Is it possible that P1 Sasuke , Tenten and Neji can access the 1st Gate?

[neosmith500]

Based on these scans..

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[InfiniteMugen]

Doesn't gai say that lees the only one to master it? The way it reads it seems like because of lees grueling daily training his body and muscles are durable/strong enough to withstand the gates

 

[neosmith500]

Doesn't gai say that lees the only one to master it? The way it reads it seems like because of lees grueling daily training his body and muscles are durable/strong enough to withstand the gates

Yea but his statement is geared towards the notion of full mastery of the technique which doesn't mean they didn't at least mastery a part of the tech like opening the first gate imo.. Just thought it was interesting.

 

[Illuminater]

Yes I think any ninja can. But it all comes down to skill

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Yea but his statement is geared towards the notion of full mastery of the technique which doesn't mean they didn't at least mastery a part of the tech like opening the first gate imo.. Just thought it was interesting.

Kakashi did it in a filler I think? The first gate at least. I could see neji being able to do it, sasuke too, hell ten ten is always around him, maybe they didn't have the durability to make it worth it? I.e. They could only sustain it for so long before it hurts them too bad? That would be the only reason I could see them not using them(other than plot and keeping it within the taijutsu only users)

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Lol i don't even know if Tenten can walk on water or sideways let alone open a gate

 

[Arian]

well sasuke definitly used 1 gate here hence the backlash of the technique. as for the others its pure speculation....

 

[Styles]

Sasuke technically did a version of lotus in the scan you posted if he wanted he could have did the hidden lotus that Lee did. They both have the same drawbacks anyway.

 

[LoZelda101]

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lol scans pretty much explains it. sasuke can, gai even compares him to young kakashi.
literal proof that sasuke is more than just a sharingan user. :lol

 

[neosmith500]

Kakashi did it in a filler I think? The first gate at least. I could see neji being able to do it, sasuke too, hell ten ten is always around him, maybe they didn't have the durability to make it worth it? I.e. They could only sustain it for so long before it hurts them too bad? That would be the only reason I could see them not using them(other than plot and keeping it within the taijutsu only users)

That bit with Kakashi was canon. The bold is my thoughts exactly because the trick to learning gates is really a interesting topic , but logic could deduce that Gai would have to first teach them how to open the 1st Gate before teaching them the taijutsu to apply it to , so imo it does make it seem that they can surely open the 1st Gate but cant do as much movement as lee can for them to complete the Lotus itself.

well sasuke definitly used 1 gate here hence the backlash of the technique. as for the others its pure speculation....

True , but tenetn/Neji do seem to be experiencing some form of backclash which hints that they simply could not master the tech , but knowing how to open the 1st Gate is a different thing since the blackclash of the Lotus is codependent on how much physical movement the user does while its active , hence Lee getting more backclash from constantly kicking gaara up into the air as apposed to him doing a simple kick followed by the Lotus spin movement.

lol scans pretty much explains it. sasuke can, gai even compares him to young kakashi. literal proof that sasuke is more than just a sharingan. :lol

The scan only says that Lee mastered the whole Lotus , but that doesn't mean that Tenten/Neji cant open the 1st Gate imo.

 

[LoZelda101]

That bit with Kakashi was canon. The bold is my thoughts exactly because the trick to learning gates is really a interesting topic , but logic could deduce that Gai would have to first teach them how to open the 1st Gate before teaching them the taijutsu to apply it to , so imo it does make it seem that they can surely open the 1st Gate but cant do as much movement as lee can for them to complete the Lotus itself.



True , but tenetn/Neji do seem to be experiencing some form of backclash which hints that they simply could not master the tech , but knowing how to open the 1st Gate is a different thing since the blackclash of the Lotus is codependent on how much physical movement the user does while its active , hence Lee getting more backclash from constantly kicking gaara up into the air as apposed to him doing a simple kick followed by the Lotus spin movement.



The scan only says that Lee mastered the whole Lotus , but that doesn't mean that Tenten/Neji cant open the 1st Gate imo.

huh?
i'm only discussing sasuke. my only duty :lol which btw is more impressive considering neji and lee had a year head start.

 

[DHOH]

Sasuke definitely did, the others could just be tire from training

 

[neosmith500]

huh?
i'm only discussing sasuke. my only duty :lol which btw is more impressive considering neji and lee had a year head start.

LOL I missed that part about Sasuke at the end. Yes it proves that Sasuke also has a strong body and strong Chakra which played into him being able to handle CM ..

Sasuke definitely did, the others could just be tire from training

It did seem like they all attempted the tech with Lee being having the only success. Do u think its likely that they were tired from activating the 1st Gate and not being able to do the Taijutsu movements needed unlike Lee?

 

[DHOH]

LOL I missed that part about Sasuke at the end. Yes it proves that Sasuke also has a strong body and strong Chakra which played into him being able to handle CM ..

He also open the same gate in the Boruto movie..

 

[Aznkidd]

There is a reason why some one like Gai and Lee can open their gates while other ninja can not or only able to open the easy gate.

First lets talk about their training. Gai and Lee both trained very hard to build up their muscles but if you compare their muscles with Raikage brothers, seem like they are pale in comparison.
But if you pay close attention to the both sides, Gai and Lee are literally training 24/7 as they are breathing while Raikage brothers did also train but they are not even close to what Gai and Lee did.

So where did the muscles go ?
There are part when Lee shakes off his weight and he becomes faster.

So my theory is that Gates also requires muscle as it burn up the muscles.

Kakashi always low on stamina thanks to his sharingan, so he can only open up to 2 gates just because of his skill.
But does Sasuke, Ten ten has any muscles at all ? :lol

 

[InfiniteMugen]

That bit with Kakashi was canon. The bold is my thoughts exactly because the trick to learning gates is really a interesting topic , but logic could deduce that Gai would have to first teach them how to open the 1st Gate before teaching them the taijutsu to apply it to , so imo it does make it seem that they can surely open the 1st Gate but cant do as much movement as lee can for them to complete the Lotus itself.



True , but tenetn/Neji do seem to be experiencing some form of backclash which hints that they simply could not master the tech , but knowing how to open the 1st Gate is a different thing since the blackclash of the Lotus is codependent on how much physical movement the user does while its active , hence Lee getting more backclash from constantly kicking gaara up into the air as apposed to him doing a simple kick followed by the Lotus spin movement.



The scan only says that Lee mastered the whole Lotus , but that doesn't mean that Tenten/Neji cant open the 1st Gate imo.

That's pretty much what I'm thinking too. I see everyone saying sasuke did open the 1st one but is that true? Aren't you supposed to have the green aura when you open them? I know he copied the beginning of the lotus but does that automatically mean he opened a gate?

 

[DHOH]

There is a reason why some one like Gai and Lee can open their gates while other ninja can not or only able to open the easy gate.

First lets talk about their training. Gai and Lee both trained very hard to build up their muscles but if you compare their muscles with Raikage brothers, seem like they are pale in comparison.
But if you pay close attention to the both sides, Gai and Lee are literally training 24/7 as they are breathing while Raikage brothers did also train but they are not even close to what Gai and Lee did.

So where did the muscles go ?
There are part when Lee shakes off his weight and he becomes faster.

So my theory is that Gates also requires muscle as it burn up the muscles.

Kakashi always low on stamina thanks to his sharingan, so he can only open up to 2 gates just because of his skill.
But does Sasuke, Ten ten has any muscles at all ? :lol

Lol Sasuke has just as many muscles as lee... Terrible example

 

[neosmith500]

That's pretty much what I'm thinking too. I see everyone saying sasuke did open the 1st one but is that true? Aren't you supposed to have the green aura when you open them? I know he copied the beginning of the lotus but does that automatically mean he opened a gate?

Yea , its pretty much confirmed that Sasuke opened the 1st Gate before his first kick and kept it open all the way till the end of his combo attack , the more hits and movements done while the 1st gate is active = the more blackclash received by the User which is why i think Neji/Tenten can at least open the Gate but cant do as much movemnt needed in order to pull the full Lotus Taijutsu.

In regards to the green aura , no thats something new added in p2..

He also open the same gate in the Boruto movie..

Ehh , u mean when he lotused kicked Momo? lol..

At the same time this could also be used to show that Tenten/Neji can at least open the 1st Gate and pull at least a few hits in Neji's case and less for tenten.

There is a reason why some one like Gai and Lee can open their gates while other ninja can not or only able to open the easy gate.

First lets talk about their training. Gai and Lee both trained very hard to build up their muscles but if you compare their muscles with Raikage brothers, seem like they are pale in comparison.
But if you pay close attention to the both sides, Gai and Lee are literally training 24/7 as they are breathing while Raikage brothers did also train but they are not even close to what Gai and Lee did.

So where did the muscles go ?
There are part when Lee shakes off his weight and he becomes faster.

So my theory is that Gates also requires muscle as it burn up the muscles.

Kakashi always low on stamina thanks to his sharingan, so he can only open up to 2 gates just because of his skill.
But does Sasuke, Ten ten has any muscles at all ? :lol

Yea but Sasuke's case kinda contradicts this since he did it without any muscles.

 

[Styles]

That's pretty much what I'm thinking too. I see everyone saying sasuke did open the 1st one but is that true? Aren't you supposed to have the green aura when you open them? I know he copied the beginning of the lotus but does that automatically mean he opened a gate?

No that's only when you open 3-7 if i'm not mistaken. Lee when using lotus never turned green until he opened the 5th gate. If not 4th. Opening the 1st gate just put strain on your muscles no aura.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

No that's only when you open 3-7 if i'm not mistaken. Lee when using lotus never turned green until he opened the 5th gate. If not 4th. Opening the 1st gate just put strain on your muscles no aura.

Ah word, thanks for clearing that up