Is Hashirama immune to genjutsu?

[Chatte]

you haven't seen senjus fighting uchihas..

History told us that they fought against one another many times...

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I don't think sharingan's are set to 24/7 genjutsu. I am pretty sure they need to activate the genjutsu while their sharingan is active and they normally do that when they are looking at someone directly. Even if they just quickly get in front of someone and activate it quickly.

If staring at the users they will activate it on the sly, as seen with zabuza vs kakashi. But if someone gives a quick look while the user does not expect it, I always thought the user did not have time to put them in it.

 

[Bogard]

This is a question I always asked myself... Are Senjus immune to genjutsu? We haven't heard once about a Senju being caught in genjutsu by an Uchiha...

Senju and Uzumaki are related. Nagato is said to be Uzumaki and Senju at the same time for example, and we've already seen that Sharingan can work against Uzumakis(Naruto or Kushina). So i highly doubt there is that much of a difference in the immunity

I don't know Hashi's full jutsu arsenal, but he should be at least aware of some of the presigns, so the change in atmosphere, maybe he counters with something, I can't say anything for certain


maybe you're right, maybe he makes eye contact, but that doesn't mean he' s "immune "
Nothing thus far has shown any reason for immunity... it could mean he has a solid counter or is confident in his ability to break genjutsu quickly <--- unlikely, because being put in a genjutsu even for a split second can be game changing

Well the pic i posted shows that he fights Sharingan users eyes open, so either there is plot, or Sharingan techniques are more preventable/avoidable than people think

 

[Chatte]

Senju and Uzumaki are related. Nagato is said to be Uzumaki and Senju at the same time for example, and we've already seen that Sharingan can work against Uzumakis(Naruto or Kushina). So i highly doubt there is that much of a difference in the immunity

Well, they are related but not pure Senju 100%.
And it went only on Naruto, not Kushina. She was never put under genjutsu as far as I remember, it was just the fox extraction.

 

[Bogard]

Well, they are related but not pure Senju 100%.
And it went only on Naruto, not Kushina. She was never put under genjutsu as far as I remember, it was just the fox extraction.

Never said she was put in a genjutsu. It's the reason why i said "Sharingan works on them" instead of "genjutsu works on them". The fact he was able to enter Kushina's mind and control Kyubi and extract him makes me remember when Sasuke was able to enter Naruto's mind at the begin of part2. If Obito was able to do that, he could have put her easily in a genjutsu if he wanted, but the goal was something else(Kyubi's extraction)

 

[YellowCat147]

The Senju were masters in all forms of combat, so they probably knew how to counter-act a genjutsu. And with the Uchiha knowing that, they simply didn't waste their time on useless techs.

 

[Chatte]

Never said she was put in a genjutsu. It's the reason why i said "Sharingan works on them" instead of "genjutsu works on them". The fact he was able to enter Kushina's mind and control Kyubi and extract him makes me remember when Sasuke was able to enter Naruto's mind at the begin of part2. If Obito was able to do that, he could have put her easily in a genjutsu if he wanted, but the goal was something else(Kyubi's extraction)

As far as I remember he controlled the Kyubi after taking it out from Kushina. No genjutsu, no mind entering.

 

[Bogard]

As far as I remember he controlled the Kyubi after taking it out from Kushina. No genjutsu, no mind entering.

Re-read the manga then:
- Eye contact between Obito and Kushina resulting in mind entering:

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- Kyubi's control while in Kushina's mind(he is in her mind and saw the Kyubi. It's the reason why Kyubi says "you", Also on the same pic notice Kyubi's eye changing into Sharingan showing the moment where he took control over him):

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- Extraction:

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So no, he did enter Kushina's mind, took control over the Kyubi and extracted it from her body

 

[Chatte]

Re-read the manga then:
- Eye contact between Obito and Kushina resulting in mind entering:

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- Kyubi's control while in Kushina's mind(he is in her mind and saw the Kyubi. It's the reason why Kyubi says "you", Also on the same pic notice Kyubi's eye changing into Sharingan showing the moment where he took control over him):

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- Extraction:

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So no, he did enter Kushina's mind, took control over the Kyubi and extracted it from her body

Oh well, my bad then.
I had the impression that the thing with the Kyuubi was after extraction.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Hashirama specifically (not all Senju) may have been immune to genjutsu.

No doubt, Madara would make genjutsu a part of his battles with Hashi. Hashi purposely fought Madara ALONE which means he knew the risks of Madara Genjutsu when making this decision. That Manga page you posted makes me think that somehow (possibly his medical jutsu?) he was immune to Madara genjutsu. I would not assume this for ALL SENJU though. Good catch

 

[Owarij]

lets not forget this flashback was from tobi....who is obito... that little scene might not have happened at all

 

[Bogard]

lets not forget this flashback was from tobi....who is obito... that little scene might not have happened at all

We have seen that to teach things to Obito, Madara used a genjutsu. All what Obito knows concerning Uchiha or Rikudo history, i suppose Madara learned him that via a genjutsu. It's usually what Uchiha do(even Itachi did it to Sasuke when he wanted to explain things to him). It's faster and easier. So what Obito knows was normally coming from what Madara showed him in one of those genjutsu

 

[Owarij]

We have seen that to teach things to Obito, Madara used a genjutsu. All what Obito knows concerning Uchiha or Rikudo history, i suppose Madara learned him that via a genjutsu. It's usually what Uchiha do(even Itachi did it to Sasuke when he wanted to explain things to him). It's faster and easier. So what Obito knows was normally coming from what Madara showed him in one of those genjutsu

Well it's speculation that madara showed him his fights with hashirama.. I don't see the point..

and Itachi has NEVER seen madara/izuna...... which is why i say, those little things he showed sasuke may not have happened at all... He portrayed a story inwhich madara forcefully grabbed his brother's eyes... Obito portrayed a story where izuna gave the eyes....
what is shown in the genjutsu may not have happened..

 

[Bogard]

Well it's speculation that madara showed him his fights with hashirama.. I don't see the point..

and Itachi has NEVER seen madara/izuna...... which is why i say, those little things he showed sasuke may not have happened at all... He portrayed a story inwhich madara forcefully grabbed his brother's eyes... Obito portrayed a story where izuna gave the eyes....
what is shown in the genjutsu may not have happened..

Well, Itachi said that Obito was his professor, so maybe he learned that history from Obito as well

 

[Owarij]

Well, Itachi said that Obito was his professor, so maybe he learned that history from Obito as well

The point of Itachi's ENTIRE story, was to make him and "madara" seem like the villains... he made sure and tell sasuke that he attacked the village, and that "madara" taught him etc... we don't know if any of that was true...

The point of Obito's Entire story, was to gain sasuke's trust and make him see konoha as the enemy....he left out and tweaked certain things in his story to cause this..

they both lied and till now we don't exactly know what the full truth is yet

 

[OnPoint]

Obviously not 'immune' in the sense, but he most likely had ways of avoiding or ultimately overcoming Sharingan illusions.

 

[Bogard]

The point of Itachi's ENTIRE story, was to make him and "madara" seem like the villains... he made sure and tell sasuke that he attacked the village, and that "madara" taught him etc... we don't know if any of that was true...

The point of Obito's Entire story, was to gain sasuke's trust and make him see konoha as the enemy....he left out and tweaked certain things in his story to cause this..

they both lied and till now we don't exactly know what the full truth is yet

Maybe but Kishi specially draw that pic and that wasn't for the show. It was to show us how the battles happened at that moment and how intense they were. It's as if i was saying that the battle between Minato and Obito never happened like that because it was Kushina's story and she wasn't there. I can easily say that

Obviously not 'immune' in the sense, but he most likely had ways of avoiding or ultimately overcoming Sharingan illusions.

Maybe he used Gai's method?

 

[TrollingSage]

Never said she was put in a genjutsu. It's the reason why i said "Sharingan works on them" instead of "genjutsu works on them". The fact he was able to enter Kushina's mind and control Kyubi and extract him makes me remember when Sasuke was able to enter Naruto's mind at the begin of part2. If Obito was able to do that, he could have put her easily in a genjutsu if he wanted, but the goal was something else(Kyubi's extraction)

He was only able to do that because the seal was weakened though.

 

[TheTailedSage]

He was only able to do that because the seal was weakened though.

LOOL nice kazehana sig XD

 

[RikudoKami]

Madara was handicapped from his full arsenal to make the will of fire crap prevail.