[Discussion] Is God a mystery or a man?

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Probably because of his power and influence over idiots. I'm sure they don't even know the NOI story of Yakub and just believe him to be some advocate for equality as do many.

No. You would be caking the president of Iran an idiot for inviting some guy who influences "idiots". The whole world respects him. Wherever he goes he's not treated like a normal man, he's treated like a head of state. Watch his world friendship tour on YouTube and you'll see what I'm talking about
 

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No. You would be caking the president of Iran an idiot for inviting some guy who influences "idiots". The whole world respects him. Wherever he goes he's not treated like a normal man, he's treated like a head of state. Watch his world friendship tour on YouTube and you'll see what I'm talking about
People treat him with respect because of his power and influence over people like you by using words like equality as bait. NOI contradicts both shia and sunni beliefs so...
 

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People treat him with respect because of his power and influence over people like you by using words like equality as bait. NOI contradicts both shia and sunni beliefs so...

No one invited him because of his power. No one treats him with respect because of his power. Well maybe you can say power because truth is power and that is why they respect and invite him. He speaks the truth. He doesn't bait anyone and no one is stupid enough to fall for some equality bait. A Muslim is one who submits his will entirely to do the will of Allah. The Minister is doing so.

Who are these astronauts? Names? Source? Also please provide the names of the scientists which you claimed previously to have backed brown germ theory and link to the source.

Also you are yet to reply these two questions asked previously:

Q1: You told us hounrable sir EM "met the God in person" and ? Are you telling me Fard Mohammad was God? God is a man? Can you explain the concept better?

Q2:What's the point of being snarky over wiki if you are going to confirm the existence of the "theory" mentioned in there anyway."

You wanted to know about Master Fard Muhammad. Here it is.
 
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That guy solod nobel 66 trillion years ago i was shocked that he decided not to use his nukes:bdpf:

How did the egyptains build the pyramids when the technology didn't exist at the time? He didn't solo anything. He went as far as this times knowledge could take him
 

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That guy solod nobel 66 trillion years ago i was shocked that he decided not to use his nukes:bdpf:

i wonder if dynamite can detach a part of earth and create moon what his nukes will do :lmao:
 

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i wonder if dynamite can detach a part of earth and create moon what his nukes will do :lmao:

If you drill a shaft In the earth deep enough and fill it up with enough powerful dynamite, that will happen
 

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Men worshiped rocks, men worshiped trees and sun , moon and stars things beyond their understanding, they called them gods and rulers of lands exploited religions so men wouldn't question their ruler and preists said all came from gods
there's nothing beyond god's teachings yet they changed them way they felt right for others so they won't question gods so the reality is men just use god to gain advantages for them and which religion taught to create wars men created wars using relligions so if the god is same as men then he will do the same things men did and do .
 

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That is not enough evidence being similar =/= the same

Science is all about observations, hypothesis making predictions which are theories and then proving theories is the final step. If they can't prove it then it isn't fact simple as that.

A religious person can come around and say that DNA of animals are similar because that is the only way to be part of the biom that god created animals to be part of that biom so they have to be similar. You would ask that person what proof do they have? The same applies here. If one can't prove it then it isn't fact U_U

Never said we are the same, just that we are similar. No one thing is the same. And yeah, we are all similar. There's star dust in us all, that's why we have a strip of DNA that's the same as trees, grass, and other animals. But what makes us more closer to apes is that we are 98% similar to them in DNA. Your DNA is more similar to your sibling than it is to some other person, thus proving that they're from the same parent as you. Same applies to this, just on a larger scale. And scientists have proven it. Go to a museum lol, there's evidence everywhere. Look up Richard Dawkins and he'll go into much greater detail.
 

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Firstly, here's the link to what the astronauts said


They didn't confirm it to be gun powder even remotely. Moon dust is of different composition and doesn't ignite.

To be clear, moondust and gunpowder are not the same thing. Modern smokeless gunpowder is a mixture of nitrocellulose (C6H8(NO2)2O5) and nitroglycerin (C3H5N3O9). These are flammable organic molecules "not found in lunar soil," says Gary Lofgren of the Lunar Sample Laboratory at NASA's Johnson Space Center. Hold a match to moondust--nothing happens, at least, nothing explosive.

What is moondust made of? Almost half is silicon dioxide glass created by meteoroids hitting the moon. These impacts, which have been going on for billions of years, fuse topsoil into glass and shatter the same into tiny pieces. Moondust is also rich in iron, calcium and magnesium bound up in minerals such as olivine and pyroxene. It's nothing like gunpowder.


So why the smell? No one knows.

ISS astronaut Don Pettit, who has never been to the moon but has an interest in space smells, offers one possibility:

"Picture yourself in a desert on Earth," he says. "What do you smell? Nothing, until it rains. The air is suddenly filled with sweet, peaty odors." Water evaporating from the ground carries molecules to your nose that have been trapped in dry soil for months.

Maybe something similar happens on the moon.

"The moon is like a 4-billion-year-old desert," he says. "It's incredibly dry. When moondust comes in contact with moist air in a lunar module, you get the 'desert rain' effect--and some lovely odors." (For the record, he counts gunpowder as a lovely odor.)
moonscape

Above: The moon--a 4 billion year old desert. [More]

Gary Lofgren has a related idea: "The gases 'evaporating' from the moondust might come from the solar wind." Unlike Earth, he explains, the moon is exposed to the hot wind of hydrogen, helium and other ions blowing away from the sun. These ions hit the moon's surface and get caught in the dust.

It's a fragile situation. "The ions are easily dislodged by footsteps or dustbrushes, and they would be evaporated by contact with warm air inside the lunar module. Solar wind ions mingling with the cabin's atmosphere would produce who-knows-what odors."

Want to smell the solar wind? Go to the moon.

Schmitt offers yet another idea: The smell, and his reaction to it, could be a sign that moondust is chemically active.

"Consider how moondust is formed," he says. "Meteoroids hit the moon, reducing rocks to jagged dust. It's a process of hammering and smashing." Broken molecules in the dust have "dangling bonds"--unsatisfied electrical connections that need atomic partners.
creation of Moondust by pounding

Right: Moondust is formed by pounding; the hammers are meteoroids. Image credit: Prof. Larry Taylor, University of Tennessee. [More]

Inhale some moondust and what happens? The dangling bonds seek partners in the membranes of your nose. You get congested. You report strange odors. Later, when the all the bonds are partnered-up, these sensations fade.

Another possibility is that moondust "burns" in the lunar lander's oxygen atmosphere. "Oxygen is very reactive," notes Lofgren, "and would readily combine with the dangling chemical bonds of the moondust." The process, called oxidation, is akin to burning. Although it happens too slowly for smoke or flames, the oxidation of moondust might produce an aroma like burnt gunpowder. (Note: Burnt and unburnt gunpowder do not smell the same. Apollo astronauts were specific. Moondust smells like burnt gunpowder.)

Curiously, back on Earth, moondust has no smell. There are hundreds of pounds of moondust at the Lunar Sample Lab in Houston. There, Lofgren has held dusty moon rocks with his own hands. He's sniffed the rocks, sniffed the air, sniffed his hands. "It does not smell like gunpowder," he says.

Were the Apollo crews imagining things? No. Lofgren and others have a better explanation:

Moondust on Earth has been "pacified." All of the samples brought back by Apollo astronauts have been in contact with moist, oxygen-rich air. Any smelly chemical reactions (or evaporations) ended long ago.
Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean displays a Special Environmental Sample Container.

This wasn't supposed to happen. Astronauts took special "thermos" containers to the moon to hold the samples in vacuum. But the jagged edges of the dust unexpectedly cut the seals of the containers, allowing oxygen and water vapor to sneak in during the 3-day trip back to Earth. No one can say how much the dust was altered by that exposure.

Right: Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean displays a "thermos" for moondust--a.k.a. a Special Environmental Sample Container. [More]

Schmitt believes "we need to study the dust in situ--on the moon." Only there can we fully discover its properties: Why does it smell? How does it react with landers, rovers and habitats? What surprises await?

NASA plans to send people back to the moon in 2018, and they'll stay much longer than Apollo astronauts did. The next generation will have more time and better tools to tackle the mystery.

We've only just begun to smell the moondust.



Yes, we believe God manifested himself in Master Fard Muhammad. Master Fard Muhammad is the one who brought those lessons I was telling you about. Here's information about the life of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad:

God manifesting himself... I know that concept, But I don't believe in your claim.

You wanted to know about Master Fard Muhammad. Here it is.

Nah I already realized that NOI version is an off shoot/Afircan American verions of Ahmadiya.

Just so you know many can claim many scientific advances- Our ancestors always loved a flight of fancy- Indian mythological tales even include aeroplanes, missiles, nukes, rockets and space stations( Tripur - three space station which came in a single line only once in several thousand year). Doesn't mean that they really had one back then ... ( though I'm sure those who believe in alien building pyramids theory would just love such tales).
 
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They didn't confirm it to be gun powder even remotely. Moon dust is of different composition and doesn't ignite.

To be clear, moondust and gunpowder are not the same thing. Modern smokeless gunpowder is a mixture of nitrocellulose (C6H8(NO2)2O5) and nitroglycerin (C3H5N3O9). These are flammable organic molecules "not found in lunar soil," says Gary Lofgren of the Lunar Sample Laboratory at NASA's Johnson Space Center. Hold a match to moondust--nothing happens, at least, nothing explosive.

What is moondust made of? Almost half is silicon dioxide glass created by meteoroids hitting the moon. These impacts, which have been going on for billions of years, fuse topsoil into glass and shatter the same into tiny pieces. Moondust is also rich in iron, calcium and magnesium bound up in minerals such as olivine and pyroxene. It's nothing like gunpowder.


So why the smell? No one knows.

ISS astronaut Don Pettit, who has never been to the moon but has an interest in space smells, offers one possibility:

"Picture yourself in a desert on Earth," he says. "What do you smell? Nothing, until it rains. The air is suddenly filled with sweet, peaty odors." Water evaporating from the ground carries molecules to your nose that have been trapped in dry soil for months.

Maybe something similar happens on the moon.

"The moon is like a 4-billion-year-old desert," he says. "It's incredibly dry. When moondust comes in contact with moist air in a lunar module, you get the 'desert rain' effect--and some lovely odors." (For the record, he counts gunpowder as a lovely odor.)
moonscape

Above: The moon--a 4 billion year old desert. [More]

Gary Lofgren has a related idea: "The gases 'evaporating' from the moondust might come from the solar wind." Unlike Earth, he explains, the moon is exposed to the hot wind of hydrogen, helium and other ions blowing away from the sun. These ions hit the moon's surface and get caught in the dust.

It's a fragile situation. "The ions are easily dislodged by footsteps or dustbrushes, and they would be evaporated by contact with warm air inside the lunar module. Solar wind ions mingling with the cabin's atmosphere would produce who-knows-what odors."

Want to smell the solar wind? Go to the moon.

Schmitt offers yet another idea: The smell, and his reaction to it, could be a sign that moondust is chemically active.

"Consider how moondust is formed," he says. "Meteoroids hit the moon, reducing rocks to jagged dust. It's a process of hammering and smashing." Broken molecules in the dust have "dangling bonds"--unsatisfied electrical connections that need atomic partners.
creation of Moondust by pounding

Right: Moondust is formed by pounding; the hammers are meteoroids. Image credit: Prof. Larry Taylor, University of Tennessee. [More]

Inhale some moondust and what happens? The dangling bonds seek partners in the membranes of your nose. You get congested. You report strange odors. Later, when the all the bonds are partnered-up, these sensations fade.

Another possibility is that moondust "burns" in the lunar lander's oxygen atmosphere. "Oxygen is very reactive," notes Lofgren, "and would readily combine with the dangling chemical bonds of the moondust." The process, called oxidation, is akin to burning. Although it happens too slowly for smoke or flames, the oxidation of moondust might produce an aroma like burnt gunpowder. (Note: Burnt and unburnt gunpowder do not smell the same. Apollo astronauts were specific. Moondust smells like burnt gunpowder.)

Curiously, back on Earth, moondust has no smell. There are hundreds of pounds of moondust at the Lunar Sample Lab in Houston. There, Lofgren has held dusty moon rocks with his own hands. He's sniffed the rocks, sniffed the air, sniffed his hands. "It does not smell like gunpowder," he says.

Were the Apollo crews imagining things? No. Lofgren and others have a better explanation:

Moondust on Earth has been "pacified." All of the samples brought back by Apollo astronauts have been in contact with moist, oxygen-rich air. Any smelly chemical reactions (or evaporations) ended long ago.
Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean displays a Special Environmental Sample Container.

This wasn't supposed to happen. Astronauts took special "thermos" containers to the moon to hold the samples in vacuum. But the jagged edges of the dust unexpectedly cut the seals of the containers, allowing oxygen and water vapor to sneak in during the 3-day trip back to Earth. No one can say how much the dust was altered by that exposure.

Right: Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean displays a "thermos" for moondust--a.k.a. a Special Environmental Sample Container. [More]

Schmitt believes "we need to study the dust in situ--on the moon." Only there can we fully discover its properties: Why does it smell? How does it react with landers, rovers and habitats? What surprises await?

NASA plans to send people back to the moon in 2018, and they'll stay much longer than Apollo astronauts did. The next generation will have more time and better tools to tackle the mystery.

We've only just begun to smell the moondust.





God manifesting himself... I know that concept, But I don't believe in your claim.


Nah I already realized that NOI version is an off shoot/Afircan American verions of Ahmadiya.

Just so you know many can claim many scientific advances- Our ancestors always loved a flight of fancy- Indian mythological tales even include aeroplanes, missiles, nukes, rockets and space stations( Tripur - three space station which came in a single line only once in several thousand year). Doesn't mean that they really had one back then ... ( though I'm sure those who believe in alien building pyramids theory would just love such tales).

You should get Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrins reports on what they said smelled like gunpowder. Also Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin, one of the two said they saw ufos on the moon
It's not a claim it's what we know to be truth. We believe God came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad.
Scientific claim? How about actual facts. Which is what they are titled by the way. It's only a claim if it can't be proven to be true. These actual facts that came out in 1930 are being proven today. Aliens did not build the pyramids. We believe there is life on other planets but they are not aliens. Feel free to google about the noi and Mars etc. the Egyptians has hieroglyphics of ufos. Now today people see ufos. Of course to us they are not ufos. Hey are identitified. You can also Google about that. The noi and ufo or the noi and the mother wheel. Don't cal it crazy before you read.

"In 1930, before you knew anything about Mars, Master Fard Muhammad called Mars an “inhabited planet.” He said, “Mars is 141,500,000 miles from the sun, and she travels at the rate of 1,037 1/3 miles per hour.” He said, “Her diameter is 4,200 miles.” Master Fard Muhammad said, “Mercury is also an inhabited planet and is 36,000,000 miles from the sun. Her diameter is 3,000 miles and she travels at the rate of 1,037 1/3 miles per hour.” Think about that. No matter how close they are to the sun or how far they are from the sun, all of the planets travel at the same rate of speed.

Master Fard Muhammad said, “Jupiter is 483,000,000 miles from the sun. She takes eleven years and nine months to make one complete circle around the sun; her diameter is 88,700 miles; Saturn is 886,000,000 miles from the sun; Uranus, 1,782,000,000; Neptune, 2,793,000,000 miles from the sun; and the far planet Platoon, or Pluto, 4,600,000,000 miles from the sun.”

Pluto was first discovered in the year 1930, the same year that Master Fard Muhammad found you and me. How far is Pluto from the sun? Four billion, six hundred million (4,600,000,000) miles. In this figure, you have the numerals “4” and “6.”

The Book of Malachi, meaning, “My Messenger,” which is the last book of your Bible, tells us who we should be looking for: “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.” I will send you who? Elijah! In what chapter does his name appear? The 4th Chapter, verses 4-6.

Now, here is the meaning: The first “4” represents 4,000 years from Moses. Why Moses? Because both Bible and Qur'an teach us that the man that Allah (God) would send in the last days would be a man like unto Moses. How could you have a man like Moses unless you have a people like the Children of Israel, and, a wicked ruler like Pharaoh and his deceitful magicians? The second “4” represents our 400 years of bondage; and, the “6” represents the end of the 6,000-year rule of Caucasian people.

The far planet Platoon, or Pluto, is 4,600,000,000 miles away from the sun; yet, the light of the sun reaches her and has her spinning at the same speed of the other planets (1,037 and 1/3 miles per hour).

What does this mean? It means that when the Light of Allah (God) touches you, you will start turning and you will be going at the same speed of all the people of wisdom on the planet, as long as you stay in the light, acknowledge the light, submit to the light, bow down to the light and the God Who raised you and brought you to the light."

The end is the answer to your question on if planets all travel at the same speed and why
 
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You should get Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrins reports on what they said smelled like gunpowder. Also Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin, one of the two said they saw ufos on the moon
It's not a claim it's what we know to be truth. We believe God came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad.
Scientific claim? How about actual facts. Which is what they are titled by the way. It's only a claim if it can't be proven to be true. These actual facts that came out in 1930 are being proven today. Aliens did not build the pyramids. We believe there is life on other planets but they are not aliens. Feel free to google about the noi and Mars etc. the Egyptians has hieroglyphics of ufos. Now today people see ufos. Of course to us they are not ufos. Hey are identitified. You can also Google about that. The noi and ufo or the noi and the mother wheel. Don't cal it crazy before you read.

"In 1930, before you knew anything about Mars, Master Fard Muhammad called Mars an “inhabited planet.” He said, “Mars is 141,500,000 miles from the sun, and she travels at the rate of 1,037 1/3 miles per hour.” He said, “Her diameter is 4,200 miles.” Master Fard Muhammad said, “Mercury is also an inhabited planet and is 36,000,000 miles from the sun. Her diameter is 3,000 miles and she travels at the rate of 1,037 1/3 miles per hour.” Think about that. No matter how close they are to the sun or how far they are from the sun, all of the planets travel at the same rate of speed.

Master Fard Muhammad said, “Jupiter is 483,000,000 miles from the sun. She takes eleven years and nine months to make one complete circle around the sun; her diameter is 88,700 miles; Saturn is 886,000,000 miles from the sun; Uranus, 1,782,000,000; Neptune, 2,793,000,000 miles from the sun; and the far planet Platoon, or Pluto, 4,600,000,000 miles from the sun.”

Pluto was first discovered in the year 1930, the same year that Master Fard Muhammad found you and me. How far is Pluto from the sun? Four billion, six hundred million (4,600,000,000) miles. In this figure, you have the numerals “4” and “6.”

The Book of Malachi, meaning, “My Messenger,” which is the last book of your Bible, tells us who we should be looking for: “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.” I will send you who? Elijah! In what chapter does his name appear? The 4th Chapter, verses 4-6.

Now, here is the meaning: The first “4” represents 4,000 years from Moses. Why Moses? Because both Bible and Qur'an teach us that the man that Allah (God) would send in the last days would be a man like unto Moses. How could you have a man like Moses unless you have a people like the Children of Israel, and, a wicked ruler like Pharaoh and his deceitful magicians? The second “4” represents our 400 years of bondage; and, the “6” represents the end of the 6,000-year rule of Caucasian people.

The far planet Platoon, or Pluto, is 4,600,000,000 miles away from the sun; yet, the light of the sun reaches her and has her spinning at the same speed of the other planets (1,037 and 1/3 miles per hour).

What does this mean? It means that when the Light of Allah (God) touches you, you will start turning and you will be going at the same speed of all the people of wisdom on the planet, as long as you stay in the light, acknowledge the light, submit to the light, bow down to the light and the God Who raised you and brought you to the light."

The end is the answer to your question on if planets all travel at the same speed and why

We already discussed this. Here is the link to refresh you memory:



When you hit a wall and don't know what to reply you simply post a new thread to promote the same thought and idea again. It's getting tiresome.
 

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We already discussed this. Here is the link to refresh you memory:



When you hit a wall and don't know what to reply you simply post a new thread to promote the same thought and idea again. It's getting tiresome.

Oh wow. I forgot you put that. Well if you believe he is wrong can you explain why?
 

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Random mutations? Please these are all assumptions has this ever been observed and measured in a lab? If there is proof scientists should be able to make life in a lab. The fact they haven't means there is no proof and as such this is still no more than a theory.

Also mutations have never produced positive results, just take a look at albinism which is a naturally occurring mutation.

Yes humans may have shared a common ancestor but the ape came first no?

Scientists don't even have one, I repeat, not even one, example of a mutation adding brand new information. I'm not talking about already-existing information losing some information or being rearranged to make something slightly different, but the actual creation of new information. With no evidence of mutations adding information, it's amazing people still believe this fairy tale to be science when the very basis for the theory has never been proven once.

The funniest part about evolution is that humans, with all their intellect, can't even create a single-celled life form, yet believe randomness was able to do it.
 

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Oh wow. I forgot you put that. Well if you believe he is wrong can you explain why?

At least three people explained it to you in that thread I linked barely 20 days ago.
 

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Scientists don't even have one, I repeat, not even one, example of a mutation adding brand new information. I'm not talking about already-existing information losing some information or being rearranged to make something slightly different, but the actual creation of new information. With no evidence of mutations adding information, it's amazing people still believe this fairy tale to be science when the very basis for the theory has never been proven once.

The funniest part about evolution is that humans, with all their intellect, can't even create a single-celled life form, yet believe randomness was able to do it.

Mutations have already happened even in modern day. Feel free to look them up. And you must not know how complex a life form is if you're actually saying that lol.
 

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Scientists don't even have one, I repeat, not even one, example of a mutation adding brand new information. I'm not talking about already-existing information losing some information or being rearranged to make something slightly different, but the actual creation of new information. With no evidence of mutations adding information, it's amazing people still believe this fairy tale to be science when the very basis for the theory has never been proven once.

The funniest part about evolution is that humans, with all their intellect, can't even create a single-celled life form, yet believe randomness was able to do it.

Holy shit you're idiotic. So you're dismissing the heaps and mounds of evidence for evolution because they haven't yet found a mutation that adds brand new information. You'll dismiss all of that information but you'll believe in a religion that has literally zero tangible evidence?

What you're saying is like hundreds of years ago saying humans with all of their intellect haven't created cars yet or something. The simple answer is we aren't there yet. Also, I love that you're saying since humans can't do it it's impossible. Your logic is infallible.

And there was no randomness. Evolution is not blind chance or random at all.

The process of evolution is driven by the engine of natural selection, a filter that extracts order out of chaos according to a fixed and non-random set of rules. It is for this reason that many of the most common creationist caricatures of evolution fail. Evolution is not like an explosion in a print shop producing a dictionary, a tornado in a junkyard producing a 747, or DNA in a blender producing a human being, because all of these lack a component of non-random selection. - See more at:

If it were random, organisms wouldn't share similar traits.
 

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At least three people explained it to you in that thread I linked barely 20 days ago.

They weren't good in disproving what I stated. The egyptains built the pyramids so it's not a far stretch than an even older civilization could use dynamite. So there's no way you can dismiss that teaching. Your information can only go as far as what this civilization provides. They discover new "hidden" underground civilizations that once existed all the time. And scientists agree that the moon used to be apart of the earth so it's not a far stretch to say that someone blew it off. Especially when famous astronauts have said it smelled like gunpowder (no I'm not letting that go I've seen it myself before). Also there was just a news article saying scientists have now discovered that thought is actually a material. The article just came out today. Something The Nation of Islam has been teaching since 1930. Actually, if you look in my old post a couple pages back I actually told someone that a few days ago. And now today, what I said that we have been taught in The Nation of Islam is becoming a known reality. It's not that scientists didn't agree they just didn't know how to prove it but best belief that they believe it. If they didn't the FBI would not Have stole The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammads books when they arrested him in 1942 for draft evasion even though he was 45 and was too old to be drafted but they later told him they couldn't have him teaching against the war while they were trying to go to war. And they took the books they stole from him into deep study. Also, 2 years later after they arrested him, they invented the atomic bomb, which is not a far stretch to say that they got it from our lessons which has an answer to a question stating that cracking an atom will cause such an explosion.

 
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