Is Jesus really God?

[YowYan]

the various sects differ about secondary things. not the fundamentals. and these various sects are just people who have little knowledge of their religion, and who like to model the religion so it fits what they want. if you read and study the Quran as it should be studied : rigorously. you will find that the meanings are clear.

disagreements in the Quran are between the scholars on matters that God chose to give freedom of interpretation to. secondary matters. and there are clear rules to how a person should interpret, and who is allowed to interpret (for exemple you should be a scholar known in the scientific community for your knowledge on islam, you should be known for your trustworthiness, etc.)

and no, its not about ambiguity and interpretations, the arabic language is one of the most precise languages in the world. it is so well made that every one who studies it is amazed. I would ask you to avoid simplification and to avoid talking about things you have little knowledge of (no bashing here, it's just a request) : things like the arabic language, or the Quran, or the islam. because these are very complexe matters.

all of what I said is just to clarify to you that in Islam, there is absolutely no ambiguity on the fact that god is one.

I have all the right to talk about a subject I have little knowledge of as long as I never stated I was well read on it. I'm actually asking you about this, I'm not telling you. And so far, any discussion with a muslim in real life so far, ended with their silence.

And that's strange, I've been in a mosque before and spoke to several muslims and by their own words, the arabic language has characters that have more than one meaning. And could give many quran verses more than one meaning, depending on what interpretation suits your interests.

And again, feel free to go against the above ^ I'm here to learn.

 

[nefraiko]

I have all the right to talk about a subject I have little knowledge of as long as I never stated I was well read on it. I'm actually asking you about this, I'm not telling you. And so far, any discussion with a muslim in real life so far, ended with their silence.

And that's strange, I've been in a mosque before and spoke to several muslims and by their own words, the arabic language has characters that have more than one meaning. And could give many quran verses more than one meaning, depending on what interpretation suits your interests.

And again, feel free to go against the above ^ I'm here to learn.

hum, the Quran ? interpretations that suit your interests ? never found something like that. unless you don't have the intelectual knowledge to understand the meaning of the sentences. then, of course, you can interpret it as you like. that is why only the renown scholars are allowed to interpret what is interpretable, and even them conclude every interpretation with the famous "and god has more knowledge on this"

I can say to you : "take the left road and turn right after that" any person that have knowledge of english and that has no ill intentions will see here only one meaning, you take the left and go to the right after.
but an ignorant of english, or of the context I said this sentence in it, or someone with ill intent can interpret this non interpretable sentence for exemple : "take the left road", take the one who left the road, "and turn right after that" and turn into right a situation that was not right.

in the Quran the meanings of the words are used in a unique way. not to give many interpretations, let me give you an example.
"wa al'arda ba'ada thalika dahaha" --> and after that he made the earth ... here the translator have a problem with the word dahaha. because this word means in the same time : to expand, to make way, to make it simple, to make something simple of use for a user, etc. one word, different meanings. But the thing is, the earth is in fact all of this in the same time. it is expanded and is human friendly. that is how multiple meanings are used by god in the Quran, the word best suited for the use of these meanings in the Quran is : Optimal.

for the muslims that kept their mouth shut when you asked them about islam, I can understand, it is not a muslims duty to make you know about islam. as muslims believe that only the prophets have the duty to spread islam. the last one is dead long ago. the spreading of islam is under the juridiction of god, as he stated in the Quran, how he does it ? only him knows.

when / if you make your research about islam you'll have to be carefull and chose carefully your sources. the first book of course you should read is the Quran, but, as a non arab, you HAVE to read rigorously works of explanations. the contexts. be carefull about the "false scholars" people who claim being scholars while they are not.

will the person who begins researching on islam find the good sources ? will this person be able to grasp the meanings ? only god knows

I'm here to learn.

you have my respect, I'm also here to learn.

 

[YowYan]

hum, the Quran ? interpretations that suit your interests ? never found something like that. unless you don't have the intelectual knowledge to understand the meaning of the sentences. then, of course, you can interpret it as you like. that is why only the renown scholars are allowed to interpret what is interpretable, and even them conclude every interpretation with the famous "and god has more knowledge on this"

I can say to you : "take the left road and turn right after that" any person that have knowledge of english and that has no ill intentions will see here only one meaning, you take the left and go to the right after.
but an ignorant of english, or of the context I said this sentence in it, or someone with ill intent can interpret this non interpretable sentence for exemple : "take the left road", take the one who left the road, "and turn right after that" and turn into right a situation that was not right.

in the Quran the meanings of the words are used in a unique way. not to give many interpretations, let me give you an example.
"wa al'arda ba'ada thalika dahaha" --> and after that he made the earth ... here the translator have a problem with the word dahaha. because this word means in the same time : to expand, to make way, to make it simple, to make something simple of use for a user, etc. one word, different meanings. But the thing is, the earth is in fact all of this in the same time. it is expanded and is human friendly. that is how multiple meanings are used by god in the Quran, the word best suited for the use of these meanings in the Quran is : Optimal.

for the muslims that kept their mouth shut when you asked them about islam, I can understand, it is not a muslims duty to make you know about islam. as muslims believe that only the prophets have the duty to spread islam. the last one is dead long ago. the spreading of islam is under the juridiction of god, as he stated in the Quran, how he does it ? only him knows.

when / if you make your research about islam you'll have to be carefull and chose carefully your sources. the first book of course you should read is the Quran, but, as a non arab, you HAVE to read rigorously works of explanations. the contexts. be carefull about the "false scholars" people who claim being scholars while they are not.

will the person who begins researching on islam find the good sources ? will this person be able to grasp the meanings ? only god knows


you have my respect, I'm also here to learn.

That's the problem here, as a person who does not speak or read Arabic there's no way for me to verify the authencity of translated verses in comparison to the original script itself.

Still odd that there are false scholars that have a grand following amongst any major organised religion ._.

Oh, and yeah.. no I never bothered asking them about Islam, they provoked debate and were all silenced with a few simple questions and corrections.

 

[nefraiko]

That's the problem here, as a person who does not speak or read Arabic there's no way for me to verify the authencity of translated verses in comparison to the original script itself.

yep.

Still odd that there are false scholars that have a grand following amongst any major organised religion ._.

people read very little, so all it takes is a person that knows how to influence people, and that knows about a topic in order for people to follow what he says. you see, critical thinking is nourished by reading. the more you read the more you know about the complexity of reality and the more you become critical about anything you hear or read.
for people who don't read or read a little, it is hard to be critical, as they don't really know what critical thinking is.

the only way to keep yourself safe is to read from multiple countradictory sources. to get the whole image.

for example, while the rules of interpretation in islam are there, set. there are only a few people who know about it. that is why you have all these know it all interpreting as they like. and let's not even bring the non muslim, non arab talkers that begin to interpret as they please the Quran.

Oh, and yeah.. no I never bothered asking them about Islam, they provoked debate and were all silenced with a few simple questions and corrections.

yeah, they don't know a lot about their religion. but also, a victory in oral debates shouldn't be taken as a victory. that is because oral communication is biased. there are many factors that make the ideas secondary. for example the tone, the nervousness, the stress...
or they just didn't know the answer. but that's them, if they don't know enough about there religion you should find answers somewhere else. in books for example.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

By saying Jesus is a son of God, does it mean an actual son of God? Like biological father and son? Or son as figurative?

EDIT:
OK. I found the answer.

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