[Discussion] Is God a mystery or a man?

[Izou Xaxa]

You are giving the true definition of a spook God. If God was some mysterious space cadet we would not benefit from that because he woudnt be a material being

Man is imperfect because when God created himself he was imperfect. He created himself out of impatience or haste because of the great pain in creating himself. The evidence that God is or I shoulda say was imperfect is we are imperfect. If we are created in his image and likeness and we are imperfect than so is he or was he. And coming in the form of a man doesn't make him imperfect. Why worship a God that cannot see or will never see and hate your fellow brothers and sisters that you see everyday? They are gods with little g's and have the God with a big G potential.

Listen carefully

God is existing but still msterious like if he is not mysterious that means you know how God feels and you know everything about him but you do not?

Humans like you cannot reach God at all

God is God and Truth

You cannot explain God or research God

We just know the words of God he gave us in the Quran but why he actually created life....puh i hate it when people like you think you are smart enough to investigate God

What i said earlies is legit and you my friend claim things like God is in man so literally God is in me so why am i not allmighty? This alone proves how ignorant and stupid that statement you gave is

You simply cannot reason about such things

And you know nothing about God

God created life and he sees us but no God is on Earth and God this may not interest you but he send us to the world to fight through life and all this

The statement with the Gods with little gs is stupid

God is God and has created everything alone and you just made a system that is actually rude towards him

You compare human and Gods on one stage ....and say they have gods power which is disrespectful and invalid

If really humans are like Gods no war would be there

God created humans to work so God is perfect and he is not sharing his power with the mortals.....

 

[TenseiganFTW]

And I said two things can't occupy the same space at the same time so there can only be one God with a big G. We are small gods because we are created in his image and likeness and have the potential to become God. That's not polytheism you fool

This is excactly what pagans do.
Suretul El Enbija chapter number 21 verse number 29:
And whoever of them should say,"indeed,i am god besides him"-That one we would recompense with hell.Thus do we recompense the wrongdoers.

 

[BrillyMac]

Becuase Bible is corrupted in many ways and Torah says :
Don't worship anything on earth since nothing resembles God.
If god was a human then we resemble him...
But nope that's not true,cause God is not a human...
Bible contains more than 3000 errors.
Torah is corrupted in some ways too.
Whatever is in agreement with Qur'an i believe in it.
Whatever goes against it i dissagree.

Then find the errors in the bible by actually reading it. One thing most people fail to see is that the Quran is a prophetic book and 75% of the bible is prophetic.

You understand what I was saying! I'm gonna have to keep an eye on you. :devil:

God created himself when there was no time. Time is the measurement of motion but you need a reference point to measure anything. Since there were no reference points he became the first reference point. This is part of the reason everything revolves around God

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

God created himself when there was no time. Time is the measurement of motion but you need a reference point to measure anything. Since there were no reference points he became the first reference point. This is part of the reason everything revolves around God

You still don't get it though. God is outside the concept of creation because he created the concept. He wouldn't need to be created! You're trying to make sense out of something that you're not going to. This is what I've been repeating to you over and over.

 

[Wparker6804]

What do you guys think? Before you give an opinion read this quote:

"1 For thousands of years, the people who did not have the Knowledge of the person, or reality of God worshiped their own Ideas of God. He has been made like many things other than what He really is. The Christians refer to God as a "Mystery" and a "Spirit" and divide Him into thirds. One part they call the Father, another part the Son, and the third part they call the Holy Ghost; which makes the three, one. This is contrary to both nature and mathematics. The law of mathematics will not allow us to put three into one. Our nature rebels against such a belief of God being a mystery and yet the Father of a son and a Holy Ghost without a wife or without being something In reality. We wonder how can the son be human, and the father a mystery (unknown), or a spirit? Who is this Holy Ghost that is classified as being the equal of the father and the son?

2 The Christians do not believe in God as being a human being, yet they believe in Him as being the Father of all human beings. They also refer to God as He, Him, Man, King and The Ruler. They teach that God sees, hears, talks, walks, stands, sits, rides, and flies; that He grieves or sorrows; and that He is interested in the affairs of human beings. They also teach that once upon a time He made the first man like Himself in the image and likeness of Himself, but yet they believe that He, Himself, is not a man or human. They preach and prophesy of His coming and that He will be seen on the Judgment Day but is not man. They cannot tell us what He looks like, yet man is made like Him and in the image of God, and yet they still say that He is a mystery (unknown).

3 How can one teach the people to know God if He, himself, does not know God. If you try teaching the Christians that God is also a human being, they will say that you are crazy, that you do not believe in God and that you are an infidel. In the meantime, while they admit that He is a Mystery God (unknown), they teach not to make any likeness of Him; yet they adorn their walls and churches with pictures, images and statues like human beings.

4 Can God be a Mystery God and yet send prophets to represent Himself? Have the prophets been representing a God that is not known (Mystery)? They tell us that they heard Gods voice speaking to them in their own language. Can a spirit speak a language while being an immaterial something? If God is not material, what pleasure would He get out of material beings and the material universe? What is the basis of spirit? Is the spirit independent of material?

5 Actually, who is that Mystery God? We should take time and study what has and is being taught to us. Study the word and examine it, and if it be the Truth, lay hold to it. To teach people that God is a Mystery God is to teach them that God is unknown. There is no truth in such teaching. Can one teach that which he himself does not know?

6 If one teaches a thing that he himself does not know, he can be charged with lying to the people. The word "mystery," according to the English dictionaries, is something that has not been or cannot be - something beyond human comprehension. The unintelligent, or rather ones without divine knowledge, seem to delight themselves in representing the God as something mysterious Unknown.

7 Such teaching (a mystery God) that God is a mystery makes the prophets' teachings of God all false. There should be a law made and enforced upon such teachers until they have been removed from the public."

This has a lot of thought behind it but it's not EXACTLY in the right context. If I wasn't barely staying awake I'd explain it but I can barely look streight for more than a few seconds. I have a LOT of thought on comparing (not debating or bashing) different religions as well as atheism & agnostic standing.

 

[Gerkak]

God created himself when there was no time. Time is the measurement of motion but you need a reference point to measure anything. Since there were no reference points he became the first reference point. This is part of the reason everything revolves around God

Whether there was time or not when god created himself what space did he occupy? If he did occupy space then the space must have existed before god.

I'll say it again there can never be a time or place that an omnipresent being never existed. If there was then that being is not omnipresent.

 

[BrillyMac]

You still don't get it though. God is outside the concept of creation because he created the concept. He wouldn't need to be created! You're trying to make sense out of something that you're not going to, is what I've been repeating to you over and over.

Well, I didn't know that was what you were saying. But I get it and I agree. But even though he created the concept, that does not mean he did not create himself. This goes back to what I said previously. That's what makes him God. He created himself when the concept of creation did not exist. He created himself when nothing existed

 

[ANiMUS]

Where did you hear that we only had a similar mental makeup? Did you just assume that? It said "image" and "likeness". I'm sure you knwo what an image is. The image is the physical while the likeness is the spiritual/mental


Yes! You get it! But when God created himself that was an original thought because it was the first thought. Unfortunately there was no person or reference point to record Gods creation because he was the first thing to exist. And that could mean he was creating himself for eons of time before a reference point could have even been created

Well I am not saying that we are only spiritually or mentally the same. In fact in multiple visions and sightings in the bible god and the angels were given the form of men, however flesh can not dwell in heaven so without being flesh they can't be men.

 

[Joon]

Who wrote the bible?

 

[Izou Xaxa]

Then find the errors in the bible by actually reading it. One thing most people fail to see is that the Quran is a prophetic book and 75% of the bible is prophetic.

God created himself when there was no time. Time is the measurement of motion but you need a reference point to measure anything. Since there were no reference points he became the first reference point. This is part of the reason everything revolves around God

No God has created everything and he never was created because he stands at the top

You need a measure to? No no listen i already told you there is no logic or investigation about God

The reason why God is there will be msterious forever

Do you know why? You are just clmaiming but the lyer is you...understood

Damm it God was just there

he was not created

There are millions of reason about Gods truth but no one will ever know

 

[Multiply]

Who wrote the bible?

Men inspired by my father of course.

 

[Joon]

Men inspired by my father of course.

So much wrong there. >.>

 

[Gerkak]

Well, I didn't know that was what you were saying. But I get it and I agree. But even though he created the concept, that does not mean he did not create himself. This goes back to what I said previously. That's what makes him God. He created himself when the concept of creation did not exist. He created himself when nothing existed

Then he isn't omnipresent

 

[BrillyMac]

No God has created everything and he never was created because he stands at the top

You need a measure to? No no listen i already told you there is no logic or investigation about God

The reason why God is there will be msterious forever

Do you know why? You are just clmaiming but the lyer is you...understood

Damm it God was just there

he was not created

There are millions of reason about Gods truth but no one will ever know

You obviously didn't read the quote at the beginning of the thread. Dude, God is not a spook or s mystery. God created himself which is why he is God. He brought himself into existence. Nothing else did it. And that makes it so brain scratching because you would wonder how is that possible when there was nothing

Then he isn't omnipresent

But he is. There was nothing to record the time so there was no beginning when he created himself. That's the start of him, there is no start. If there is no tien, there is no starting point. And there definetely has not been an end point yet. God has no beginning not end because there is not a time or reference point for either. Time does not exist when there are no reference pints. I'll say it again, God has no beginning because to have a beginning you need a time. That's what makes him omnipresent. There was never a time when he was bro here. In all of time, God has existed

 

[Wparker6804]

A big key problem here: Context
People take things out of context all the time. One of the biggest & oldest mistakes: taking things as you see them, not as they are, and make decisions & statements about it. Corrouption (unintentionally or not) is spread when people spread false info that fits their preference.

PLEASE NOTE: This is not targeting ANYTHING specifically. Beleifs, studies, etc. Primarally because it can and should be applied to almost everything and everyone. We've all done it & it's affected countless things that we've involved ourselves in.

I'd explain it a lot better in person but I'm tired.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Well, I didn't know that was what you were saying. But I get it and I agree. But even though he created the concept, that does not mean he did not create himself. This goes back to what I said previously. That's what makes him God. He created himself when the concept of creation did not exist. He created himself when nothing existed

Yes it does. He couldn't have created the concept if he didn't already exist.

Define; Creation: the action or process of bringing something into existence.

Define; Existence: the fact or state of living or having objective reality.

So therefore he couldn't create himself if there was nothing existing. He'd had to have already have been.

 

[BrillyMac]

A big key problem here: Context
People take things out of context all the time. One of the biggest & oldest mistakes: taking things as you see them, not as they are, and make decisions & statements about it. Corrouption (unintentionally or not) is spread when people spread false info that fits their preference.

PLEASE NOTE: This is not targeting ANYTHING specifically. Beleifs, studies, etc. Primarally because it can and should be applied to almost everything and everyone. We've all done it & it's affected countless things that we've involved ourselves in.

I'd explain it a lot better in person but I'm tired.

Agreed. To many people take things as they see them and not as they are. That's what the bible kinda is. Most of it is metaphors but a lot of people don't realize that

Yes it does. He couldn't have created the concept of he didn't already exist.

Define; Creation: the action or process of bringing something into existence.

Define; Existence: the fact or state of living or having objective reality.

So therefore he couldn't create himself if there was nothing existing. He'd had to have already have been.

I have been taught that before God, There was just matter(the Material of darkness), electricity, and thought;the matter served no purpose. I have also been taught that God created himself and in his first stage was a spark. Have you ever heard when two objects come together at such rapid speeds a spark can be created? Let me get a little deeper. When sperm strikes the ovum, a spark of life is created. The sperm is like electricity and the ovum is like the material of darkness. Gid created himself with these materials in the same way new life is made

 

[Izou Xaxa]

You obviously didn't read the quote at the beginning of the thread. Dude, God is not a spook or s mystery. God created himself which is why he is God. He brought himself into existence. Nothing else did it. And that makes it so brain scratching because you would wonder how is that possible when there was nothing

Ok that makes sense but why you wonder i am angry? You as human like me dare to question and investiagte God

A cllaim of the likes he brought himslef into existence wrong you must say i think he might have brought himself to existence

This sentence here is like spitting on the whole thing around God

But still you know nothing even if that what you said might true do not get ahead of yourself and think you can watch through God

I am a soft guy and respetc you but i know a lot of muslims, christs that are not ISIS or stron extremist that would make so much rants about your claim

Also XD are over million years old....why do you know there was nothing at the start huh? Since you never exiisted in that time with Jesus or Mohammed you have no write to claim that

puh why dont you understand what i mean? YOu dont know and god isnt a spook i never said that and the word "is" why? you dont know God and i as well do not know

WIth the word in the phrase "is" you give me the message that your theory is fact but it is not...nonsense that is for sure

 

[Gerkak]

But he is. There was nothing to record the time so there was no beginning when he created himself. That's the start of him, there is no start. If there is no tien, there is no starting point. And there definetely has not been an end point yet. God has no beginning not end because there is not a time or reference point for either. Time does not exist when there are no reference pints. I'll say it again, God has no beginning because to have a beginning you need a time. That's what makes him omnipresent. There was never a time when he was bro here. In all of time, God has existed

Omnipresence is not only in relation to time it deals with the concept of space. Indeed both space and time are concepts from their origin. Omnipresent means being everywhere and 'everywhen'. As a result if god created himself there must be a space or place in which he created himself in and if the place was around before and previously wasn't occupied then god isn't omnipresent.

All concepts are said to be created i.e time, space, life, death, existence, non existence etc. God is said to encompass all of creation in his knowledge and is said to be unique and thus outside of everything including every concept.

My first post was that man can't grasp the nature of an omnipotent being and this has been proven correct.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

Omnipresence is not only in relation to time it deals with the concept of space. Indeed both space and time are concepts from their origin. Omnipresent means being everywhere and 'everywhen'. As a result if god created himself there must be a space or place in which he created himself in and if the place was around before and previously wasn't occupied then god isn't omnipresent.

All concepts are said to be created i.e time, space, life, death, existence, non existence etc. God is said to encompass all in his knowledge and is said to be unique and thus outside of everything including every concept.

My first post was that man can't grasp the nature of an omnipotent being and this has been proven correct.

Yeah i totally agree on this man cannot reach omnipodent but the dude who made the thread just blocks andtreis to logic around God more

The simply answer God is almighty

God is absolute

God is Truth

God is Knowledge that is all and no more questiions