Is Hashirama faster than FTG?

[Venomous Cobra]

No. No one is faster than FTG, people can just keep up with the striking speed of its user.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think Tobirama refer his Hiraishingiri as Shunshin(Body Flicker) slash and not FTG slash. How FTG can dash forward?

 

[-immortal-]

But that's only in SM. In Base Hashirama nor Madara would be able to counter correct?

@ Riker, but if the slash was simply in a stationary (already in positioned) stabbing position, while FTG was used, what would their be to initially react to? FTG would completely go through their body, without them having time to react because it was an instant, fluid motion.

Madara without SM could possible counter with sharingan, because he could read there movements the moment they appear. Which he can thus counter.

FTG is instanious, going from Point A to point B is instant

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However sir DrProof.

If you reaction his slower then the target [C] this happens

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[DrProof]

I think Tobirama refer his Hiraishingiri to Shunshin(Body Flicker) slash and not FTG slash. How FTG can dash forward?

He calls it FTG Slash in manga.

Madara without SM could possible counter with sharingan, because he could read there movements the moment they appear. Which he can thus counter.

FTG is instanious, going from Point A to point B is instant

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However sir DrProof.

If you reaction his slower then the target [C] this happens

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Yup. But couldn't Point A - Point B be like this; Point A (starting spot) - Point B (Madara/Hashirama's body) literally making it so they wouldn't have to react etc. Literally their techniques would hit upon FTG cancellation.

Because seen in that scan, Minato never actually did what I proposed. He only had shown up close enough to Madara to use Rasengan, he didn't FTG Rasengan to instantly hit Madara.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But that's only in SM. In Base Hashirama nor Madara would be able to counter correct?

@ Riker, but if the slash was simply in a stationary (already in positioned) stabbing position, while FTG was used, what would there be to initially react to? FTG would completely go through their body, without them having time to react because it was an instant, fluid motion.

You can see that Tobirama teleports THEN lunges at his opponent. If you can react to him appearing behind you and you have the speed to counter his movement speed, you'll be okay.

 

[00Rinne]

No he's not faster than FTG but it's possible for him to dodge the attact after FTG because of the reaction time of the attacter. Remember SM can sense negative intent. So to me he can stop the attact after a FTG users instant speed but he's not faster than FTG itself.

 

[-immortal-]

He calls it FTG Slash in manga.


Yup. But couldn't Point A - Point B be like this; Point A (starting spot) - Point B (Madara/Hashirama's body) literally making it so they wouldn't have to react etc. Literally their techniques would hit upon FTG cancellation.

Because seen in that scan, Minato never actually did what I proposed. He only had shown up close enough to Madara to use Rasengan, he didn't FTG Rasengan to instantly hit Madara.

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Do you mean this?

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[DrProof]

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Do you mean this?

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the struggle I know that feeling though fam.

And I believe so, did Minato teleport from A to B (B being the initial slash was already inducted in the enemies body)

 

[Chīkara]

He calls it FTG Slash in manga.


Yup. But couldn't Point A - Point B be like this; Point A (starting spot) - Point B (Madara/Hashirama's body) literally making it so they wouldn't have to react etc. Literally their techniques would hit upon FTG cancellation.

Because seen in that scan, Minato never actually did what I proposed. He only had shown up close enough to Madara to use Rasengan, he didn't FTG Rasengan to instantly hit Madara.

You mean this ?

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I don't know exactly what happened tho' but it seems like he Knew the attack was coming and instantly countered (Sensing ability ?)

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[-immortal-]

the struggle I know that feeling though fam.

And I believe so, did Minato teleport from A to B (B being the initial slash was already inducted in the enemies body)

Obito was marked so i believe so

 

[DrProof]

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I don't know exactly what happened tho' but it seems like he Knew the attack was coming and instantly countered (Sensing ability ?)

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Man it had to be sensing or something. Tbh that's BS. It's probably because the overall technique was to ominous, and the general impact was delayed idek. Fr though, that's to OP. I can't really even explain that except it being sensing.

But then again, I actually don't think it was my point A - point B scenario. Point A would be Tobirama starting position - Point B would be FTG Slash teleported through Madara/Hashirama's skull. It's possible.

 

[3MESSIAH]

if you mean if his speed reaction is superior then yes

hashirama can easily react to FTG with his sage mode and evade the attack

however his movement speed and speed in general is no where near instant teleportation

 

[moist]

You can dodge it if you have the reflexes like Madara did with Tobirama..but Tobirama blimped up and dashed forward giving him time to react

If you're marked there is no way of dodging it.

If you're not marked you need some sensing or very fast reflexes to avoid taking a hit.

Hashirama can tank hits anyways with his healing if he were marked.

or fool with a mokuton clone

or just dodge.

FTG is the fastest A-B in Naruto verse.

 

[NarutoX28]

So can Hashirama not dodge FTG?

He can dodge Minato/ Tobirama's attack following FTG, but he can't outpace FTG in movement speed because FTG is instantaneous.

 

[solorflare99]

The thing about FTG is that the user has to react to FTG just like the opponent does. The only thing the user has over the opponent is the fact that the user knows when, where they will use FTG, and what position as well as distance from the mark. Besides that they are just as vulnerable as the opponent when teleporting. This is why SM is perfect to counter for FTG. It heightens your senses, and goes beyond just sight. Sharingan gives a person Precog but relies on sight. You can't predict what happens if your opponent is out of your sight as evident by Obito Vs Minato. Chakra sensing Or Byakugan doesn't rely on sight but doesn't heighten senses. Minato and Tobirama Have what seem to peak human reaction(relative to Narutoverse) So if their opponent doesn't have a power boost or jutsu that enhances their reaction time their pretty much nothing you can do about FTG Unless you get lucky and predict what, where and how of the FTG. That is Why A(4th) even with on Par reaction speed can't beat Minato.

 

[KesOnFire]

I figured. FTG is literally instant on appliance, how do you dodge instant? I mean Madara countered Minato's though.. So I'm just wondering.


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Why would you say this? How does SM dodge instantaneous?

Sorry but no and JJ Madara dodge it ofc he dodge it. Common sense bro why wouldn't he be able to dodge it?

Sm doesn't dodge instantaneous that guy is on crack bro

 

[Ken Kaneki]

No one is faster than FTG, that would require time travel. He probably is fast enough to counter the movement that follows however.

This ^^^^^^

Basically Hashirama is not marked. If you are not marked then they would have to mark the ground or object near you(FTG users that is). So when they attack , if you are fast enough, you counter. Now if Hashirama is marked , no way he can Dodge.

 

[Valhorus]

The only one who dodged FTG Combto was Rikudou Madara and he Dodged Minato's Attack Speed , what Madara dodged by Tobirama was not FTG since his Hiraishingiri is just one shushin slash confirmed by the databook .

 

[KesOnFire]

The only one who dodged FTG Combto was Rikudou Madara and he Dodged Minato's Attack Speed , what Madara dodged by Tobirama was not FTG since his Hiraishingiri is just one shushin slash confirmed by the databook .

One Slash
You got that right!
Tobirama FTW!

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[solorflare99]

Flying Thunder God Slash is basically the same jutsu as FTG level 2. If I had to guess, minato doesn't call it FTG slash because he may not slash, he might use Rasengan like when he fought Obito.