[Discussion] Is It Right For Women To Withold *** In A Relationship?

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Hello sir,

At the core of your questions, while putting aside any insecurities, fallacies, or miscommunications, on both sides of the coin, I couldn't help but to remember and research what the Bible says about *** and marriage. Also, I read somewhere in the first page of replies how you recently got back to the church. So with this in mind I want to reply to you as a follower of Christ.

In the New Testament the apostle Paul--a messenger and witness of the Christ sent out by Jesus Himself, a.k.a the Son of God, for those who don't know what is an "apostle" is--wrote to the early churches mentioning aspects of *** and marriage. Two that comes to mind are the churches of Corinthia and Ephesia. In 1 Corinthians chapter 7, Paul gives the church some guidelines and reminders regarding how *** and marriage should be within the Church, namely, because that kind of stuff wasn't happening prior his letters (you may even find verse 5 appealing but it's not meant to be used cunningly). Drama, tensions, and confusions where common, as you can image with their forms of communications back in the days.

And for the other, Paul also wrote to the city the Ephesians, more specially in Ephesians 5:22-33 in what manner one ought to love your wife\husband. Now these are the two examples that kind of jumped out of my head (and some epic Google searches for verification). There are more, I'm pretty sure. But hopefully it can be a start in getting some insight to your questions.

In more practical terms I'll bear repeating what others have already said about how important good and honest communications is, not just in marriage but all forms for relationships. From friends to family, and beyond. And when you need to express a concern do so with with humility, truth, and love. All in equal measure. The world, and more so the internet, dismisses humility and love because they are seen as weak or perhaps inconsequential to effective communication. But you sir reminded me that humility paves the way for greater wisdom. How? You may ask? Because you put this question in a forum where it probably isn't the most appropriate due to the maturity of some\many of the audience member in it. Still, you clearly felt that you needed to ask. And so, you received. Far be it from me to slight you. On the contrary, I'm complimenting you.

Sir, forgive me. I have already written too much but please bear with me just a little more. If I may suggest. It is good to find mentors in ones life. Around 3-5 is ideal. If you ever read secular books or just know highly effective and successful people you will find that they all have mentors in their lives. Handful of people who have values, or something, that can positively affect your growth development in life. If trust is an issue then become that trustful person so that trustful people enter your life. If you feel that you already that person then be even more humble than before. If still no progress it may be difficult but reassess the people whom you call friends in your life. But above all else, know, or relearn, who Jesus is, and His message. A Christian is a follower of Christ. Following involves not just believing, but doing too. It's a relationship. And you can't Do unless you Know. And you can't Know unless you spent time discovering and learning who. So that once you learn you truly believe, and then by that faith, do. Thus, it is by our Faith that we are made Righteous in God's eyes. In James 2:17 he talks about Faith without works is dead. And Hebrews 11, it talks about Faith by their works and how the mentioned ones were made righteousness; how they pleased God.

So, in the end. Will you take the time to know who the son of God is? Anyways, what you're doing is good, for no one who keeps asking remains a fool (not that I ever believed you were one to begin with, I'm just making a general statement). Thanks for reading. Peace!
 

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In my country (Maldives), withholding intimacy, or denying pleasure for long periods (months/years) is a plausible cause for a divorce (for either side) by law, and that's saying something, since there aren't many things for which a woman is allowed to ask for a divorce here (our culture is very male-dominated).

On the other hand, such a divorce is also considered very shameful (you'd be blamed for chasing riches/material wealth/etc.), and would result in the guilty party having trouble his future marriages (your previous marriages/cause for divorce will be revisited in future marriages), so this is generally not a problem here (though divorce is -- we're ranked top)

In a nutshell, while I don't always agree with our laws, I do believe that by doing such a thing, the guilty party is simply pushing their spouse towards other men/women and extramarital affairs, and in doing so unmaking their marriage, so it's not right.
 

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Hello sir,

At the core of your questions, while putting aside any insecurities, fallacies, or miscommunications, on both sides of the coin, I couldn't help but to remember and research what the Bible says about *** and marriage. Also, I read somewhere in the first page of replies how you recently got back to the church. So with this in mind I want to reply to you as a follower of Christ.

In the New Testament the apostle Paul--a messenger and witness of the Christ sent out by Jesus Himself, a.k.a the Son of God, for those who don't know what is an "apostle" is--wrote to the early churches mentioning aspects of *** and marriage. Two that comes to mind are the churches of Corinthia and Ephesia. In 1 Corinthians chapter 7, Paul gives the church some guidelines and reminders regarding how *** and marriage should be within the Church, namely, because that kind of stuff wasn't happening prior his letters (you may even find verse 5 appealing but it's not meant to be used cunningly). Drama, tensions, and confusions where common, as you can image with their forms of communications back in the days.

And for the other, Paul also wrote to the city the Ephesians, more specially in Ephesians 5:22-33 in what manner one ought to love your wife\husband. Now these are the two examples that kind of jumped out of my head (and some epic Google searches for verification). There are more, I'm pretty sure. But hopefully it can be a start in getting some insight to your questions.

In more practical terms I'll bear repeating what others have already said about how important good and honest communications is, not just in marriage but all forms for relationships. From friends to family, and beyond. And when you need to express a concern do so with with humility, truth, and love. All in equal measure. The world, and more so the internet, dismisses humility and love because they are seen as weak or perhaps inconsequential to effective communication. But you sir reminded me that humility paves the way for greater wisdom. How? You may ask? Because you put this question in a forum where it probably isn't the most appropriate due to the maturity of some\many of the audience member in it. Still, you clearly felt that you needed to ask. And so, you received. Far be it from me to slight you. On the contrary, I'm complimenting you.

Sir, forgive me. I have already written too much but please bear with me just a little more. If I may suggest. It is good to find mentors in ones life. Around 3-5 is ideal. If you ever read secular books or just know highly effective and successful people you will find that they all have mentors in their lives. Handful of people who have values, or something, that can positively affect your growth development in life. If trust is an issue then become that trustful person so that trustful people enter your life. If you feel that you already that person then be even more humble than before. If still no progress it may be difficult but reassess the people whom you call friends in your life. But above all else, know, or relearn, who Jesus is, and His message. A Christian is a follower of Christ. Following involves not just believing, but doing too. It's a relationship. And you can't Do unless you Know. And you can't Know unless you spent time discovering and learning who. So that once you learn you truly believe, and then by that faith, do. Thus, it is by our Faith that we are made Righteous in God's eyes. In James 2:17 he talks about Faith without works is dead. And Hebrews 11, it talks about Faith by their works and how the mentioned ones were made righteousness; how they pleased God.

So, in the end. Will you take the time to know who the son of God is? Anyways, what you're doing is good, for no one who keeps asking remains a fool (not that I ever believed you were one to begin with, I'm just making a general statement). Thanks for reading. Peace!
You're that guy who made the thread saying that you were done with NB in response to the Orlando shootings and what people were saying, right?
 

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You're that guy who made the thread saying that you were done with NB in response to the Orlando shootings and what people were saying, right?

If you mean the thread entitled "How DARE you" then it's not him. It was a guy called Genjitsu
 

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You sir, are an amazing human being! Your actions speaks of the nobility and selflessness of your heart; that's love, kind sir. Way to honor your family!! I know I'm just a stranger but what you are doing is absolutely worth it. Keep it up!

On a side note.

If only more people realize that our tongues have the power to speak death or life (literal & metaphorically speaking), then why not choose life? Trolling over trolling doesn't lead to understanding, nor does it lead to maturity or growth. Your humility, sir, is an example of life, love, patience, kindness, selflessness, gentleness, and compassion itself. All things use to change hearts for the better, one battle at a time. I probably don't to say this to you, but for the benefit of this forum I will: be sure to teach your son these values and watch how you will build a legacy that your kiddo (and their kids) will be proud to walk in and life out, even long after you pass away. It will transform lives. That I can promise you.

Thank you so very kindly sir.....I don't know how else to respond. I appreciate your appreciation of my path. I will most certainly be teaching my kiddo (daughter by the by) all that I've learned throughout this life. Thank you again for your kind words and know that I don't often hear such words even from my grandmothers immediate relatives.
 

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Well bud it isnt only a womans right its a mans right as well to withhold ***. It needs to be both willing to do it or not at all.
 

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The Bible has great advice on this topic. Your body is no longer your own in a marriage, it belongs to your partner (too). This makes sense as if you are to keep your marriage monogamous, you need to sate your partner's desires so they don't have a roaming eye. It's part of your marital obligation to keep them from the sin of adultery (and even just lusting). Make it easier for them to resist such thoughts and temptations by 'taking care' of them at home.

The advice is sound. If you want to withhold *** as a punishment you are playing with fire. Your actions may start your partner down the path of fantasizing, lusting, pursuing, and laying with others if their urges overwhelm their will to honor you. If you play unfair games with them and withhold *** then you burn both ends of this candle... you are both leaving their libido increase every day and lowering the esteem they hold you in by playing such games... this will hasten their collapse to seek a physical relationship somewhere else.

Now I believe that happy marriage REQUIRES a couple with a similar 'sexual thermostat' if you know what I mean. They both need to require or least be comfortable with the same frequency of encounters. This way everyone is sated, and no one feels used in a bad way.
 

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Why this no in the Prediction Section? Smells a lot like conspiranoia....

You might like this webcomic called ''Come Spring'', might relieve you of some things....
 

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I want to preface this by saying that I haven't read the thread in its entirety, only your initial post, which I will address.

It is never a question of right or wrong, intimate relations aren't things that should be seen as something you are entitled to just because you have "treated" your partner in a certain way. Listen, unless I've completely missed the point of your topic, what you're asking is if your partner should have some sense of duty towards you, as a woman, to offer *** in exchange for your kind gestures, that is not a correct way of thinking. Talking from personal experience, I have been in a very committed relationship for quite a few years now and without going into too much detail: there were times where *** happened often and times where it didn't happen at all. It alternated, and it still does. It's normal, maybe she doesn't feel like it, maybe you don't feel like it, maybe she isn't into you or maybe you're not into her. It's always right to "withhold" ***, it's their own body and nobody is forced to open their front door just because you knocked on it.

Cheers.

EDIT: Yo, I just noticed people actually condoning the fact that it's wrong to withhold *** if you're married. I rarely speak up on religion lately, but if you guys legit accuse your (*future) wives of not letting you shove your junk because of the Bible then there might be some other underlying issues. Understand that if your partner doesn't want to have intimate relations with you it is usually your own fault, or they're not attracted to you anymore. Holy moly, please stop backing up your sexual urges with that book, it's the 21st Century, no one is forced to do anything.

(I have to add this little disclaimer because I know I might get hate for bashing on religion. I don't personally care about your relationship's dynamic, if you both agree to go by the Bible, or whatever holy book you abide by, I don't care or mind it. Just an opinion. Strong opinion, I suppose.)
 
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Yes its her body and if its become that much of a problem for the man. Leave
 

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The problem with this topic is you put "women" and "right(S)" in the same sentence

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dude it's simple... Talk about it and if she is just being a *****, end it or **** another girl. Women are fun but complicated and you should take responsability for your own well-being. So yeah again; end it or just cheat, but don't let something that should be one of the most fun things in life be a headache. (while doing this, try to not let *** or the absence of it take over your mind too much)
 

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Just listen out and give me your opinion on this. Now it's true that "SOME" women love to use *** as a weapon in a relationship, and they can use it to test you. They want to see how much power they have over you. And there are other women who just don't think about *** in a relationship, and it can get stale after awhile. Let's take this scenario:

If a man and a women get married and have been married for quite some time (For instance three years), and the man has been doing everything to treat his girl right (Pay the bills, cook, clean, has been a great listener, making sure the kids are taken care of, and is very caring) and has been to make a move for months or weeks, but the wife keeps withholding ***, is it right?

Or is a man and his wife hasn't had *** in months or years, and he's been doing everything to preserve their marriage, but the wife doesn't want to give up the goods, is it right?

If a man takes his women out to a nice dinner (After dating for a few months or weeks), pamper her, gets her three hour at a day spa hours prior, takes her out dancing and having fun, they go back to her house, and he makes a move, but she shrugs him off, is it right?​


I want to hear your opinions on this, because I would hate to be in that situation. I mean in my opinion, it's not all about ***. But if I treat a girl right, but we haven't had *** in MONTHS (6-8), and she keeps dodging me, I think it's time to break up.


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Or you can be a male that knows what he wants and get what he wants and stop thinking about what she tries to get through *** because we are the slaves of our thoughts ?

A true male knows how to make his woman respect him even if she is using *** as a "get what you want" machine.

If you are a female male and your image is not on par with your masculinity then you are bound to be dominated by mere stuff.
 

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NO.

Why? Because that's part of a relationship. You give up your freedom to fufil those needs with anyone you choose when you enter a relationsip. if the other doesnt do their duty, they throw away their rights to the relationship. Im not talking about being tired one night or busy for a few weeks. Im talking about holding out for a reason.

Before you white knight feminist ****s chime in.

A Man was Divorced and lost HALF of everything he had because he wasn't "fufilling his duties" by not having *** with his wife.
So you cant have it both ways. You cant call men greedy for wanting *** and then turn around and say it's a mans duty but not a womans as well.
 

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In my honest opinion, there's no point of even living together if your not going to have ***. :scorps:
 

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This is what Islam has to say about this topic.

‘If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses [and does not come], and he spends the night angry with her, the angels will curse her until morning.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4794;

The only scenario where she has a right to refuse is if she's sick or he's drunk.
 
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