Is Afternoon Tiger really a gate move?

[Bogard]

Well, now that i think about it, Gai never stated that you need to open gates to use that move. During his last fight against Kisame, he only stated that it's a combat move

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And apart from that, he said that those who open the 7th gate have that aura

But we have seen Gai using AT against Madara, and there were no aura around him:

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I also noticed that when he used it gates open against Kisame, it seemed more powerful since Naruto, Yamato and others were far from the battlefield, but were still pushed back by the pressure

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When in the fight against Madara, Kakashi, Naruto or Obito were around but didn't seemed to even care if there was a pressure or not.

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It shows that the power was probably weaker, and the reason for this may be that it's because Gai didn't opened gates(he used that in base). Since gates increases the power and speed, it's maybe possible

That's why i think that like Gai said, AT is just a combat move Gai created, but it can be used even without gates. Gates only helps to increase his own power.

What do you think?

 

[fastrthnwind]

There was an aura around his hands. It's still a gate move.

 

[Unbiased King]

I think that to perform Hirudora, although it is taijutsu, requires chakra (as immense pressure is built into is hand, a phenomena that cannot be performed normally). So I would assume that by opening the gates, he wouldn't be drained dead of chakra as he is now.

 

[gas83091]

There was an aura around his hands. It's still a gate move.

^ this sums it up

 

[Bogard]

There was an aura around his hands. It's still a gate move.

Aura around his hand? What do you mean?

 

[Invsblphntm]

In one of your scans Yamato clearly says its a Gates move.

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[Boskarta]

There was likely no aura because he instantly put the gates off after using it.
He was practically dead anyway if he'd stayed in the 7th Gate he'd have probably died, remember up until using Hirudora again he has been fighting and getting injured whereas against Kisame he was using gates from pretty much 100%

Plus he probably had to hold back a bit so as to not obliterate Kakashi.

 

[Brooks]

Aura around his hand? What do you mean?

He meant the Aura around Gai's body when he uses the 7th Gates was still on his hands and that's why he able to use the Afternon Tiger without having the whole Aura around his body.

 

[Retsu]

In one of your scans Yamato clearly says its a Gates move.

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LOL @ the answer to the question being in the scan, thought I was the only one who saw that

 

[Bogard]

In one of your scans Yamato clearly says its a Gates move.

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Thanks, didn't noticed, but can you explain why it was weaker against Madara?

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

In the second to last screne you pulled out Yamato even says that Afternoon Tiger is a Celestrial Gate move. Also, he used it after Morning Peakock so it is only natural that it is a gate move. We were too far away to actually see him when he used it. Could be he dropped it immediately afterwards.

 

[Bogard]

There was likely no aura because he instantly put the gates off after using it.
He was practically dead anyway if he'd stayed in the 7th Gate he'd have probably died, remember up until using Hirudora again he has been fighting and getting injured whereas against Kisame he was using gates from pretty much 100%

Plus he probably had to hold back a bit so as to not obliterate Kakashi.

What you say here is possible. Thanks for your replay. Btw, your sig is awesome xd

 

[Retsu]

Gai was already messed up when he used it, remember when hachibi thought he was just talking tough?

 

[Varrah]

Thanks, didn't noticed, but can you explain why it was weaker against Madara?

The answer should be a given. Avoiding the technicality of it, Madara purposely received that blow from Gai in conjunction from him being in Susano'o as well, making it seemingly weaker (though I suppose Gai's state affected the attack as well).

 

[Bogard]

The answer should be a given. Avoiding the technicality of it, Madara purposely received that blow from Gai. Couple that with him being in Susano'o, and there's your answer.

What makes you believe Madara received that purposely? He seemed totally surprised by the attack. Also, i don't see where the fact Madara received it "purposely" like you say have to do with AT's power

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Gai opened gates to use that technique.

Its obvious that both he and Kakashi have further mastered their own techniques. Kakashi is now using Kamui past his previous limits as well.

 

[Varrah]

What makes you believe Madara received that purposely? He seemed totally surprised by the attack. Also, i don't see where the fact Madara received it "purposely" like you say have to do with AT's power

I thought my earlier

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cleared up this issue. Though weak, Madara used that reason as an excuse to test out the Jūbi's powers on both Jinchūriki's , leading Obito to the conclusion of him being purposely attack by Gai as a means to exercise the former. In the two chapters preceding 610, it is not stated. However, in 610 Obito realizes that Madara allowed their current situation to develop because of the previous instances, to which; Obito calls him a child.

 

[Chatte]

It is a gate move, before that first page you showed it, Neji if I am correct recognized it as a gate opening.

 

[Bogard]

I thought my earlier

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cleared up this issue. Though weak, Madara used that reason as an excuse to test out the Jūbi's powers on both Jinchūriki's , leading Obito to the conclusion of him being purposely attack by Gai as a means to exercise the former. In the two chapters preceding 610, it is not stated. However, in 610 Obito realizes that Madara allowed their current situation to develop because of this to, Obito calls him a child.

Well, Obito never ended his sentence, so what you say is only an interpretation of what he could say. What makes you even believe that what Madara said has something to do with the AT he received? The fact he said that "they are not bad as they look" doesn't mean that he received AT purposely, especially when he talked about capturing Bijuus before. Gai is not a Bijuu. So i don't think he was refering to Gai. We are talking about 2 different things here

 

[Varrah]

Well, Obito never ended his sentence, so what you say is only an interpretation of what he could say. What makes you even believe that what Madara said has something to do with the AT he received? The fact he said that "they are not bad as they look" doesn't mean that he received AT purposely, especially when he talked about capturing Bijuus before. Gai is not a Bijuu. So i don't think he was refering to Gai. We are talking about 2 different things here

That is it Obito's sentence. Madara used Gai's attack as an excuse to set-up his reason for using the Jūbi’s power on the two Jinchūriki's. I'm only saying what was translated in the manga, and answering your question to why Gai's attack was not that completely effective on Madara. Madara while in Susano'o allowed himself to be attack by Gai, for what reason, well as he's basis to exercise the Jūbi’s power on the opposition.

Simply put, Madara was looking for a reason to use the Jūbi’s power, and Naruto n company offered that reason—which Obito finally understood towards the end of chapter.