Is Jesus really God?

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

well? xd

I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you said to me in the last reply. Could you reformulate your answer please?

 

[YowYan]

it's a region in the middle east most which many religions originated from many of them have common similarity in which old stories are told in different forms,versions, and variations. I honeslty don't have full knowledge on the whole torah but supposedly Mesopotamia was the birthplace of Abraham also you could be right because the hebrew bible doesn't have translation for the letter A.

the story of noah flood

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story about 7 day creation and the solar system

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yeah zoroastrianism is another religion from Mesopotamia many of the stories so familiar i'm guessing that the ancestors of the descendants of modern day religion originated from that location giving birth to different variations of the stories told .

God and Jesus

Didn't you just take a quote from the old testament?

Humanity was already prosperous at the time Jesus supposedly lived.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you said to me in the last reply. Could you reformulate your answer please?

no biggie.

Well, the quote you mentioned seems like it came from the old testament. Which occurs in a period predating the birth of Jezus. So how is god talking to Jezus about creating humankind in their form when at the time Jezus was alive, humanity was already numerous.

Not to mention the fact that when you look up older versions of the bible, the old testament refers to god in a plurar manner. Meaning 'more than one'.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

no biggie.

Well, the quote you mentioned seems like it came from the old testament. Which occurs in a period predating the birth of Jezus. So how is god talking to Jezus about creating humankind in their form when at the time Jezus was alive, humanity was already numerous.

Not to mention the fact that when you look up older versions of the bible, the old testament refers to god in a plurar manner. Meaning 'more than one'.

Well ,this part of the old testament is right in Genesis where there were not people at all. So it's in the creation of the world. It's God and Jesus talking about the creation of humankind.

 

[YowYan]

Well ,this part of the old testament is right in Genesis where there were not people at all. So it's in the creation of the world. It's God and Jesus talking about the creation of humankind.

Yes, so, before Jezus was born God is talking to him? ._.

And I thought Cain and Abel, or one of them, was banished and stated to be afraid of the ''others''? Maybe implying they weren't the only ones?

 

[Mensa]

Well ,this part of the old testament is right in Genesis where there were not people at all. So it's in the creation of the world. It's God and Jesus talking about the creation of humankind.

Since you claim that you have studied the bible I'm take it you have no problem understanding that the quote you outlined from Genesis is likely to be false?

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Take a seat internet badass.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Yes, so, before Jezus was born God is talking to him? ._.

And I thought Cain and Abel, or one of them, was banished and stated to be afraid of the ''others''? Maybe implying they weren't the only ones?

Yes! You got it right, Jesus already exist even in heavens before he came here.
And about Cain and Abel, I don't understand your question again sorry, I'm so dense. XD

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Since you claim that you have studied the bible I'm take it you have no problem understanding that the quote you outlined from Genesis is likely to be false?

Take a seat internet badass.

Would you please explain to me why it would be false to you, I really would like to know.

 

[Mensa]

Would you please explain to me why it would be false to you, I really would like to know.

Are you not aware of how the bible you read today came to be? The bible has been rewritten, revised and whatnot over a hundred times - a huge portion of it is false- and even today it's being edited. So why do you confidently quote verses from it when there's a good chance that verse was made up?

 

[YowYan]

Yes! You got it right, Jesus already exist even in heavens before he came here.
And about Cain and Abel, I don't understand your question again sorry, I'm so dense. XD

Ok, well, I don't remember any mention of that in the Bible and I was raised christian. (until I started using my brain)

Well, I recall a part from the old testament in which the sons of Adam and Eve spoke about the ''others outside the garden''.
And older versions of the bible refer to God with a plural. More than one. That's interesting.

 

[nefraiko]

Who is ''our'' ?

when a king talks he says for example "we have made that decision" "our royal court" etc.
it's the our of royalty and majesty

 

[YowYan]

when a king talks he says for example "we have made that decision" "our royal court" etc.
it's the our of royalty and majesty

I see I see

So the same goes for the religious interpretation of god?

 

[nefraiko]

I see I see

So the same goes for the religious interpretation of god?

I just wanted to clarify that when god says "our", "we" or "us" he only talks about one being, him, god. he also uses the same expressions in the Quran. as you will see in this surate (surate : the resurection)

"No ! I swear by the day of the resurrection.
and no ! I swear by the self that always blames itself.
Does the human think that We will not assemble his bones ?
oh yes ! We are able to recreate his fingerprints.

...(and later in the surate you have also)

don't move your tongue with it (the Quran) quickly so you can make it quick
it's assemblment and it's recitation (the Quran) is our responsability
so if We recite it, follow the way it is recited
and then it is Our responsability to make it clear (for the listener)"

as you can see, in the begining he says "I swear", and later he says "we..."
he seems here to use the term "we" when he talks about performing a godly / powerfull / allmighty act

just like a king or a judge for exemple uses the term we to express his power / authority when for exemple he says "we hereby sentence you to death"

 

[YowYan]

I just wanted to clarify that when god says "our", "we" or "us" he only talks about one being, him, god. he also uses the same expressions in the Quran. as you will see in this surate (surate : the resurection)

"No ! I swear by the day of the resurrection.
and no ! I swear by the self that always blames itself.
Does the human think that We will not assemble his bones ?
oh yes ! We are able to recreate his fingerprints.

...(and later in the surate you have also)

don't move your tongue with it (the Quran) quickly so you can make it quick
it's assemblment and it's recitation (the Quran) is our responsability
so if We recite it, follow the way it is recited
and then it is Our responsability to make it clear (for the listener)"

as you can see, in the begining he says "I swear", and later he says "we..."
he seems here to use the term "we" when he talks about performing a godly / powerfull / allmighty act

just like a king or a judge for exemple uses the term we to express his power / authority when for exemple he says "we hereby sentence you to death"

That's something none of us can verify the authenticity of. To me, the most logical explanation, when actually going through the oldest religious scripts and reading about the mentionings of god, it makes more sense to there having been more than one behind the scenes. Because as you link back the use of ancient words, they usually show you god pictured as a plural.

''He''.. could also be reffering to his kind when saying ''we'' as playing god wouldn't be his decision alone to make.

(Just entertaining the idea here)

 

[nefraiko]

That's something none of us can verify the authenticity of. To me, the most logical explanation, when actually going through the oldest religious scripts and reading about the mentionings of god, it makes more sense to there having been more than one behind the scenes. Because as you link back the use of ancient words, they usually show you god pictured as a plural.

''He''.. could also be reffering to his kind when saying ''we'' as playing god wouldn't be his decision alone to make.

(Just entertaining the idea here)

I've read pieces of what people now say that it is the bible, this "bible" is clearly written by men ain't gonna say anything other than that. but, in the Quran the meaning of the words and the use of the words is precise and cristal clear. I don't know about other languages, but in arabic, a king or a very powerfull being uses commonly the term (we / us ) when he wants to express his power / authority.

it has nothing to do with verifying the authentaticity of it. in the Quran's case, eather you understand the language or you do not. because in there is only one possible meaning. if you understand the language then you can translate it's meaning to other languages.

there has never been any missunderstandings or disagreements between people (eather muslims or non muslims) about the fundamentals of islam. and one of them is that there is only one god.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Ok, well, I don't remember any mention of that in the Bible and I was raised christian. (until I started using my brain)

Well, I recall a part from the old testament in which the sons of Adam and Eve spoke about the ''others outside the garden''.
And older versions of the bible refer to God with a plural. More than one. That's interesting.

Well, you can see it in other words in chapter 1, versicle 26.

 

[Deadlift]

I read and studied the whole Bible, I can affirm to you that God is one thing and Jesus another.

When God said "Let's do the man according to Our image", he was talking with his own Son.
And by the way, there is no way when Jesus was on Earth, that he could have prayed to himself. Think about this.

Unless you are confusing the Godhead with God the Father

 

[YowYan]

I've read pieces of what people now say that it is the bible, this "bible" is clearly written by men ain't gonna say anything other than that. but, in the Quran the meaning of the words and the use of the words is precise and cristal clear. I don't know about other languages, but in arabic, a king or a very powerfull being uses commonly the term (we / us ) when he wants to express his power / authority.

it has nothing to do with verifying the authentaticity of it. in the Quran's case, eather you understand the language or you do not. because in there is only one possible meaning. if you understand the language then you can translate it's meaning to other languages.

there has never been any missunderstandings or disagreements between people (eather muslims or non muslims) about the fundamentals of islam. and one of them is that there is only one god.

I thought every arabic word could have more than 4 interpretations and that made for the various sects out there.

 

[Avani 🥈]

christianity could be considered as some kind of jewish sect/cult. and the jewish religion was greatly inspired the the pre islam persian religion called zoroastrianism...
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Zoroastrianism and Hinduism share a remote common history. ( Vedic Hinduism is older than Zoroastrianism. Vedas predate Zarathustra)

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

lol its funny, if you actually read the parabole throughout, most people take it way wrong

in it Jesus was trying to be an example of the connection between god and man and how to achieve it, not to be worshipped. but most people dont even try to follow his words, its just about how he died when he shouldnt have and instead place all their wants and needs on him lolololxD

but whatever, life is full of contradicitions and fallacies

 

[nefraiko]

I thought every arabic word could have more than 4 interpretations and that made for the various sects out there.

the various sects differ about secondary things. not the fundamentals. and these various sects are just people who have little knowledge of their religion, and who like to model the religion so it fits what they want. if you read and study the Quran as it should be studied : rigorously. you will find that the meanings are clear.

disagreements in the Quran are between the scholars on matters that God chose to give freedom of interpretation to. secondary matters. and there are clear rules to how a person should interpret, and who is allowed to interpret (for exemple you should be a scholar known in the scientific community for your knowledge on islam, you should be known for your trustworthiness, etc.)

and no, its not about ambiguity and interpretations, the arabic language is one of the most precise languages in the world. it is so well made that every one who studies it is amazed. I would ask you to avoid simplification and to avoid talking about things you have little knowledge of (no bashing here, it's just a request) : things like the arabic language, or the Quran, or the islam. because these are very complexe matters.

all of what I said is just to clarify to you that in Islam, there is absolutely no ambiguity on the fact that god is one.