[Discussion] Is Luffy DF Reliant?

[BusinessManTeno]

So... My argument is that luffy isnt DF reliant. Of course he uses it alot but I dont feel luffy is df reliant compared to how much a logia is DF reliant.

Luffy df doesnt make him stronger (Base wise) as seen when he knocked out bellamy

anyways, I will let you guys decide. Give me reasons to why you feel he is or is not?

 

[Rand al'Thor]

Df reliant means whether he is dependant on his Df or not. So yes. z.z

 

[chopstickchakra]

Until he learns better haki, yea he kind of is. He can throw strong punches but not to the degree of Pistol etc.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Until he learns better haki, yea he kind of is. He can throw strong punches but not to the degree of Pistol etc.

I didnt think about that tbvh. U_U
Noice

 

[xXMadaraUchiaXx]

He is Slow without gear comparaed to sanij or doffy
So he Need his fruit

 

[loj]

Luffy needs his fruit.

Luffy>ur fav

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Luffy needs his fruit.

Luffy>ur fav

Bart and Kuma

Bart > Luffy
Kuma > Luffy

GG

 

[chopstickchakra]

Bart and Kuma

Bart > Luffy
Kuma > Luffy

GG

Kuma probably Bart absolutely not.

 

[Bimbonium]

Yes he is, he's fighting style depends solely on it.

 

[ToshiZO]

Nope he has all 3 types of haki. His main focus for the past 2 years was Haki, he probably has the strongest haki from the M3 and they dont even have DF's.

 

[Monxstaa]

he needs it to fight higher tier not fodders like bellamy

 

[loj]

Bart and Kuma

Bart > Luffy
Kuma > Luffy

GG

Is that a joke or?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Nope he has all 3 types of haki. His main focus for the past 2 years was Haki, he probably has the strongest haki from the M3 and they dont even have DF's.

Having the best of the M3 isn't enough of a qualifier, his haki still isn't strong enough that he could fight without using his DF. No DF = no gear 2 speed or gear 3 strength boosts both of which he's shown to still need to compete.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Luffy needs his DF to stand a chance against anyone. He would've lost to Crocodile, Enel, Blueno, Lucci, Moriah, Hody Jones and Doffy without it. Without gears, he would've been killed by Don Chinjao in the coliseum.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Yes he is. But it's no big deal since he revolved his entire fighting style around it.
If he would have grown up without DF he would have achieved the same strength most likely just by other means

 

[ToshiZO]

Having the best of the M3 isn't enough of a qualifier, his haki still isn't strong enough that he could fight without using his DF. No DF = no gear 2 speed or gear 3 strength boosts both of which he's shown to still need to compete.

Nope doesnt matter. The fact that he has better Haki over guys that need haki way more than he does to be competent. That tells me he is pretty balanced. How is he relying on his DF when he is made out of rubber lol he has no choice...by your definition he relies on his DF when he takes a piss.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes he is and no it doesn't matter.

 

[Yubel]

It'd be cool if he could've actually beaten Doflamingo without having to use Gears.
I hope they don't become a way for him to 'cheat' into becoming a top tier because that would suck.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It'd be cool if he could've actually beaten Doflamingo without having to use Gears.
I hope they don't become a way for him to 'cheat' into becoming a top tier because that would suck.

Why? There's nothing wrong with Luffy relying onto his DF, it's a superpower.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Nope doesnt matter. The fact that he has better Haki over guys that need haki way more than he does to be competent. That tells me he is pretty balanced. How is he relying on his DF when he is made out of rubber lol he has no choice...by your definition he relies on his DF when he takes a piss.

Does he stretch his **** to piss then yeah it would, see we can both be *******s. Now that that's out of the way, Luffy is reliant on his DF, he could have relied on his DF as a defensive measure only and created/learned a fighting style that doesn't rely on the ability granted from his fruit but he didn't he developed a method based solely on his DF. When Luffy's abilities aren't enough to beat an opponent he uses his DF ability to boost his stats, that's literally the definition of relying on something-using it when you can't accomplish your task without it. If Luffy lost his DF today he would still be an impressive force but he wouldn't be = to what he is now.