Is Kisame a better water style user than the 2nd Hokage?

[Mr.Beastie]

Urm wrong..... the 2nd created and used edo tensei....... Muu, Madara etc all knew about him using it and bringing back dead people

Orochimaru invented the futa tags that took complete control of the edo tensei...

Meaning the 2nd only revived people he knew to fight for him, dead senju clan members maybe?

They would be fighting for themselves...... he couldnt revive anyone who wouldnt fight for him..

how was i wrong........ i only said he couldnt summon them. Also its not a suprise that Madara and Muu knows about the tech cause just look at how many people know about shisui's eye genjutsu and he could only use it once or twice as it requires at least a decade to recover.
.....But then again you could be right.

 

[dpham123]

The second hokage has better water style because he can make the water into ice but kisame cant and he can use water style tech without using water but kisame he is made out of water kinds so yerr:izuna::izuna:

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Based on hype- 2nd Hokage

Based on what we've seen- Kisame.

I go with 2nd Hokage on this one though. He has shown high level water ninjutsu without having to convert his chakra into water. He can create water from the air and use advanced water techniques, meaning that he does not have to be near a body of water to create them. He has overcome the weakness (as Kisame had, but doesn't have to waste chakra on another technique to produce water) of having to be near a source of water to use Suiton.

I can't wait for the next thread.... Is Itachi better than the 2nd Hokage? If I see this one, Itachi fans will have reached a new level of low. Oh he look at his opponent and turn them into water with his Sharingan.

 

[Zoro..]

2nd Hokage I think from what we have seen his water tech is immensely cool and strong

 

[Owarij]

how was i wrong........ i only said he couldnt summon them. Also its not a suprise that Madara and Muu knows about the tech cause just look at how many people know about shisui's eye genjutsu and he could only use it once or twice as it requires at least a decade to recover.
.....But then again you could be right.

what are you talking about? he could summon them and he did.... , Madara fought it before and knew that it was invented for wiping the map clean including the edo...

 

[sVPunisher]

"Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air, making him the greatest known water manipulator in the Naruto universe.[5] He could even perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with only one hand seal." narutopedia quote.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

what are you talking about? he could summon them and he did.... , Madara fought it before and knew that it was invented for wiping the map clean including the edo...

What the heck are you talking about!
Who said he fought IWRs before because madara only mentioned the tech when he was ressurected and he did not say he fought the second or this the tech. Also everyone knows that was obviously a bad translation on ch.561 pg.2 he was talking about the meteors.

 

[Owarij]

What the heck are you talking about!
Who said he fought IWRs before because madara only mentioned the tech when he was ressurected and he did not say he fought the second or this the tech. Also everyone knows that was obviously a bad translation on ch.561 pg.2 he was talking about the meteors.

Dude... he KNEW that when damaged he would start reforming.. .thus he SAID that even when the meteor hit , he would revive.. thats what edo was intended for....

Are you crazy? how would he know edos revive if 2nd couldn't summon any edos? you aren't even making sense...... The 2nd could fully well use edo tensei.. and was known for it by nations....

 

[lanakau888]

The second is hyped to be the greatest water user of his time.

Kisame has had a lot more screen-time than the second, and his water techs seem a lot more impressive. But kisame has never done an attacking water tech without the presence of a body of water, while the second can do it.

So I will say that the second is the better of the two because of the points above.

 

[Onion Soda]

It's obvious, in a series where if you haven't a KG you aren't strong, only few could make to the great leagues. With knowledge, hard-training and a vast arsenal of versatil jutsus used for over years since you create them. Each time we see a new kind of jutsu we have him for antecedent, ever.

Only a genius of geniuses could do this.
Only the boss could do a "get back to the kitchen" to the Uchiha whores when they weren't that much whores.

So I don't conceive Shark boy making it.


Off topic: I really wanted to see Tobirama team vs Kin and Gin army, but kishi doesn't care anymore in the senju bros.

 

[SIGFOR]

We do not know Enough of the 2nds abilities. He barely did much against the 3rd. Also if I am not mistaken he was considered the strongest water type ninja ever. Correct me if I am wrong

 

[Hood]

hahahaha....if you think kisame is a better water style user then the second you are wrong...the second was so advance in water style that he is able to use high level water style justu creating water from the air....as seen when he was facing the third...come on now...yall should know this much...

he wasnt using the air you idiot he was using his spit, and that was for a waterwall but for kisame to spew and change the whole terrain of a battlefield, now thats just as impressive

 

[AntMan]

We only got to see like 2 techs of the 2nd, not enough information.

 

[Saurogoth]

The thing that made the 2nd Hokage infamous was of course his creation of the Edo Tensei resurrection jutsu, but of course he had the natural talent to wield water style jutsus without the need of a water source. The techniques he was able to use were incredible as well, so that factor has more of an edge over Kisame.
Of course the 2nd Hokage died ages ago, which has left him lacking in perhaps newer jutsus which Kisame has perfected. Kisame as well has an enourmous amount of chakra with Samehada, so he would barely need to worry about chakra overuse. As we saw in previous chapters, he was able to use this chakra to create incredible and vicious jutsus that were able to stop Killebee himself.
With all this in mind it's still impossible to dictate who was the better water shinobi:
Kisame- more brawn, chakra amount, vicious jutsu styles, and newer perhaps more advanced techniques.
2nd Hokage- more intuituve, can use water jutsus without the need to worry of a water source, and the fact that was Hokage counts for a reputative factor that has made him famous over generations.
Honestly I'm not very sure who was better, but my money would be on Kisame. With the knowledge we have, we don't know so much about the 2nd Hokage to honestly have opinions. We can only speculate, but honestly, when has that stopped anyone from discussing anything on these threads?

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Kisame made an entire desert into an ocean.
Kisame made a giant inescapable lake sized bubble to drown it's target.
All done with no water present and with no sign of fatigue on kisames part.

As for what someone said above since when did the 2nd Hokage not have to use chakra to summon large bodies of water out of thin air!? Stop making things up people like really your being ignorant......

 

[Saurogoth]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the 2nd Hokage doesnt have the chakra capabilities to compare against Kisame or that Kisame can't wield water outside of a water source.
What I'm pointing out are the prowesses and things that made the two reputable, I'm not being ignorant to anything else that the two are capable of.
Kisame, in my opinion, needs to wield Samehada to be able to summon torrents of water in the desert as that sword is just a giant case for chakra. Without it I'm unsure whether or not he could use the same style of jutsus he was able to use in say the fight against Guy's team.
The second of course had a large amount of chakra, but generally speaking it would prbably take a bit more chakra to use water jutsus without a source of water. The 2nd bipasses that completely, giving him a greater advantage on any water shinobi that needs more chakra to use techniques that require a huge amount of chakra.
and again I'm unsure who would win because of these factors, I'm not being ignorant I'm just extremely sceptible with fights such as these, and not all the information can be processed in one post. I apologise if I came across as anything but neutral in this, but that's all I am: NEUTRAL.

 

[MMaElite]

Even if we didnt know the 2nd hokages limits. You guys are still underestimating him. He was hokage for a reason. And the brother of the first hokage. Im pretty sure his water style jutsu was the best

 

[lord mizukage]

We Have ZERO Feats on shodai hokage to even compare his water manipulation with kisame's. Like cmon people seriously!

But kisame is a water element master. his water jutsu posses immensley Special Properties and capabilities.

 

[Saurogoth]

Even if we didnt know the 2nd hokages limits. You guys are still underestimating him. He was hokage for a reason. And the brother of the first hokage. Im pretty sure his water style jutsu was the best

I'd put money on the fact he was the best in Konoha, and probably the entire fire nation with water techniques. But against a man that studied water style techniques for his entire life? I'm not sure.
But again he can hold his own against water users because he doesnt need to overexert himself with water style techniques in places where water is scarce, whereas a water shinobi would.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

Dude... he KNEW that when damaged he would start reforming.. .thus he SAID that even when the meteor hit , he would revive.. thats what edo was intended for....

Are you crazy? how would he know edos revive if 2nd couldn't summon any edos? you aren't even making sense...... The 2nd could fully well use edo tensei.. and was known for it by nations....

no... you said "what are you talking about? he could summon them and he did.... , Madara fought it before and knew that it was invented for wiping the map clean including the edo..."

Madara never said he fought edo tensei before so you have no proof. When Madara had supposedly died against the Hashirama the 2nd hokage was probably too young to have created the tech.
He couldve created the tech before madara leaving the village thus another way of explaining why Madara knows about the tech.

kabuto said it himself bruh- Ch.520 pg.13"created by the second hokage,perfected by orochimaru sama,it is the most wonderful legacy ever left behind."

So I just proved that the 2nd hokage couldnt use it to the extent Orochimaru used it. If he could then Orochimaru wouldnt have had to complete the technique.

Also even if he could use edo tensei like Orochimaru he banned it himself. He wouldnt even use it when he knows he is going to die. Ch.481 pg.8 he obviously died during that chapter so he didnt use edo tensei.

So that proves he wont ever use it in battle or he knows it would be a waste of time cause he cant use it at full potential probably not at all seeing that he did die.


So.... tell me what proof do you have that he could fully use edo tensei.