Is Killing criminals wrong?

Wolfus

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Hey

So, today I'd like to discuss about one of society's "dillemas": Killing criminals.

There are many kind of criminals: There are people who steal in order to survive, others to become rich and powerful(from robbing banks to becominh corrupt politicians). And, of course, we have murderers.

There are many, many murderers, that don't give a single f*ck about other people's lives, and they'll kill whoever they have to, hell, some even kill for fun or some kind of pleasure.

I'd like you to focus on these folks. Now, is killing them wrong? Well, some idiots, I mean, people, claim that it is, because "they're humans, just like us".

But, are they really like us, innocent citizens? They're humans, I agree, but being humans... is that enough to put them on our level?
Let's see that: We, innocent citizens, we are(usually) not a threat to anyone else. We're not dangerous. We don't kill, let alone have fun with that. But those people I described, on the other hand, they kill, they kill a lot. They are a threat to society, to us, in fact. They destroy families, destroy lives. One murder might be enough to destroy many lives.

My point is: They're not "humans, like us". They are a threat. I'm not telling you to go out there and kill every murderer you find, no. I'm not telling you to mass murder everyone in prison, no.

What I'm telling you is that it's not wrong to kill these guys, if you got a chance. And why am I telling you this?

Because a group of people are actually trying to make that seem as the most disgusting act a person could commit. They're out there, protecting murderer, protecting criminals, protecting people that put our lives and our families in danger.

I don't know how it is in your country, but in mine, the population hates the police. In fact, they don't care if a cop dies. But if a criminal does, they make sure to make a mess.
Again, this is brazil, the place is infected by socialists, communists, anarchists and moralists.

But these people don't exist only in here. And my fear is that, some day, whereever you people are, things start to be the same as in here.

So this is a warning, and an advice. Don't let stupidity take over your country. And, if any of you becomes the president of the USA, consider nuking brazil completelly.

Thanks for the attention.

EDIT: I'm not simply talking about death penalty. I'm talking about a cop shotting a murderer. I'm talking about a civilian reactin to some criminal and killing him, her. In My country, these things bring a lot of headache for the innocent citizens. Because of the dumb moralists.
Some cops I'm fired, some innocent people are sued or arrested.
 
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No I dont think so. Those certain people have issues in their brains. They dont have that certain part of the concious that tells them its wrong. I would lock them away forever but if it has to come to getting them off the earth then its not wrong.
 

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just gonna get the obligatory TL;DR out of the way but anyway i think if someones sentenced to death they should get 3 months-1 year to appeal/prove innocence then be killed via injection not spend 20 years doing whatever they please waiting for death or ending up getting released through bullshit loop holes.
 

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If you end someone's life, if you murder someone, then you deserve to be murdered as well, its simple as that. An eye for an eye. If you murder someone in cold blood by the laws of common sense you deserve equal severity in your punishment as in the crime you committed. That is what our society should demand lest we become unjust in our judgement and let the scales of justice tip too far.
 

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killing anyone is wrong but justice and revenge are one in the same. an eye for an eye makes the world blind, true. but if we do not live this way then all the good, kindhearted, and timid would be dead. so yeah. killing criminals is bad. but we should still do it to preserve balance.
 

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Killing people because killing people is wrong.

Life in prison for cases where the death penalty is issued is more than enough, in fact, it's an even greater punishment.
 

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no
we should do it more often
we spend way too much on them

they get to stay in prison
they have a roof over their heads and 3 meals a day (i think lol)

there are good people out there that are homeless and starving :|
we should stop wasting so much ****ing money on housing/feeding murderers and rapists
and spend more on helping good citizens that are in need
 

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Killing criminals is wrong. Leaving them alive is also wrong. There is no right answer to questions like these. Life, morals and justice are very fragile things and constantly changes throughout the course of time by those at the top who govern us. If you think its wrong then its wrong. If you think its right then its right. Honestly, justice and true morals doesn't exist.
 

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Society believes murder is wrong
 

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Killing criminals is wrong. Leaving them alive is also wrong. There is no right answer to questions like these. Life, morals and justice are very fragile things and constantly changes throughout the course of time by those at the top who govern us. If you think its wrong then its wrong. If you think its right then its right. Honestly, justice and true morals doesn't exist.

man this guy knows the difference between the reality we live in and actuality
 

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no
we should do it more often
we spend way too much on them

they get to stay in prison
they have a roof over their heads and 3 meals a day (i think lol)

there are good people out there that are homeless and starving :|
we should stop wasting so much ****ing money on housing/feeding murderers and rapists
and spend more on helping good citizens that are in need

A man's daughter is gangraped. He finds the rapists a few months later himself and murders them all. Even though they did commit that crime against him, that's not seen as justice and is instead seen as vigilantism, which doesn't excuse you from the law. This man will most likely receive the death penalty if he is convicted in a state where the penalty is applied.

This man murdered criminals and is in the wrong. What makes a judge or jury anymore special? Because they say they are? Vigilantism and murder, justice and death penalty, they're all the same in the end, the only difference is the superficial difference of the latter resulting in a paycheck and the former resulting in prosecution.

Self-defense or defending someone else is the only excuse for taking another life.
 
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I don't think anyone has the right to take anthers life, criminal or state official.
 

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things are cheaper for them if they do kill them off then....but i think it depends on what they did
 

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Killing criminals is wrong. Leaving them alive is also wrong. There is no right answer to questions like these. Life, morals and justice are very fragile things and constantly changes throughout the course of time by those at the top who govern us. If you think its wrong then its wrong. If you think its right then its right. Honestly, justice and true morals doesn't exist.

I strongly disagree with the last statement. That's actually the kind of thought that leads to disaster and chaos. I'm not insulting you, directly. But seriously. Morals and justiced, they are stablished in order to otimize society's comfort, our comfort, and safety.
"If you think is wrong is wrong, and if you think it's right, it's right". These, in the minds of wrong people, leads to great disasters, crimes, murders, and so on.

Rules are stabilshed. And, in our case, right/good is what benefits society, it's citizens, whereas evil/wrong is whatever harms it in any way.
"If you want to see if something is good or bad, imagine if everybody else did the same". That is from a philosopher whose name I don't recall because my history teacher quoted him.

But that's it, you know.
 

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Why would you commit the very same act that gave them the title "murder?"
 

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I don't think anyone has the right to take anthers life, criminal or state official.

Lives are different one from another, you know. A murderer's life, it's very different from ours. In fact, his is quite harmful, and dangerous. And he doesn't care if it's wrong or right to kill people.

So, why exactly is it what we should do whatever it takes to protect him?
 

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Killing criminals is wrong. Leaving them alive is also wrong. There is no right answer to questions like these. Life, morals and justice are very fragile things and constantly changes throughout the course of time by those at the top who govern us. If you think its wrong then its wrong. If you think its right then its right. Honestly, justice and true morals doesn't exist.

Nailed it. I can't even think of a better way to phrase how I felt about the situation, or even a better way to phrase what you just said. Justice and morals seem to vary from person to person, a question like this will change depending on location, time, person, anything. It's just too fragile of a concept.

But from my point of view, killing criminals is wrong. Taking someone's life for someone's else's life is wrong just about anyway I look at it, except a few scenarios which is partly what I think the user I quoted was getting at too. The fact that the situation can vary given the scenario is why it's valid to say that justice and morals are fragile.
 

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Why would you commit the very same act that gave them the title "murder?"

Because it's not the same, and that's what some can't noticed. The murderer killed an innocent citizen, under normal circunstances, whereas what I'm talking about is killing a murderer. Ending a threat, and potentially saving a lot of lives.
Again, I'm not telling anyone to kill them first chance you have. But if that's the option in hand, then don't be afraid of doing it, that's my point.

Sometimes in life, you have to chose what you want to protect, and for that, sometimes, other things must be sacrificed. In these cases, if you want to protect your fellow citizens, then a murderer must be killed.

What do you want to protect?
 

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Chopping off a hand for most criminal acts is a good way to go. I can bet they won't try what they did again.
 
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