WSS?:lol you gotta be joking

 

[loj]

Luffy hasn't surpassed doffy yet

Where did I say he did smh

I'm sorry but when did luffy ever beat doffy on his own or when was gear 4th by itself enough to defeat him last time I checked he needed to use it twice and after the first time he had to be protected

And also we have not been told what injection shot did to doffy during the battle ...

Again where did I say he did XD

 

[Lance171]

I think that Mihawk tends to be underrated in this section.

hey I just finished the sky island arc and am starting the water 7 arc and idk the beginning is kinda boring with these davy jones game for crew members. when does this arc get good? I heard this was the best arc or is sky island the best arc?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well unless you got the VIZ, this will be nothing more that "my scan is better than your scan"

Yeah VIZ needed here, not only does garp say that yonkou reign in the new world, referring to them only, but he also shares "out there" which meant anywhere around the world, I'm no god, I can't guess what your panel says if you're not posting it. The mere fact that remains is, This translation is the most used and unless you have the VIZ so that we can put end to this, I see not point for this as I believe that MP's translations your "other reliable scans"


Oh, so there are exceptions to this statement but none to the WSS?:lol you gotta be joking

Exactly why I am dismissing the argument on both ends.

Not true actually. By following up the mention of the New World with "out there," it indicates that by "out there," he means "out there in the New World."

You said that the New World pirates are stronger than Paradise pirates in general. It's not a universal concept. The title of being the strongest swordsman in the entire world IS universal. The fact that you said in general is WHY there are exceptions.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Saying the WSS is overrated is no different than saying the WSM is overrated(kind of is but still). Mihawk is the WSS which automatically puts him above Shanks in 1v1s just like how WB's title puts him above everyone in 1v1s.

 

[loj]

Saying the WSS is overrated is no different than saying the WSM is overrated(kind of is but still). Mihawk is the WSS which automatically puts him above Shanks in 1v1s just like how WB's title puts him above everyone in 1v1s.

But why? One is Shichibukai one is yonko.

Shanks is potential the WSM.

Nevermind Shanks but would WSS always mean stronger than someone who uses sword + DF?

 

[Punk Hazard]

But why? One is Shichibukai one is yonko.

Shanks is potential the WSM.

Nevermind Shanks but would WSS always mean stronger than someone who uses sword + DF?

Logically, yes. A DF is a power that comes separately from the sword. So, if using a DF with your sword makes you less of a swordsman, using Haki with your sword oughta do the same.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Exactly why I am dismissing the argument on both ends.

Not really, the burden of proof lays on you rn, you said you had other sources that stated otherwise, I merely didn;t trust those translations and thus I asked you to come up with the VIZ. Make no mistake, this is no argument, this is just you denying what's generally accepted as a fact just because there are "other translations"


You do know that such argument can be used by anyone over anything

Not true actually. By following up the mention of the New World with "out there," it indicates that by "out there," he means "out there in the New World."

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I still don't see how them being the most powerful, relates to the new world. Garp said "out there" and ended the sentence there, continuing his main point with a different aproch aka where they reign.

We all know that yonko hold territories all over the new world, and when Garp mentioned it, he meant those, hence the phrase "live as emperors", the most powerful part didn't relate to the new world in anyway, and you can correct me if I'm wrong/

You said that the New World pirates are stronger than Paradise pirates in general. It's not a universal concept. The title of being the strongest swordsman in the entire world IS universal. The fact that you said in general is WHY there are exceptions.

That statement had nothing to do with the yonko though, how does it validate you making exceptions for one argument but not another of nearly the same concept?



But ok, I'll see if I can get anything close to the VIZ

 

[arv993]

underrated he is a yonko level pirate who is just by himself. he is above any admiral, if ppl think he is below them there is absolutely no need for schibukai if an admiral can mid diff mihawk. But his hype indicates him to be above them.

 

[Fireplay]

Mihawk is bliss.

Imo he's sometimes overrated sometimes underrated. Imo Mihawk is stronger than the admirals and on par with Shanks. Some say he loses to the admirals.

This is just speculation but i believe Mihawk can stalemate a Yonko and beat an admiral with difficulty.

One thing im sure about. Mihawk>Admirals.
Shanks=>Mihawk in my eyes but who knows, this is just speculation.

 

[KingHashirama]

His title is irrelevant to doffy and no, he isn't. Shanks is one of the 4 most powerful pirates who are by default> other pirates(mihawk is a pirate) until feats are brought up

Keep mentioning hype, it'll only come back on you, I can spam all day about characters like kaido/kizaru/big mam being stronger than mihawk as well

Mihawk/Kuma/Hancock don't fall under the Yonko. They are privateers not pirates.

 

[loj]

Logically, yes. A DF is a power that comes separately from the sword. So, if using a DF with your sword makes you less of a swordsman, using Haki with your sword oughta do the same.

So pretty much saying WSS vs Swordmen + DF isn't WSS>SDF?

Since I see many Mihawk vs Fuji mid diffs for Mihawk...

 

[Punk Hazard]

So pretty much saying WSS vs Swordmen + DF isn't WSS>SDF?

Since I see many Mihawk vs Fuji mid diffs for Mihawk...

What....

 

[loj]

What....

WSS being stronger than swordmen + df isn't right?

 

[Punk Hazard]

WSS being stronger than swordmen + df isn't right?

I think it is.

 

[loj]

I think it is.

But you alone said that the swordmen with df isn't considered a regular swordmen anymore.

So let's say prime Mihawk vs prime/EOS Law happened.

Who would win? Since I can't see Mihawk winning despite him being WSS