Shouldn't be getting beaten by any less then mid-high+ diff. He was playing around with Jozu and therefor portrayed to be above him. Jozu was doing just fine against Kuzan. I'd say with Awakening, and no internal damage prior, Doffy has huge potential. Not sure where this "isn't scratching an admiral" is coming from, that's just plain overrating admirals.
[Discussion] Is dofflamingo an admiral level pirate?
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Vandenre1ch
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It seems I will be the only one to say yes.
Doflamingo did run from Kuzan, but I am pretty sure Kuzan is above ordinary admirals (where I would say Fujitora is). Doflamingo wasn't affraid of attacking Fujitora even while Fuji said that in the future he would like to destroy him together with Shichibukai.
Doflamingo did run from Kuzan, but I am pretty sure Kuzan is above ordinary admirals (where I would say Fujitora is). Doflamingo wasn't affraid of attacking Fujitora even while Fuji said that in the future he would like to destroy him together with Shichibukai.
Not scratching someone doesn't mean its not a mid diff or higher fight. You're contradicting yourself when you said Zoro vs Pica was a mid high diff fight. Zoro didn't have any injuries.
Already explained earlier how him walking away from Kuzan doesn't show anything.
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Well Doffy cant cut Jozu's diamond and Jozu has more brute strength and can tank Doffy's kicks.
Never contradicted myself. Sabo couldn't scratch Fujitora even when he wasn't serious. Zoro had scratches and needed assistance against Pica(I know Pica went after Riku but that's not the point).
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Jozu can use his haki on his diamond and Jozu is fast as well. Crocodile noted how fast he was. And I'm not counting Doffy's parasite as depends on willpower imo. Rayleigh>Doffy but if he had low willpower, Doffy can control him.
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He's close but not actually there...
Out of all Warlords, Mihawk is the only one seems to be on that level...
Out of all Warlords, Mihawk is the only one seems to be on that level...
Crocodile said he was fast for his size basically. I doubt he's faster and more agile than Doflamingo. Also, why count parasite out ? Doffy used it before on Jozu and it worked so it doesn't really rely that heavily on willpower. It's the one feat that Doffy has over Jozu. Besides, we don't even know how parasite works exactly.
And last but not least, the haki issue. This is the decider for this match-up IMO since it all comes down to who's haki is stronger. But didn't Doffy use parasite on Jozu again ? That basically means that he managed to get his strings through Jozu's defense since he caught him while he was about to hit Crocodile for a second time. That means that he had his haki and diamond coating on, so we can assume that Doffy's haki bypassed Jozu's at that specific moment.
All Joker did against Jozu was to block him when he wasn't even paying any kind of attention towards him but for some reason Joker becomes superior to Jozu just because he stopped an attack.
Aokiji wasn't even trying against Joker, where as he couldn't hurt Jozu when they were fighting head on.He needed a distraction to lang a solid hit on Jozu. The difference b/w Doffu and Jozu should be obvious form that.
Aokiji wasn't even trying against Joker, where as he couldn't hurt Jozu when they were fighting head on.He needed a distraction to lang a solid hit on Jozu. The difference b/w Doffu and Jozu should be obvious form that.
The fact that Jozu wasn't paying attention is actually against him. He is in a war, he HAS to pay attention. This isn't an arguement. Doflamingo was playing with him in a middle of a war, where at the same time his captain and nakama are in danger. Plus, he didn't just stop an attack, he immobilized his whole movements completely.
However, if you wanna use that arguement, I might as well say that the only hit Jozu managed to land on an admiral was due to the admiral not paying attention. The fight was also off-panel if I remember correctly, so we can't assume that they were fighting on equal grounds. Aokiji basically one shotted Jozu when he found the opening, and cost him is arm.
Plus, Aokiji might have effortlessly attacked Joker, but Joker wasn't even trying as well. In few words, neither were trying. Do you think that if Doflamingo was serious, Aokiji would have frozen him as easily ?
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Then what does parasite rely on? Cause Doffy never tried using it on Luffy and Law. He only used it on Luffy when he was severely weak. Its not entirely brute strength but a weak G4 Luffy broke out but a fresh Jozu couldn't.
Pretty much without parasite, Doffy cant beat Jozu. Jozu is stronger but because of parasite, Doffy can restrain him.
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He was looking for luffy and law what would fighting an admiral do for trying to find him... (Even tho he can't beat him)
Blackbeard ran away from akainu (when he retrieved Bonney) does that not make him yonko level
Doffy is only one aside from white beard to break out of akoji ice unscathed (pretty sure the top tiers could do it just haven't shown it)
Marco did not do serious or any damage to any admiral... And once caught off guard admirals stopped him pretty easily.. After everything doffy has shown on dress rosa u don't think he could have done what Marco did and then some (minus ranking kizaru light beam thing that I'd give to Marco op ass regeneration) all Marco did was kick kizaru and fight him for a bit (which I think doffy could do tho kizaru how his devil fruit is may b a problem but there r clouds everywhere in that war so ...) and then fail to keep akainu at bay from luffy with his partner vista b
Ps I don't think Marco (pretimeskip) is admiral level pts however idk
By that logic mihawk can't cut diamond cuz he hasn't shown to there for everyone who uses a sword in series should not be able to also how does Jozu get out of parasite when he wasn't shown to ??? (And that luffy shit was bullshit still wasn't explained) even so how does he hit doffy if doffy is in the air ???
He's called the sky demon for reason ....
Jozu can't hit doffy if he's in the sky nuff said
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The thing is that he needed to try to hold of Jozu where as he doesn't to do the same with Doffy. Aokiji couldn't do the same to Jozu when he was trying seriously to kill him and it seems like it was hard for Doffy to breath after breaking out of an attack which came from Aokiji when he wasn't trying.
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He was frozen solid no way to breath..? And it was cold where he was so yeah u would c his breath
The statement he had to pay attention isn't going to change anything here as it doesn't make him any weaker. You said for yourself that Aokiji was attacked by Jozu when he was distracted which means that even admirals are vulnerable to out side attacks despite being at the middle of a war. Jozu and Aokiji aren't only people to get attacked by outsiders during their battles. Does Aokiji getting wounded by Jozu when he wasn't paying attention make him weaker than Jozu? No. Then why would Jozu be weaker than Doflamingo?
Off panel or not. The fact that Jozu held his own against Aokiji and Aokiji failed to land an attack on him when they were fighting head on remains unchanged. Doffy was dead serious about killing Smoker and he needed to attack Smoker as quickly as possibly otherwise Aokiji would save him. He quickly tried to attack Smoker(as quickly as possible infact) who was just beneath Doffy and still failed as Aokiji reacted even faster so he can certainly do the same again if he wanted to.
I don't know what part of it looks like he was playing with Jozu. He merely immobilized him for a few seconds nothing else. And from the looks of it. Jozu didn't even displayed any signs of struggle to think that he actually tried to break free and failed. He was calm and was silently listening to their conversation so it can be implied that he didn't attempted to resist Doffy because he wanted to know what was going on b/w Doffy and Croc. If Luffy in his weakest state can break free from Jokers strings then I am fairly certain about someone who was portrayed to be as physically capable as Jozu being able to do the same.
The fact that he struggled remains same. Apparently Whitebeard didn't display that kind of signs when he was frozen by Aokiji which means that a strong indual can resist his power to an extent. Doffy failed to do so against a very basic attack so...
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