Is Kakashi Top 20 ?

[Rayder]

Is Kakashi Top 20 ?
In a list would Kakashi make it to Top 20.
In my list no he is not. But I want to hear other people's opinions.

1)Madara
2)Tobi(Obito)
3)Hashirama
4)Kabuto (DSM)
5)Nagato
6)Naruto
7)3rd Raikage
8)Sasuke
9)Muu
10)Itachi
11)Minato
12)Onoki
13)A
14)Killer Bee
15)Danzo
16)Orochimaru
17)2nd Mizukage
18)Jiraiya
19)Kisame
20)Gaara

In my list Kakashi doesn't make it does he in yours ?

Spoiler

This thread will most likely be flamed by Minato fans but I'm going to go ahead anyway. This thread is to show why A beats Minato(or draws if Minato uses Dead Demon Seal)

Fourth Raikage vs Fourth Hokage​

4th Raikage​

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[Bogard]

Look at my sig. He is top15

 

[Naruto9001]

Bad list. Madara isn't number 1 Tobi is unless your trying to tell me Madara can beat 7 mountain busting bijuus,gedo mazo and kamui which makes it impossible for Madara. Kabuto is another one stronger than Madara and Hashirama his edo tensei army would rape them. Sasuke cant beat Muu.

 

[Rayder]

Bad list. Madara isn't number 1 Tobi is unless your trying to tell me Madara can beat 7 mountain busting bijuus,gedo mazo and kamui which makes it impossible for Madara. Kabuto is another one stronger than Madara and Hashirama his edo tensei army would rape them. Sasuke cant beat Muu.

Its not about the list it's about whether or not Kakashi makes it in top 20 in your list. Orochimaru took Edo Tensei back off Kabuto so he doesn't have it anymore.
Sasuke can beat Muu . U_U

Good point about the Tobi thing though.

 

[Talha52]

Too much to type too lazy to do that xd

 

[Bogard]

From your list who i see him beating for sure are Gaara and Kisame. Against Danzo it depends if you believe that Izanagi protects against warping or not, but anyway Kakashi with his current feats, and chakra, plus his strategical battle has shown enough for me to put him above him. He can struggle against A, 3rd Raikage and some others on your list, but i see him winning at the end except against the one i put above him in my sig

 

[Jaded210]

no particular order.
1.Jiraiya
2.Minato
3.Kakashi
4. Naruto
5.Killer bee
6.Shikamaru
7.Itachi
8.Nagato
9.Suigetsu
10.Konan
11.Sasuke
12.Tobi
13.Darui
14.Hashirama
15.Gaara
16.Danzo
17.Orochumaru
18.Kabuto
19.Madara
20.Kisame

 

[Rayder]

From your list who i see him beating for sure are Gaara and Kisame. Against Danzo it depends if you believe that Izanagi protects against warping or not, but anyway Kakashi with his current feats, and chakra, plus his strategical battle has shown enough for me to put him above him. He can struggle against A, 3rd Raikage and some others on your list, but i see him winning at the end except against the one i put above him in my sig

Really ? against 3rd Raikage.:sy: I don't want to hear how the hell you can think that but tell me why do you think he can beat A ?

 

[Bogard]

Really ? against 3rd Raikage.:sy: I don't want to hear how the hell you can think that but tell me why do you think he can beat A ?

When he has no knowledge about the ennemy, Kakashi almost everytime starts the fight with a kage bunshin or kawarimi the time to accumulate information about the opponent. Eventhough 3rd Raikage is a monster, he still has no counters for kamui. With a kage bunshin to distract the Raikage, Kakashi will most likely notice that he can't win unless he warps him away with kamui

 

[Rayder]

When he has no knowledge about the ennemy, Kakashi almost everytime starts the fight with a kage bunshin or kawarimi the time to accumulate information about the opponent. Eventhough 3rd Raikage is a monster, he still has no counters for kamui. With a kage bunshin to distract the Raikage, Kakashi will most likely notice that he can't win unless he warps him away with kamui

Have you thought of the possibility of both of them being fast enough to dodge it ?

 

[Bogard]

Have you thought of the possibility of both of them being fast enough to dodge it ?

You can't dodge what you can't see. Kamui is invisible. Even Tobi and his Sharingan and Rinnengan wasn't able to notice it. He even warped BM Naruto(who is faster than both A and Raikage) in an instant. And even if somehow they were able to notice, Kakashi has already shown the capacity of being able to distract the ennemy with a clone like against Deva and Asura for example while himself was hiding and observing the fight without they even knew. These are certain opportunities that Kakashi can create to be able to strike with Kamui without problems

 

[Rayder]

You can't dodge what you can't see. Kamui is invisible. Even Tobi and his Sharingan and Rinnengan wasn't able to notice it. He even warped BM Naruto(who is faster than both A and Raikage) in an instant. And even if somehow they were able to notice, Kakashi has already shown the capacity of being able to distract the ennemy with a clone like against Deva and Asura for example while himself was hiding and observing the fight without they even knew. These are certain opportunities that Kakashi can create to be able to strike with Kamui without problems

It was not as if Naruto was trying to dodge it. Naruto was working with Kakashi and he intended to get hit by kamui . Thats like saying Kakashi and 6 Gate Guy are same speed because they syncronized an attack together.
By the time he realized that A was too strong and that he would have to resort to Kamui he would already be dead. A could just speed blitz him at the beginning of the fight and because of his big build Kakashi might not think that he is that fast.

 

[Bogard]

It was not as if Naruto was trying to dodge it. Naruto was working with Kakashi and he intended to get hit by kamui . Thats like saying Kakashi and 6 Gate Guy are same speed because they syncronized an attack together.
By the time he realized that A was too strong and that he would have to resort to Kamui he would already be dead. A could just speed blitz him at the beginning of the fight and because of his big build Kakashi might not think that he is that fast.

Like i've said, when Kakashi has no knowledge about the ennemy he usually use Kage bunshin or kawarimi from the start. Also, A rarely uses his V2 at the begin of the fight. Just look against Sasuke, and Sasuke was able to follow him with the Sharingan until he used V2, so i see Kakashi able to do the same at least, and it gives enough time to Kakashi to use feints, analyse his opponent and strike

 

[Rayder]

Like i've said, when Kakashi has no knowledge about the ennemy he usually use Kage bunshin or kawarimi from the start. Also, A rarely uses his V2 at the begin of the fight. Just look against Sasuke, and Sasuke was able to follow him with the Sharingan until he used V2, so i see Kakashi able to do the same at least, and it gives enough time to Kakashi to use feints, analyse his opponent and strike

The same could be said for Kamui Kakashi rarely starts a fight with that.
I doubt a lightning clone will do much against A or 3rd Raikage seeing as the latter to a TBB and Rasenshurken with no damage.
Also Kakashi would think that he is slow because of his big build. By the time A has his fist in his fast and he reallizes that he is really fast his head has already been separated from his body.

 

[Bogard]

The same could be said for Kamui Kakashi rarely starts a fight with that.
I doubt a lightning clone will do much against A or 3rd Raikage seeing as the latter to a TBB and Rasenshurken with no damage.
Also Kakashi would think that he is slow because of his big build. By the time A has his fist in his fast and he reallizes that he is really fast his head has already been separated from his body.

This is why i've said Kakashi will use kage bunshin from the start as usual(it's his fighting style) and at some point he will notice that he can't win except if he uses Kamui. I never said he would use Kamui from the start unless he has no choice.

Also you seems to think that Raikage needs no preparation to enter V2. It's wrong. Do you notice that to be that insanly fast(V2), Raikage needs to concentrate and accumulate chakra, right?

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And you really believe that if Kakashi see something like this, he won't suspect something? Especially when you know that Kakashi is one of the most cautious ninja in NV?

Also, Minato seems to say that Raikage already had a certain reputation because of his shunshin:

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And that was back then. Imagine right now when even Kakashi seems to know the Raikage

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So it's clearly safe to assume that in a hypothetical fight against Raikage, Kakashi would be already aware of what he is going for when in the contrary Raikage has no knowledge about Kamui. Don't also forget that the reason why he was able to avoid Amaterasu was because he already had knowledge about it(Sasuke fought Killer-Bee before), and prepared himself for it(by concentration chakra like on my pic), when Kamui like i've said is invisible and instant

 

[Tazzilla88]

So Tsunade is in my top 20
1. Kabuto
2. Madara
3. Obito
4. Hashirama
5. Nagato
6. Naruto
7. Muu
8. Oonoki
9. Itachi (due to intelligence)
10. Killer Bee
11. Third Raikage
12. Sasuke
13. Tsunade/Orochimaru/Jiraiya
14. Jiraiya/Tsunade/Orochimaru
15. Orochimaru /Jiraiya/Tsunade
16. 2nd Mizukage
17. Gaara
18. Minato
19.A
20. Kisame/Kakashi/Gai (I can't really decide here)

 

[Bogard]

So Tsunade is in my top 20
1. Kabuto
2. Madara
3. Obito
4. Hashirama
5. Nagato
6. Naruto
7. Muu
8. Oonoki
9. Itachi (due to intelligence)
10. Killer Bee
11. Third Raikage
12. Sasuke
13. Tsunade/Orochimaru/Jiraiya
14. Jiraiya/Tsunade/Orochimaru
15. Orochimaru /Jiraiya/Tsunade
16. 2nd Mizukage
17. Gaara
18. Minato
19.A
20. Kisame/Kakashi/Gai (I can't really decide here)

Wow, you severly underestimate Minato here

 

[Tazzilla88]

Wow, you severly underestimate Minato here

Minato is severely overrated. Yes he's strong, but not that strong. His techs are ideal for fodders.
I could name ways for each of the people above him to beat him. Though I will grant you that his rate of success goes up without knowledge.

 

[Rayder]

This is why i've said Kakashi will use kage bunshin from the start as usual(it's his fighting style) and at some point he will notice that he can't win except if he uses Kamui. I never said he would use Kamui from the start unless he has no choice.

Also you seems to think that Raikage needs no preparation to enter V2. It's wrong. Do you notice that to be that insanly fast(V2), Raikage needs to concentrate and accumulate chakra, right?

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And you really believe that if Kakashi see something like this, he won't suspect something? Especially when you know that Kakashi is one of the most cautious ninja in NV?

Also, Minato seems to say that Raikage already had a certain reputation because of his shunshin:

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And that was back then. Imagine right now when even Kakashi seems to know the Raikage

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So it's clearly safe to assume that in a hypothetical fight against Raikage, Kakashi would be already aware of what he is going for when in the contrary Raikage has no knowledge about Kamui. Don't also forget that the reason why he was able to avoid Amaterasu was because he already had knowledge about it(Sasuke fought Killer-Bee before), and prepared himself for it(by concentration chakra like on my pic), when Kamui like i've said is invisible and instant

But Kakashi too is very well known and is called Kakashi of the Sharingan and Kakashi of 1000 jutsu's. A did not know the details of the fight all he knew was that a missin-nin from the leaf village working with Akatsuki called Sasuke Uchiha. He knew nothing about Suigetsu,Jugo and Karin who were there for the whole duration of the fight.
Also it only to him took him one panel to enter V2 which is not that long.

 

[Bogard]

Minato is severely overrated. Yes he's strong, but not that strong. His techs are ideal for fodders.
I could name ways for each of the people above him to beat him. Though I will grant you that his rate of success goes up without knowledge.

It's true that sometimes he gets overrated, but honestly i feel like Minato is more underrated currently in NB than really overrated, and i do believe that you underrate Minatos fighting style greatly. He is the fastest ninja in NV(with Naruto now), the best reflexes in the manga, sealing jutsus, Summoning jutsus, rasengan. He is overhyped in this manga. Raikage, Kakashi and Kishimoto even said that he was unsurpassed, so by this words, i don't really see where he gets overrated. If it's the case, then you must say that Kishi is the one who overrates him, not us :shrug:

But Kakashi too is very well known and is called Kakashi of the Sharingan and Kakashi of 1000 jutsu's. A did not know the details of the fight all he knew was that a missin-nin from the leaf village working with Akatsuki called Sasuke Uchiha. He knew nothing about Suigetsu,Jugo and Karin who were there for the whole duration of the fight.
Also it only to him took him one panel to enter V2 which is not that long.

Of course Kakashi is very well known(a panel before the one i posted, darui and Raikage were even discussing about that), but it's Kamui here which is not known since it's a new jutsu that Kakashi only recently developped and it would have a great importance in this battle. Also not saying it takes too long for Raikage to reach V2. I'm only saying that Kakashi won't be reckless cuz it's not his habit to do stupid things like aiming at someone with no reasons