[Discussion] Is dofflamingo an admiral level pirate?

[Vandenre1ch]

He was looking for luffy and law what would fighting an admiral do for trying to find him... (Even tho he can't beat him)


Blackbeard ran away from akainu (when he retrieved Bonney) does that not make him yonko level

Doffy is only one aside from white beard to break out of akoji ice unscathed (pretty sure the top tiers could do it just haven't shown it)



Marco did not do serious or any damage to any admiral... And once caught off guard admirals stopped him pretty easily.. After everything doffy has shown on dress rosa u don't think he could have done what Marco did and then some (minus ranking kizaru light beam thing that I'd give to Marco op ass regeneration) all Marco did was kick kizaru and fight him for a bit (which I think doffy could do tho kizaru how his devil fruit is may b a problem but there r clouds everywhere in that war so ...) and then fail to keep akainu at bay from luffy with his partner vista b


Ps I don't think Marco (pretimeskip) is admiral level pts however idk



By that logic mihawk can't cut diamond cuz he hasn't shown to there for everyone who uses a sword in series should not be able to also how does Jozu get out of parasite when he wasn't shown to ??? (And that luffy shit was bullshit still wasn't explained) even so how does he hit doffy if doffy is in the air ???

He's called the sky demon for reason ....



Jozu can't hit doffy if he's in the sky nuff said

How does Doffy cut diamond? I doubt Doffy will have a better performance against Kuzan than Jozu.

Mihawk>Jozu but because of a special ability, like diamonds, Mihawk cant cut Jozu. Its very much like how Jozu>Doffy but because of a special ability like parasite, Jozu would be restrained. Its also like Usopp vs Trebol. Trebol is stronger but due to his skills, Usopp can beat him.

 

[bajram]

Sadly not even close, his pre-TS portrayal was way better than the post-TS , back than pre-Ts I had hope that Doffy was at least close or at admiral level but that opinion got completely shattered with the recent arc, being helpless against G4 Luffy pretty much confirms it and a shitton of other poor displays, so to answer ur question- No.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Jozu can't cover his entire body in diamond, so Doffy or anyone else who can't cut of break diamond can just aim at wherever Jozu isn't covering his body in diamond.

 

[Ridoku X]

The statement he had to pay attention isn't going to change anything here as it doesn't make him any weaker. You said for yourself that Aokiji was attacked by Jozu when he was distracted which means that even admirals are vulnerable to out side attacks despite being at the middle of a war. Jozu and Aokiji aren't only people to get attacked by outsiders during their battles. Does Aokiji getting wounded by Jozu when he wasn't paying attention make him weaker than Jozu? No. Then why would Jozu be weaker than Doflamingo?

Off panel or not. The fact that Jozu held his own against Aokiji and Aokiji failed to land an attack on him when they were fighting head on remains unchanged. Doffy was dead serious about killing Smoker and he needed to attack Smoker as quickly as possibly otherwise Aokiji would save him. He quickly tried to attack Smoker(as quickly as possible infact) who was just beneath Doffy and still failed as Aokiji reacted even faster so he can certainly do the same again if he wanted to.

I don't know what part of it looks like he was playing with Jozu. He merely immobilized him for a few seconds nothing else. And from the looks of it. Jozu didn't even displayed any signs of struggle to think that he actually tried to break free and failed. He was calm and was silently listening to their conversation so it can be implied that he didn't attempted to resist Doffy because he wanted to know what was going on b/w Doffy and Croc. If Luffy in his weakest state can break free from Jokers strings then I am fairly certain about someone who was portrayed to be as physically capable as Jozu being able to do the same.

Imagine this. You are in a war and your boss and nakama are literally dying on the battlefield and you are fighting with someone. Suddenly, some random mofo immobilizes you completely, sits on top of you and then proceeds to have a casual conversation with the guy you were fighting. Oh and in the end you get freakin' sables'd in the face. How is this not complete ridicule ? The manga panel also shows Jozu's veins popping out and the "!?" speech clouds, so Jozu wasn't really as relaxed as you portray him to have been.Also, we can't know how long the conversation between Doffy and Crocodile took. If you are willing to assume that it was mere seconds, then I can say that since the Jozu vs Aokiji fight was off-panel, it took a few seconds as well.

And weak or not, G4 is G4. It's a significant power up and Luffy's willpower was peak at the time so breaking the strings was apparent. Doffy was weak as well. In fact he was semi-dead with all his insides messed up. That would obviously have a toll on his abilities. It was a weak Luffy, against an even weaker Doflamingo.

 

[Ridoku X]

Then what does parasite rely on? Cause Doffy never tried using it on Luffy and Law. He only used it on Luffy when he was severely weak. Its not entirely brute strength but a weak G4 Luffy broke out but a fresh Jozu couldn't.

Pretty much without parasite, Doffy cant beat Jozu. Jozu is stronger but because of parasite, Doffy can restrain him.

I am not really saying that it doesn't rely on willpower. In fact, I agree with this theory but it's just that we can't know for sure. All I said is that it doesn't seem to rely as heavily as you say it does since we can't say that Jozu had a particularly low willpower(He was in a war to save his nakama, so he had to be determined and whatnot). Jozu not being able to break free from it, indicates low Haki capabilites. And that basically means that Doflamingo's Haki is >= Jozu's. And why would we restrict parasite in the first place ? :wut:

Parasite is in Doflamingo's arsenal. If Doffy can restrain and completely immobilize Jozu, that means he can land hits on him. And if he's already bypassed Jozu's defenses before(by using the parasite), then that means he can damage him as well. Oh and let's not forget the previous part about his haki being at least equal to Jozu's. The way I see it, Doffy can have the edge in this battle.

 

[loj]

he's not no.

 

[kageking]

He is in the sense that he's comparable, that's not to say he beats all/any admiral, its more thats the closest thing to compare him to as you wouldn't say he is yonko or vice admiral level.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

How does Doffy cut diamond? I doubt Doffy will have a better performance against Kuzan than Jozu.

Mihawk>Jozu but because of a special ability, like diamonds, Mihawk cant cut Jozu. Its very much like how Jozu>Doffy but because of a special ability like parasite, Jozu would be restrained. Its also like Usopp vs Trebol. Trebol is stronger but due to his skills, Usopp can beat him.

It's more than a special ability u contradict ur self u say mihawk > Jozu but special ability makes Jozu not able to be cut by him

Jozu canonically could not counter parasite and has nothing to answer for doffy speed reaction speed (doffy snuck up on him he could've been dead or doffy could've cut his body cuz he has not shown to put his entire body encased in diamond

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Sorry can't find manga chapter but yeah doffy could've just cut off that arm or leg and been done but no doffy wanted to show his dominance over someone like Jozu as well as have a full convo with crocodile .. I also want to point out I could b wrong but didn't Jozu diamond start disappearing while he was caught in parasite? If that is the case then what is stopping doffy from using overheat once that happens

It's not just parasite that makes doffy stronger then him

, also akoji got best of him in a split second yeah destruction so what it was a war and he was fighting an admiral...)
Not to mention has nothing to say to doffy being in the air ....


Like I believe Jozu is one of physically strongest characters in series but strength isn't everything

Even tho much is not shown from him Jozu seems like just a brawler

I'd give intelligence speed reaction speed and prob stamina to doffy

Whereas Jozu prob has strength durability and haki (cuz plus the diamond ability it would be stronger then normal haki)

But u still have to think and see that Jozu has failed to show a full body diamond ...

 

[A v i]

Imagine this. You are in a war and your boss and nakama are literally dying on the battlefield and you are fighting with someone. Suddenly, some random mofo immobilizes you completely, sits on top of you and then proceeds to have a casual conversation with the guy you were fighting. Oh and in the end you get freakin' sables'd in the face. How is this not complete ridicule ? The manga panel also shows Jozu's veins popping out and the "!?" speech clouds, so Jozu wasn't really as relaxed as you portray him to have been.Also, we can't know how long the conversation between Doffy and Crocodile took. If you are willing to assume that it was mere seconds, then I can say that since the Jozu vs Aokiji fight was off-panel, it took a few seconds as well.

Don't have to imagine anything as it happened in manga. And no it wasn't as bad as you're implying it to be. He was just blocked and I don't understand why you guys are making big deal out of it. An admiral was wounded to a level where he'd bleed yet it doesn't seem like ridicule to anyone but just immobilizing Jozu made you believe that he's stronger than Jozu. He was attacked out of nowhere so of course he'd wonder about what happened to him hence the bubbles with "! & ?" symbols. He was blocked and half of the conversation was over before Jozu looked back to see by whom he was stopped and the rest of the argument was ended and Crocodile landed an attack as soon as he turned back and I don't see why the conversation would last more than a few seconds.


Getting attacked off guard is very casual thing when you're in a battle. Hell even Akainu was cut in half by a fodder ass like Crocodile that too when he was fighting Jimbe an absolute fodder against him. You're not going to tell me that he's weaker than Crocodile? So before calling Jozu weaker than Doffy you'll have to admit that Jozu > Aokiji and Crocodile > Akainu as their situations were just as bad as that of Jozu.

And weak or not, G4 is G4. It's a significant power up and Luffy's willpower was peak at the time so breaking the strings was apparent. Doffy was weak as well. In fact he was semi-dead with all his insides messed up. That would obviously have a toll on his abilities. It was a weak Luffy, against an even weaker Doflamingo.

G4 is G4? What is the supposed to mean? G4 or not he's in a weak state which means that he's weak regardless of the mode he's using. G4 doesn't make him healthy or restore his power. If anything it makes his condition even worse. It was just that he raised his limited power to it's maximum. I am pretty sure none of his attacks(as far as his devils fruit is concerned) were noted be weakened because of his condition. When it comes to physical traits Jozu is like someone with G4 on 24X7 so ya he can break out of it. Why would he get caught in the first place? It's not like Joker would get the luxury catching his opponent when he's off guard as it is not going to happen in a one on one battle.


Once again Doffy immobilizing Jozu means nothing in a one on one battle and I am not going to repeat same wall of text again.

 

[Black Mamba]

Marco did not do serious or any damage to any admiral... And once caught off guard admirals stopped him pretty easily.. After everything doffy has shown on dress rosa u don't think he could have done what Marco did and then some (minus ranking kizaru light beam thing that I'd give to Marco op ass regeneration) all Marco did was kick kizaru and fight him for a bit (which I think doffy could do tho kizaru how his devil fruit is may b a problem but there r clouds everywhere in that war so ...) and then fail to keep akainu at bay from luffy with his partner vista b


Ps I don't think Marco (pretimeskip) is admiral level pts however idk

I disagree Marco fought Kizaru and pushed him back and even sent Aokiji flying, yes it was a sneak attack thou. Marco was worrying about WB's health the whole time and was taken down after he was handcuffed by seastone. Handcuff any admiral(with df) with seastone and even Usopp can beat them. There's nothing in the manga that suggests the admirals were stronger then Marco.

 

[abdulmanjoo1]

,aybe u shud ahve put a spoilers sign

 

[Ridoku X]

Don't have to imagine anything as it happened in manga. And no it wasn't as bad as you're implying it to be. He was just blocked and I don't understand why you guys are making big deal out of it. An admiral was wounded to a level where he'd bleed yet it doesn't seem like ridicule to anyone but just immobilizing Jozu made you believe that he's stronger than Jozu. He was attacked out of nowhere so of course he'd wonder about what happened to him hence the bubbles with "! & ?" symbols. He was blocked and half of the conversation was over before Jozu looked back to see by whom he was stopped and the rest of the argument was ended and Crocodile landed an attack as soon as he turned back and I don't see why the conversation would last more than a few seconds.


Getting attacked off guard is very casual thing when you're in a battle. Hell even Akainu was cut in half by a fodder ass like Crocodile that too when he was fighting Jimbe an absolute fodder against him. You're not going to tell me that he's weaker than Crocodile? So before calling Jozu weaker than Doffy you'll have to admit that Jozu > Aokiji and Crocodile > Akainu as their situations were just as bad as that of Jozu.



G4 is G4? What is the supposed to mean? G4 or not he's in a weak state which means that he's weak regardless of the mode he's using. G4 doesn't make him healthy or restore his power. If anything it makes his condition even worse. It was just that he raised his limited power to it's maximum. I am pretty sure none of his attacks(as far as his devils fruit is concerned) were noted be weakened because of his condition. When it comes to physical traits Jozu is like someone with G4 on 24X7 so ya he can break out of it. Why would he get caught in the first place? It's not like Joker would get the luxury catching his opponent when he's off guard as it is not going to happen in a one on one battle.


Once again Doffy immobilizing Jozu means nothing in a one on one battle and I am not going to repeat same wall of text again.

You keep saying the same thing, that Doffy restraining Jozu means nothing in a one on one fight, yet you assume that Jozu can break free from parasite(something that holds no ground whatsoever based on the manga). That's basically denying the only point Doffy has on Jozu. As of now, based on the manga, it's Doffy 1 - Jozu 0. If he's done it before, then he can do it again. Jozu was unable to break free, end of story. Parasite relies on 2 big factors. Brute strength and willpower. If Oda wanted to show Jozu's superiority he would either not have him caught in a web like an insect or make him break free. He was vulnerable at the time, and since he couldn't break free, I can assume that Doffy could've harmed him if he wanted to.

Now, if you really insist doe, I can go with your flow. Let's just say that Doffy can't restrain Jozu via parasite. I've mentioned before that parasite relies on 2 big factors. Brute strength and willpower. I don't think Jozu lacks the strength, so the thing he lacked was willpower. Also, in order to get the parasite through, Doffy bascally penetrated Jozu's defenses so that means he used haki(Since Jozu was on his way to attack crocodile with the diamond and haki coatings on). From that, we can assume that Doffy's haki is better than Jozu's, so now he has a way to cut him down. And since Doflamingo's agile and faster than Jozu, that basically means that he can dodge Jozu's attacks and cut him down without parasite. This scenario goes to show that even if you deplete him of his feats and arsenal, Doffy still has the means to beat and harm Jozu.

Oh and about the the admirals and the sneak attacks. What did Aokiji do after he got punched ? He shrugged it off and proceeded to one shot Jozu. Similarly to how Doflamingo just spat some blood after he got Red Hawk'd(It was just a superficial injury, so that's a durability feat as well) and then went on to wreck Luffy and Law. Akainu. Yes he got attacked by Crocodile but what happened next ? Akainu was ambushed by the WB pirates so he didn't **** Crocodile up. Now what did Jozu do ? Completely nothing. He just sat there helpless and then got sables'd away. He didn't retaliate, so that means 2 things. He either couldn't do anything or he simply chose not to do nothing, which means he's a mazochist. Up to you to decide what really happened.

 

[U mAd]

about the marco vs kizaru vs battle.both of them were just fighting cassully.they wern't serious at all.even at the end of the war kizaru was at full power untouched.i feel that the admirals are really being uderestimated.i feel like any admiral would get any yanko high difficulty level challenege.

 

[A v i]

You keep saying the same thing, that Doffy restraining Jozu means nothing in a one on one fight, yet you assume that Jozu can break free from parasite(something that holds no ground whatsoever based on the manga). That's basically denying the only point Doffy has on Jozu. As of now, based on the manga, it's Doffy 1 - Jozu 0. If he's done it before, then he can do it again. Jozu was unable to break free, end of story. Parasite relies on 2 big factors. Brute strength and willpower. If Oda wanted to show Jozu's superiority he would either not have him caught in a web like an insect or make him break free. He was vulnerable at the time, and since he couldn't break free, I can assume that Doffy could've harmed him if he wanted to.

Sure, why not? If he can do that when he was distracted then he can surely do the same again when Jozu is distracted. I didn't said that Jozu can break free without presenting an argument. Jozu was portrayed to be physically superior to 95% of OP which includes even Luffy. If you're going to tell me that Luffy in his weakest state is superior to Jozu then you are not properly reading manga. I don't know which part of those panels made you believe that he couldn't break free as he was never shown to made an attempt to break free as far as I remember. He simply didn't which doesn't suggest that he couldn't. Contrary to what you have said if Oda wanted to make him look superior then he'd have made him try to break free and fail. For 100th time Jozu isn't the only one to get caught off guard and if someone gets attacked when they weren't paying attention it doesn't mean that they're weaker than the one who attacked by any means.

Now, if you really insist doe, I can go with your flow. Let's just say that Doffy can't restrain Jozu via parasite. I've mentioned before that parasite relies on 2 big factors. Brute strength and willpower. I don't think Jozu lacks the strength, so the thing he lacked was willpower. Also, in order to get the parasite through, Doffy bascally penetrated Jozu's defenses so that means he used haki(Since Jozu was on his way to attack crocodile with the diamond and haki coatings on). From that, we can assume that Doffy's haki is better than Jozu's, so now he has a way to cut him down. And since Doflamingo's agile and faster than Jozu, that basically means that he can dodge Jozu's attacks and cut him down without parasite. This scenario goes to show that even if you deplete him of his feats and arsenal, Doffy still has the means to beat and harm Jozu.

Parasite depends on willpower and strength? I don't understand what that supposed to mean and I definitely don't get where this argument came from. Then comes this whole Jozu lacks will power argument which has no ground as far as I remember. His haki is strong enough to wound an admiral to a level where he'd bleed something only top tiers such as Whitebeard and Rayleigh were shown to be capable of. So if you think he lacks haki then once again you're not reading manga properly. Why would Doffy needs to penetrate Jozu's defense to immobilize him? I am pretty sure no one knows how Doffy attaches his strings to opponents body to use parasite. SO this is nothing more than another assumption on your part. Jozu coated half of his body with Diamond something that doesn't get overpowered by Mihawk's slash. So if an attack of that level can't break through then smallest form of Doffy's strings can't do it.

Oh and about the the admirals and the sneak attacks. What did Aokiji do after he got punched ? He shrugged it off and proceeded to one shot Jozu. Similarly to how Doflamingo just spat some blood after he got Red Hawk'd(It was just a superficial injury, so that's a durability feat as well) and then went on to wreck Luffy and Law. Akainu. Yes he got attacked by Crocodile but what happened next ? Akainu was ambushed by the WB pirates so he didn't **** Crocodile up. Now what did Jozu do ? Completely nothing. He just sat there helpless and then got sables'd away. He didn't retaliate, so that means 2 things. He either couldn't do anything or he simply chose not to do nothing, which means he's a mazochist. Up to you to decide what really happened.

He didn't shrugged it off nor did he proceeded to one shot Jozu. They fought from that point to the point where Marco was attacked by Kizaru while going to help Whitebeard. B/w which Whitebeard fought fooders and Akainu for a while then got chest pain which resulted in him getting attacked by Akainu. Everything happened while Jozu was holding off Aokiji and he failed to put an end to Jozu during that span. What happened next is irrelevant as the fact that they were attacked off guard remains totally intact. And I certainly don't remember Jozu struggling when he was being held by Doffy which is no different from how you explained the situation of admirals so again I don't get why you're trying to make big deal out of it. I have already told you that everything was over before he'd make a move and Yes, he was just standing there without doing anything and you're free to name it however you want. This guy managed to move his body while carrying a hill sized iceberg which is one of greatest feat of physical strength in the series. Imagine how much pressure it'd put on his body, he still managed to move so it's extremely odd to even assume that he'd get stopped by Doffy even when he's providing resistance.

 

[Ridoku X]

Sure, why not? If he can do that when he was distracted then he can surely do the same again when Jozu is distracted. I didn't said that Jozu can break free without presenting an argument. Jozu was portrayed to be physically superior to 95% of OP which includes even Luffy. If you're going to tell me that Luffy in his weakest state is superior to Jozu then you are not properly reading manga. I don't know which part of those panels made you believe that he couldn't break free as he was never shown to made an attempt to break free as far as I remember. He simply didn't which doesn't suggest that he couldn't. Contrary to what you have said if Oda wanted to make him look superior then he'd have made him try to break free and fail. For 100th time Jozu isn't the only one to get caught off guard and if someone gets attacked when they weren't paying attention it doesn't mean that they're weaker than the one who attacked by any means.




Parasite depends on willpower and strength? I don't understand what that supposed to mean and I definitely don't get where this argument came from. Then comes this whole Jozu lacks will power argument which has no ground as far as I remember. His haki is strong enough to wound an admiral to a level where he'd bleed something only top tiers such as Whitebeard and Rayleigh were shown to be capable of. So if you think he lacks haki then once again you're not reading manga properly. Why would Doffy needs to penetrate Jozu's defense to immobilize him? I am pretty sure no one knows how Doffy attaches his strings to opponents body to use parasite. SO this is nothing more than another assumption on your part. Jozu coated half of his body with Diamond something that doesn't get overpowered by Mihawk's slash. So if an attack of that level can't break through then smallest form of Doffy's strings can't do it.





He didn't shrugged it off nor did he proceeded to one shot Jozu. They fought from that point to the point where Marco was attacked by Kizaru while going to help Whitebeard. B/w which Whitebeard fought fooders and Akainu for a while then got chest pain which resulted in him getting attacked by Akainu. Everything happened while Jozu was holding off Aokiji and he failed to put an end to Jozu during that span. What happened next is irrelevant as the fact that they were attacked off guard remains totally intact. And I certainly don't remember Jozu struggling when he was being held by Doffy which is no different from how you explained the situation of admirals so again I don't get why you're trying to make big deal out of it. I have already told you that everything was over before he'd make a move and Yes, he was just standing there without doing anything and you're free to name it however you want. This guy managed to move his body while carrying a hill sized iceberg which is one of greatest feat of physical strength in the series. Imagine how much pressure it'd put on his body, he still managed to move so it's extremely odd to even assume that he'd get stopped by Doffy even when he's providing resistance.

Luffy in his, as you call, weakest state was superior to Jozu. Superior based on willpower that is. As I've said, parasite has to do with willpower. Doflamingo can NOT control people whos willpower and resolution are at peak. Some get controlled and others get stopped right on their tracks. Now to break free from parasite, you need brute strength and strong enough willpower. Jozu was unable to break free and the evidence is there. Sure, I might exaggerate the situation as you say but you are understating and minimizing it completely. Jozu was ready to attack, he had momentum. It's not like he was carelessly strolling through the battlefield. He got stopped completely and then could not do anything about it. Signs of struggle were shown since his veins were popping out at the time. And besides, why on earth would he not break free ? You seem to be ingoring the fact that they are in a middle of a war. Why would Jozu just sit there and get ridiculed ?

Busoshaku haki now is only one type of haki. Willpower is a whole package. Just because he was able to hit an Admiral doesn't mean much since he was fighting crocodile at the time. Parasite strings are attached to the victim's body and mainly to the base/nape of their neck. Jozu was on his way to attack Crocodile, a Logia. That means he had his haki coating on that you praise so much + his DF diamond armor coat thing. How did Doflamingo penetrate Jozu's defenses ? Simply. By inserting his parasite strings into him while he had both his coatings on and was ready to attack Croc. This is the evidence that supports that Doffy can in fact penetrate Jozu's defenses with perhaps some offensive capabilities.

This is taking another route and we're just over-analysing the particular situation. I just want to support that Doflamingo can beat Jozu in a 1vs1 with high-extreme difficulty, since he has the means to do so. Overall they're in the same league pool in my eyes, even though there's the issue of powerscaling as well.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Then what does parasite rely on? Cause Doffy never tried using it on Luffy and Law. He only used it on Luffy when he was severely weak. Its not entirely brute strength but a weak G4 Luffy broke out but a fresh Jozu couldn't.

Pretty much without parasite, Doffy cant beat Jozu. Jozu is stronger but because of parasite, Doffy can restrain him.

This proves that he is stronger than jozu. You are highly underrating doffy and highly overestimating WB Pirates

 

[A v i]

Luffy in his, as you call, weakest state was superior to Jozu. Superior based on willpower that is. As I've said, parasite has to do with willpower. Doflamingo can NOT control people whos willpower and resolution are at peak. Some get controlled and others get stopped right on their tracks. Now to break free from parasite, you need brute strength and strong enough willpower. Jozu was unable to break free and the evidence is there. Sure, I might exaggerate the situation as you say but you are understating and minimizing it completely. Jozu was ready to attack, he had momentum. It's not like he was carelessly strolling through the battlefield. He got stopped completely and then could not do anything about it. Signs of struggle were shown since his veins were popping out at the time. And besides, why on earth would he not break free ? You seem to be ingoring the fact that they are in a middle of a war. Why would Jozu just sit there and get ridiculed ?

Busoshaku haki now is only one type of haki. Willpower is a whole package. Just because he was able to hit an Admiral doesn't mean much since he was fighting crocodile at the time. Parasite strings are attached to the victim's body and mainly to the base/nape of their neck. Jozu was on his way to attack Crocodile, a Logia. That means he had his haki coating on that you praise so much + his DF diamond armor coat thing. How did Doflamingo penetrate Jozu's defenses ? Simply. By inserting his parasite strings into him while he had both his coatings on and was ready to attack Croc. This is the evidence that supports that Doffy can in fact penetrate Jozu's defenses with perhaps some offensive capabilities.

This is taking another route and we're just over-analysing the particular situation. I just want to support that Doflamingo can beat Jozu in a 1vs1 with high-extreme difficulty, since he has the means to do so. Overall they're in the same league pool in my eyes, even though there's the issue of powerscaling as well.

I have already explained everything that needs to be explained and wasted more than enough of my time with this argument. I am not planning to waste anymore my time with this as you're obviously going to keep repeating same argument along with your assumptions which are completely baseless. At this point it is same as dragging the argument for the sake of keeping it alive which I find is nothing more than waste of time. So lets peacefully save our time.

 

[giostep]

Well the problem is that people use Admiral/ Yonko as power gauges.
A scale from 1-100 would be better at determining strength.
If roger is 100 what are all the other pirates?
We should all agree that most of the major characters in OP are in the 70th percentile and better.
Roger, WB, Garp (in prime) are 100%, Shanks, Shiki, Silvers, Kuzan, Akainu, Borsolino, Sengoku, Kaido, Big Mom, and Mihawk should be the 90th Percentile. The question is how close to the 90th percentile would you place Doffy? I want to say that he is in the 85th-89th percentile. Having a scoring system with only 5 or less classes makes it too uneven.

 

[U mAd]

Well the problem is that people use Admiral/ Yonko as power gauges.
A scale from 1-100 would be better at determining strength.
If roger is 100 what are all the other pirates?
We should all agree that most of the major characters in OP are in the 70th percentile and better.
Roger, WB, Garp (in prime) are 100%, Shanks, Shiki, Silvers, Kuzan, Akainu, Borsolino, Sengoku, Kaido, Big Mom, and Mihawk should be the 90th Percentile. The question is how close to the 90th percentile would you place Doffy? I want to say that he is in the 85th-89th percentile. Having a scoring system with only 5 or less classes makes it too uneven.

i think thats a better way to go about ths so i think that
1.roger 100
2.PRIMEWB/GARP 100
3.OLD WB/KAIDO 90
4.SHANKS/MEHAWK/BIGMOM 87
5.AKAINU-85
6-AOKIJI/KIZARU-83
so in my opinion doffy's a 75

this is just my opinion i think any admiral would mid diff doffy.and that's me stretching it.

 

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How does Doffy cut diamond? I doubt Doffy will have a better performance against Kuzan than Jozu.

Mihawk>Jozu but because of a special ability, like diamonds, Mihawk cant cut Jozu. Its very much like how Jozu>Doffy but because of a special ability like parasite, Jozu would be restrained. Its also like Usopp vs Trebol. Trebol is stronger but due to his skills, Usopp can beat him.

Jozu doesn't have the feat of turning his whole body into diamond (prob because it's parcima) cut the parts that are not diamond lol