Is abortion murder?

[Punk Hazard]

You do realize a consciousness is not needed to be considered alive?

 

[The Necromancer]

You do realize a consciousness is not needed to be considered alive?

If something has no consciousness, why should we care if it dies? It doesn't. Might as well ask my table if it minds getting thrown away.

Every living thing on the planet has a consciousness.

 

[Filosoofis]

I'm not sure at 1 hand I am against it when you have those whores that do many abortions but if it gives a health problem to the pregnant woman or if it is rape than it should be aborted. It is a hard question I hope I won't ever need to decide over someone's life like that because many times someone is "aborted" at a later phase it can still be alive outside the woman stomach. That is just sad.

 

[-immortal-]

No its only the right thing to do.

The right things aren't awlays nice things.

Better then give that kid a shitty life and making yours even worse

 

[Punk Hazard]

If something has no consciousness, why should we care if it dies? It doesn't. Might as well ask my table if it minds getting thrown away.

Every living thing on the planet has a consciousness.

So if I knocked a guy unconscious and killed him, should I get charged for assault and battery only?

If I walk into a coma ward and stab 7 patients in the throat, should I get off scot free?

Being conscious=/=being alive.

 

[The Necromancer]

So if I knocked a guy unconscious and killed him, should I get charged for assault and battery only?

If I walk into a coma ward and stab 7 patients in the throat, should I get off scot free?

Being conscious=/=being alive.

You are greatly confusing the definitions of consciousness, and "being conscious."

I still have a consciousness while I'm asleep, bro.

 

[Joon]

Depends on what the mother thinks.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You are greatly confusing the definitions of consciousness, and "being conscious."

I still have a consciousness while I'm asleep, bro.

Full Definition of CONSCIOUSNESS

1
a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
b : the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact
c : awareness; especially : concern for some social or political cause

consciousness
noun con·scious·ness \-nəs\
: the condition of being conscious : the normal state of being awake and able to understand what is happening around you

So, someone who is unconscious therefore can't really "be killed" by the logic many are presenting here. By the logic of this thread, you're only alive as long as you are aware of it. Meaning, anyone who is unconscious, or plants and fungi, aren't really living things and biology is a lie.

 

[Bimbonium]

It's a tough question, I'd say no abortion isn't murder, the fetus isn't a human (yet).
Here's my line of thought, if a baby's birth would cause the mother's death, would it be murder to abort? If the fetus is a human aborting would mean killing one person for another. So I'll stick with fetuses are not yet human.
If it's a right or wrong question, I believe abortion is majorly wrong

 

[Adam Driver]

I don't consider it by definition murder however I still consider it wrong because it is stopping the progression of creating a life/baby.
In my opinion if the parent can't handle the hardship and responsibility of a child, there's always a loving foster family for the child that can't have a child of their own.

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

Yes the fetus can feel pain and yes this question is morally crippling but I firmly stand pro-choice....I'd rather that now babies get killed but I won't tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body....and trust me at that stage of life it is still her body

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

You can't kill something that has no mind in the first place :|

 

[FreakensteinAG]

The zygote, blastula, embryo are living, but they aren't conscious nor human yet. This following sentence shouldn't shift anyone's focus, I just want to make the comparison that, were you to place a human embryo alongside a mouse, fish, and rabbit embryo, you'd have a hard time figuring out which one was the human embryo, due to all four having pharyngeal gill slits, the same grooves and ridges, etc. In fact, I'm pretty darned sure all mammals, reptiles, and amphibians would have this same configuration. Again, this shouldn't shift anyone's focus.

Fetus, sure, consider the fetus a human. It's got all the qualifications for one, it's just really small. It's sentient and conscious (kinda creepy when you have this kind of symbiote in your body), so by everyone's preferences for what's human and what isn't, we should leave the fetus alone when it gets to that point.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I hate these type of threads. It's a cancer on all forums, next to "Does God exist"... Its time for me to retire from forums I think.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You can't kill something that has no mind in the first place :|

You, sir, don't know what being alive means. Living=/=being conscious.

 

[00Rinne]

Downfall of humanity, Killing babies because it doesn't fit your lifestyle or it's not what you expected. People who murder babies should be put in a dungeon an left to rot until death pays them an uncomfortable visit.

Women of today are being destroyed and they feel good about it to a degree, that's very disturbing. No-thing about abortion help women at all except for the fact that you can get laid again faster to perhaps murder another life.

If there are any real women here in the base. Please think about what you are doing before you let some fool tell you it's ok to murder your child. I mean that in all seriousness.

Bless!

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Downfall of humanity, Killing babies because it doesn't fit your lifestyle or it's not what you expected. People who murder babies should be put in a dungeon an left to rot until death pays them an uncomfortable visit.

Women of today are being destroyed and they feel good about it to a degree, that's very disturbing. No-thing about abortion help women at all except for the fact that you can get laid again faster to perhaps murder another life.

If there are any real women here in the base. Please think about what you are doing before you let some fool tell you it's ok to murder your child. I mean that in all seriousness.

Bless!

Uhm, there are several legitimate reasons to perform an abortion, this is not as black and white as you make it out to be.

 

[Karna]

idk, I'd say it's wrong, and I still stand by people first learning to practice self control and being responsible with ***, we need to get rid of the cause instead of coming up with ways to deal with the outcome. That being said; in some cases either the baby is crippled or women didn't want it rape or something, here it's still wrong but the women should get to decide whether to keep it or not; the lesser evil.

As for aborting cause the child will have a crappy life, You don't know what's bearable and what's unbearable, You don't get to make that decision, as there are many people who are disabled yet achieves more then able bodied, and live a better life. Plus we all have different threshold for endurance.

 

[Dreamland]

Bingo. That's why I'm "old fashioned" & willing to wait.

But a family fried had a son she knew would be disabled but she carried through. They said he'd die young but she looked after him. He had seizures every 30 seconds to 6 hours, breathed and ate primarily through a tube and never recognized her as her son but she carried through. I saw him for the first time when he was 5 & I was 12. He died 10 years old, 8 days before Christmas. She was sad but she knew she did the right thing carrying through. In someone else's case I can try to understand their reasoning if he/she would be injured but I still see it as wrong. Rape children can be hard--I've known one--but I wouldn't end a child's life because of actions that weren't theirs. Hell I'd adopt if the mother couldn't bear raising the child but it's still a life of beauty regardless of how it starts. But once again, I can try to understand.

And although I am a Christian I agree we should leave religion out of it to prevent a flame war--I doubt it will stay a civilised discussion for long.

True it's a risky decision.

 

[Yubel]

No its only the right thing to do.

The right things aren't awlays nice things.

Better then give that kid a shitty life and making yours even worse

I'm not surprised you think you can see the future when you're already playing God.