[Discussion] Is discrimination/bullying necessary to keep balance?

[Zenic]

If you think about it, discriminating & bullying keeps order and balance. Let me start by saying that by bullying I don't mean beating up a kid, taking lunch money or threats but the simple insult type of bullying.

In my country (Australia) I always see 'obese' girls in skin tight clothes and it's horrifying, yes it doesn't matter what you look like blah blah but if somebody would have insulted that obese girl (in a friendly way) she wouldn't be in the state she is right now.

My brother used to be chubby, I kept teasing him, called him fat, etc.. only because I wanted him to lose that extra 5-8 kg so he would be happier. And you know what he did after months of being bullied by me? He lost his weight.

Right now I don't know how to put it into words but you all know what I mean right?

 

[Chibiusa]

I dont understand what you mean by "keep balance". The example you gave is understandable tho

 

[Victorelder2k13]

What's up with you and life lessons lol

 

[Kαmi]

I kinda get what you're saying, it's like the little bit of bullying might give someone motivation to change themselves in a healthy way. Though I have to disagree because nothing can justify the discrimination of others IMO unless it is obviously mild. In that same scenario, people have killed themselves to escape bullying, feeling like it's their own way out. I guess bullying is somewhat okay if it's someone you know and you're cool with but bullying people you have no connection with is wrong, no matter how you put it. Bullying can have serious effects on one's mind, some people are really bad of taking criticism in any form

 

[SenseiMartian]

Order and balance? It just sounds like intolerance to me. And 5-8 kg is not that much weight, I have two brothers, and would not tease them to lose weight. (This being said, we were all pretty fit; I am American, and the middle brother.)

 

[-Raviel-]

If it only happens in the mild forms that you mentioned I supposed it's ok

 

[Zenic]

I kinda get what you're saying, it's like the little bit of bullying might give someone motivation to change themselves in a healthy way. Though I have to disagree because nothing can justify the discrimination of others IMO. In that same scenario, people have killed themselves to escape bullying, feeling like it's their own way out. I guess bullying is somewhat okay if it's someone you know and you're cool with but bullying people you have no connection with is wrong, no matter how you put it. Bullying can have serious effects on one's mind, some people are really bad of taking criticism in any form

Exactly what I mean!

It gives most people rage and motivation to change and help themselves. I never bully people I don't know though, who knows what their capable of. They might come after me

 

[foxyladyland]

is this about tobirama?

 

[Chibiusa]

But then again, teasing a fat kid for being fat won't make them skinny. Some ppl just can't lose weight even if they try

 

[Zenic]

But then again, teasing a fat kid for being fat won't make them skinny. Some ppl just can't lose weight even if they try

People can do anything they want if they have the right motivation & mind set. It's laziness that gets in the way. Do you watch biggest loser? This guy weighs 210kg and he lost it and became 70kg. That's 140kg!

 

[Kαmi]

Exactly what I mean!

It gives most people rage and motivation to change and help themselves. I never bully people I don't know though, who knows what their capable of. They might come after me

Yes, the bullying of people you don't know has too many possibilities, the outcome usually isn't good too! Glad we're on the same page

 

[Forest]

No offense bro, but your philosophy on life is kinda twisted. As you didn't have to bully your bro to make him lose weight. People who bully others usually have deep insecurities within them selves and that ain't a good thing either, so it creates more and actually does not balance anything In the end.

 

[Chibiusa]

People can do anything they want if they have the right motivation & mind set. It's laziness that gets in the way. Do you watch biggest loser? This guy weighs 210kg and he lost it and became 70kg. That's 140kg!

I'm from America so I don't understand the metric system but if I was to convert that to pounds, I'm assuming you mean he was super fat then became thin

 

[ShishaMastah420]

You don't seem to understand positive enforcement from belittlement......

 

[Uzumachia]

It could also give people the rage to go and kill someone. In my experience when I was obese, it only took the rejection of girls I liked to,get me in shape. I think telling someone the positives that come with weight loss or any other change that should be made provides waay better results than what you did. For all you know, your brother might use the same tactics on one of his friends and the results could be far more different. Just my opinion though. When people use your description of bullying for other reasons" like calling someone a nerd for liking science, or watching anime, if the kid reacts like your brother did, we could lose a potentially profound scientist, or the future writer of a great manga. Just my opinion.

 

[Chibiusa]

You don't seem to understand positive enforcement from belittlement......

What he believes in is actually negative reinforcement. He's doing it to get a good result but it could easily take away from their confidence.

 

[Ōkami]

Are you going to make a stereotype thread next? Because if so do tell me. that's going to be entertaining.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

What he believes in is actually negative reinforcement. He's doing it to get a good result but it could easily take away from their confidence.

My brother used to be chubby, I kept teasing him, called him fat, etc.. only because I wanted him to lose that extra 5-8 kg so he would be happier. And you know what he did after months of being bullied by me? He lost his weight.

Operant Conditioning is the term used by B.F. Skinner to describe the effects of the consequences of a particular behavior on the future occurrence of that behavior. There are four types of Operant Conditioning: Positive Reinforcement, Negative Reinforcement, Punishment, and Extinction. Both Positive and Negative Reinforcement strengthen behavior while both Punishment and Extinction weaken behavior.
In Negative Reinforcement a particular behavior is strengthened by the consequence of the stopping or avoiding of a negative condition.

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Here are two examples of Negative Reinforcement:
1. A rat is placed in a cage and immediately receives a mild electrical shock on its feet. The shock is a negative condition for the rat. The rat presses a bar and the shock stops. The rat receives another shock, presses the bar again, and again the shock stops. The rat's behavior of pressing the bar is strengthened by the consequence of the stopping of the shock.
2. Driving in heavy traffic is a negative condition for most of us. You leave home earlier than usual one morning, and don't run into heavy traffic. You leave home earlier again the next morning and again you avoid heavy traffic. Your behavior of leaving home earlier is strengthened by the consequence of the avoidance of heavy traffic.

The concept of Negative Reinforcement is difficult to teach and learn because of the word negative. Negative Reinforcement is often confused with Punishment. They are very different, however.
Negative Reinforcement strengthens a behavior because a negative condition is stopped or avoided as a consequence of the behavior.

Punishment, on the other hand, weakens a behavior because a negative condition is introduced or experienced as a consequence of the behavior.

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[TobitoUchiha]

Yeah I'm Aussie too and I know the horror of seeing those obese girls in skin tight clothes. I had to bleach my eyes several times.
I get what you mean. Your example of peer pressure was pretty good. I mean most people tend to crack under peer pressure but I personally think that's mentally unhealthy for them. They should be happy with themselves and not try to change themselves unless THEY really want to.

 

[Zenic]

I'm from America so I don't understand the metric system but if I was to convert that to pounds, I'm assuming you mean he was super fat then became thin

In pounds that would be 462 pounds and he lost 308 pounds

You don't seem to understand positive enforcement from belittlement......

Positive enforcement is indeed effective but what if the person is lazy?

It could also give people the rage to go and kill someone. In my experience when I was obese, it only took the rejection of girls I liked to,get me in shape. I think telling someone the positives that come with weight loss or any other change that should be made provides waay better results than what you did. For all you know, your brother might use the same tactics on one of his friends and the results could be far more different. Just my opinion though. When people use your description of bullying for other reasons" like calling someone a nerd for liking science, or watching anime, if the kid reacts like your brother did, we could lose a potentially profound scientist, or the future writer of a great manga. Just my opinion.

If they quit anime/science because someone called them a nerd would mean they care more about what others think. It differs greatly than what I'm trying to imply

What he believes in is actually negative reinforcement. He's doing it to get a good result but it could easily take away from their confidence.

It could but it's easier than going to high school and suffering through years and years of REAL bullying.

Are you going to make a stereotype thread next? Because if so do tell me. that's going to be entertaining.

I actually was

Just thinking on a polite way of writing it..

Yeah I'm Aussie too and I know the horror of seeing those obese girls in skin tight clothes. I had to bleach my eyes several times.
I get what you mean. Your example of peer pressure was pretty good. I mean most people tend to crack under peer pressure but I personally think that's mentally unhealthy for them. They should be happy with themselves and not try to change themselves unless THEY really want to.

It's mentally un-healthy for them, yes. But, you really think they're happy to be 150kg? I would rather a loss of confidence + shaving off 80kg of that 150 then a short term happiness and life