I see. So in your mind if someone killed Hitler they would be equal to someone who eats babies alive? Because they both committed murder. So killing Hitler would have been a bad thing even if we could have stopped the torture and murder of millions of jews by doing so. Killing one criminal to save a million innocent civilians is not worth it.
But if you support an eye for an eye then if someone commits a crime they must be held accountable, bad intentions or not. I understand that the Prison system might give benefits to the government, but that doesn't mean that the Prison system was put in place to gain money. It was put in place to offer suitable detention time for people who have committed crimes while trying to rehabilitate them back into society. All Governments in the world have corruption, but that doesn't mean that all parts of the government are corrupt.
In reality, people wont give up on their misdeeds. If they wanted they could have under any system. In the case for an eye for an eye, there is just no end to it. The only easy way is to give up on revenge, may it not be fair, but we're not willing to trade civilization for barbaric ways just because its 'fair'. If unfair world means greater development and more proportion of happy people so be it. Thats why an eye for an eye makes the world blind, and thats why this catchy phrase was the solution to problems. >_>"
Hitler is an extreme case but if he didn't commit suicide and he was caught he should have been sentenced to life in prison. Number don't matter in my opinion. Murder is murder. Obviously Hitlers crimes are horrendous and unforgivable to all of humanity (which unfortunately it isn't). But if you Kill the killer then his disease has infected you. Same thing happened not long ago with Osama Bin Laden, they entered and killed without thinking of the consequences. Not only is it wrong to kill anyone, but the American government could of caused retaliation. Every party in confrontation believes they are in the right, people kill because they think the person they are killing deserves to die. (Hitler hated several minorities and believed in his idea of a perfect nation and Osama Bin Laden disagreed with Western society, both people attacked because they believe that they are right.) The only way you can stay impartial and independent from the whole thing is by thinking that ANY killing is morally wrong. Doesn't matter if you think that someone deserves to die or not, killing them makes you just as bad as them.
Once both have lost an eye all is equal. You just assume and warp the situation to think people will go insane and will not stop . You make up false scenarios to try to say an eye for an eye does not work when it in fact does. All things must be equal and fair in this world to work. When you inbalance the world like you are trying to tensions only build up and things become worse.
I agree but what you described isn't an eye for an eye. An eye for an eye is when someone commits a crime, they receive the crime that they had committed enforced back onto them. What you propose is harsher punishment. I wouldn't go to the extremes you have (torture/murder/slavery) but harsher punishments might be needed.
Thieves should repay the debt to all of their victims. Meaning their possessions must become equal to or greater in value of the ones they stole. They must also pay for the time they went without those possessions. They don't have a debt to society they have a debt to their victims.
@bolded: that's true, in fact some people only commit crimes so that they can end up in prison, which they think is cool. So prison is a cool place to be for some and it don't matter if they spent 1 or 5 years in there. It's just "in them" to live to raise their street repuation.
My friend had no insurance so every time he needed some sort of medical treatment, mainly dental work, he would just violate his probation and get a 3 month sanction to get the work done.
If i remember correct, it was the troubles of my homeland for which a certain someone spoke 'An eye for an eye makes the world blind'. You'd know better?
Fight for them then, I rather die than not have any rights at all. You cant truly say we have none, sure we still have to obey a few laws against our rights at times but at least we live better than other countries who even speaking against something will get them death. (Well, it works both ways..you get the same punishment or they make u suffer the pain by taking away what you took. )
It can be interpreted both ways, depending of the one punishing you and what they rule.
Don't stereotype please. By you saying just Islam and by putting that this law is fair, you will make people who don't know better believe that all Muslims will follow this law.
Haha Hitler and life in prison. So you are paying $80,000 a year to keep the most evil man ever to be born alive.... All the while he can make more books and convert more people to the path of evil. Yeah that sounds like a REALLY GOOF idea.
If one of my parents went insane and started going on a killing spree I would want to execute them myself for the crimes they committed. Well that is unless the victims want to do it as they have a better reason than me for doing so. You cannot allow criminals (real criminals) to get away unscathed. If you steal then that person needs to repay the people in full plus interest (and inflation) on what they stole.
Seriously, I wished we could borrow and apply the old traditional (Hindu)law for it- the person who kills a family member over property should be disqualified as an inheriter. That will solve more than half of such cases.
You call me Naive but know nothing about me. All the things you have spoken about should never happened but are all results of your kind of thinking. If you want to talk about suppression in American you should ignore the founding fathers as they have no right to be there. White Americans are not Native to America, they imposed themselves by murdering those that lived there Human history is riddled with destruction and unfairness but that doesn't mean that we should seek revenge because revenge breeds hatred. You think you should kill the killer, i believe that you show the killer mercy and hope he is able to come back into society and be a cooperative and valued citizen which happens more times than not. You speak of extremist situations, my opinion is that the Jews shouldn't of been put in that position in the first place. Instead of spreading hatred and revenge (like you) we should learn from our mistakes and as a world should be aiming to better ourselves so these crimes are never repeated. (and slowly we are doing so, fascist views and racism are dropping dramatically when comparing generational leaps).
