Iran's Nuclear Weapon

['Kurapika]

Imagine if Iran invaded both Canada and Mexico, filled the Mexican bay with warships, kept butting into American affairs and trying to cause civil war, and declared that America should be prevented from having nuclear powers. What would you think of Iran? Wouldn't it be a good plan for America to develop nuclear weapons as a backup plan, to force Iran to think twice before attacking?
Most Americans fail to see the Irani perspective on the matter. The US has Iran surrounded from north and south (Iraq and Afghanistan), and supports religious groups withing Iran that meet the American definition of terrorists, tries to revoke revolution, assassinates its scientists.

On topic, if Iran successfully tests nuclear weapons, the media will be hush hush about it the same way they were with North Korea. The US won't take major action though, perhaps some bombing, no large scale opperation. Because they've already created two very unstable and chaotic areas in Afghanistan and Iraq, it would be a very idiotic move on the US's end to open up these two warzones on each other by connecting through Iran, that will just create enormous one piece land that can't be controlled, thus giving all resistance groups, or rather terrorist groups, an advantage against the US.

 

[Yerrina]

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Amigos, Iran has the weapon, but they will not use it. It'll be there just for threatening purposes. They cannot use it, on who ? Israel ? And blow up the Muslims too and Masjed Al Aqsa and earn the hatred of the Arab Islamic world which is probably earned already ?


Nah, it's not as easy as it seems (Make, Test and BLOW).

Even if successfully tested and all, the countries mentioned have no right to bitch about it. I didn't really look much into it, but Iran's Nuclear programme to me is just a topic to talk about in MUN. Iran's influence on Iraq and Iraqis is a more worthy topic.

My views, are of course, subject to change.

 

[Tosen]

It's all apart of the plan

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[Uzamki Seerar]

LOL north kai seriously 9/11 worst day of america when america did it themselves if you don't believe please tell me why the hell did buildings around the tower drop down stragith down well if u show a person that works with buildings and demolition well they will tell you it was demolition als america did 1000 9/11 slaugthed iraqis u forgot about that now the children are deformed from chemicals of the shells oh don't worry the american dream you know you gotta be asleep to dream right well wake up

 

[Uzamki Seerar]

The biggest Hoax in the world is......The war on terror

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

we can all work together? you think that is possible, there are still too many cultural and religious difficulties for the world to work completely together, I agree its idiotic that we let things divide us but thats how it is.

you never said it was easy no. but you do make it sound easy, do you think noone ever tried world harmony before? ppl far more powerful than you (I assume) tried and failed.

are you really comparing Naruto with the real world? realistically we can all do the things we try?! determination and commitment? I guarantee you with 99.9% certainty that the son of a US president will have better chances in life than most of us, that a sub saharan will be less likely to have a strong voice than a son of a manhattan, london or hong kong billionaire, there are such huge differences in the world that what you say isnt possible. if my country wants something within its power done I can gurantee you that you can have all the determination you possibly can and stand on your head but you still wont change anything. its not how it should be but realistically thats how it is.

great effort can result in great results for the person but there are very few that can (even with great effort) truly affect the whole world

I agree with you to an degree. Your message is completely filled with despair. You see I believe in God, and so you may not understand if you don't have faith in God the same way as I. I believe that anything can happen if God allows anything to happen. I believe he can change the impossible into possible even for a helpless, poor sub saharan kid. Even a dull, lifeless, ugly-looking caterpillar can eventually become a bright, beautiful butterfly that is given the ability to fly to the skies by God's will. Don't think I've ignored everything you've said. And you are right, there is far too much groups and societies formed in our world today. But maybe the only way there will be true peace will be when one society from the many that exist takes over the world and brings eternally love and tranquility. May God help us to be among such a righteous society and show us the way of truthfulness and justice.

 

[Uzamki Seerar]

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[-Ibrahim-]

Keep believing that bullshit North Kai idc.

 

[Shinobi Train]

North Kai you do know that the U.S. is the most corrupt country in the world? You may think you know alot just remember how much evil shit there keeping from you behind closed doors. Don't be so proud of a country like that. They do the most evil shit but no one ever finds out.

That's not really as true as most people believe it to be. You must remember that people with families run the government, so to some extent, there's a lot more control in it than is realized. All governments are corrupt, it's just that some are more than others, and the US isn't as bad as some of those.

LOL north kai seriously 9/11 worst day of america when america did it themselves if you don't believe please tell me why the hell did buildings around the tower drop down stragith down well if u show a person that works with buildings and demolition well they will tell you it was demolition als america did 1000 9/11 slaugthed iraqis u forgot about that now the children are deformed from chemicals of the shells oh don't worry the american dream you know you gotta be asleep to dream right well wake up

...Because it was designed to do that?

 

[Temporary Account]

This is an answer to the direct question of this thread and note that this thread is not responding to the other debates occurring. This is a very complex issue not only does this question and thesis regard moral and ethical context but a scientific level as well. This is all dependent on the President of the U.S., for example. An candidate such as Rick Santorium would declare war instantly. Not only was his plan from the start of the election but as well as his future goal directly involved an invasion of Iran. Let's take matters to present and more factual responses due to the fact that Santorium has been suspended. Now realistically Obama will have seized the presidential nomination. He will not be having a basis of war. Not only would this go against his presidential promises, but just the moral subsides of the democratic party as a whole. On the other hand Mitt Romney would declare war as would most republicans. The fact of the matter is the actual nuclear device itself. This articulates the science part of my thesis, the actual power of the weapon will be deeply analyzed and in this will prove the actual correct approach towards the issue. Now on a moral and ethical standpoint of basis, even if in fact the weapon is not very significant the ethical and morality as well as the symbolization will occur. In this way it will represent a threat to the nation and once again will have an impact on the actual citizens leaving within the country their reactions are key in the process. If in fact this issue is perceived by many as an actual threat the media and the people will lead the action from a moral and ethical standpoint of people in danger. This in my opinion will be the fall of any higher up. Be it president or king.

*Note that I am 13 and may not be the most politically correct person. Great post enjoyed it.

 

[-Ibrahim-]

Yea, there "families" are living the rich life by robbing the poor.

 

[AngryRock]

I do not think there would be war right away or shortly after that but an islamic nation that has threatened Israel and the USA multiple times recently. I think we should be cautious.

 

[AngryRock]

Truman had an easy decision to make, he merely chose to save AMERICAN lives and to sacrifice thousands of Japanese civilians because he wanted to demonstrate the might of the U.S.A.
And Japanese soldiers did indeed fight till the end, just as the Americans prides themselves on doing. We're talking about a nation whose country was about to be invaded and destroyed by a foreign nation; I'd fight to the death, that's for sure.
The Americans weren't exactly lenient, so I'd call the Japanese suspicions rational.

Ah, so you agree that America would've screwed you over if they sensed the 'stench' of Communism on you? yet you defend their just and righteous deeds? How droll.

And I'm pretty sure they're about the same, if you view the population as a whole. Furthermore; a dictatorship is not Communism, you dimwit.

The nukes saved tons of Japanese and American lives. Japan was on par or above Nazi Germany in cruelty. Ever heard of the nanking massacare, forced prostitutes, mass raping, etc...? The safest and best way to stop Japan was not invading, it was nuking. Even after the first nuke they were pretty much like " Bring it on." The people of Japan were taught that if the USA invaded everyone would fight. Which is why the estimation of deaths if they were invaded by the USA were in the millions.

 

[AngryRock]

North Kai you do know that the U.S. is the most corrupt country in the world? You may think you know alot just remember how much evil shit there keeping from you behind closed doors. Don't be so proud of a country like that. They do the most evil shit but no one ever finds out.

Do you know how much evil is kept behind closed doors? If so then tell me what they are not releasing. If they did not release it or was not leaked then you could not know about it anyways.

 

[AngryRock]

If america had the decency to mind their business than the Soviets would own Europe, Europe would never recover from the 2 ww, the world economy would be in the toilet and if youre not from north america there is a pretty good chance you wouldnt have the right to vote. Many ppl dont like america interfering, neither do I but if its neccessary for me to live as I do ill accept it

Yes! About time someone realizes that. Without the US help europe would have been rubble for many years after WW2 and would probably still be recovering to this day if we did not help rebuild the countries. Some of the countries have not paid off their debts for the US rebuilding them.

 

['Kurapika]

The nukes saved tons of Japanese and American lives. Japan was on par or above Nazi Germany in cruelty. Ever heard of the nanking massacare, forced prostitutes, mass raping, etc...? The safest and best way to stop Japan was not invading, it was nuking. Even after the first nuke they were pretty much like " Bring it on." The people of Japan were taught that if the USA invaded everyone would fight. Which is why the estimation of deaths if they were invaded by the USA were in the millions.

I never thought America was so kindhearted, in fact, I never thought humans can reach this level of kindness... That must be it! America has been run by angels sent from God himself ever since its independence!

 

[ZK]

The nukes saved tons of Japanese and American lives. Japan was on par or above Nazi Germany in cruelty. Ever heard of the nanking massacare, forced prostitutes, mass raping, etc...? The safest and best way to stop Japan was not invading, it was nuking. Even after the first nuke they were pretty much like " Bring it on." The people of Japan were taught that if the USA invaded everyone would fight. Which is why the estimation of deaths if they were invaded by the USA were in the millions.

Oh, sorry, because the American government hasn't used massive amounts of Agent Orange, Napalm, etcetera, well aware that thousands of civilians would die, to lure out Vietnamese troops and mercilessly kill them.
Nor does American agents use torture as a mean of extracting information from their captives.
Nor has American soldiers used WP Shake 'n Bake against insurrectionists in Fallujah.

The American government has never stopped at anything in war. They've killed hundreds of thousands of civilians to save a few of their own.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't contain the Army HQ or the Emperors residence. The two cities had no targets of real value except a massive amount of civilians. The Americans could've carpet-bombed key-targets. Hell, they could've carpet-bombed the two towns and killed less people, but they didn't.

However nationalistic the Japanese and Germans were, none of them could hold a candle to the USA of the present. Since the September eleven attack enlistment has gone up drastically and 'patriotism' has seen a distinct rise.
If America was attacked its citizens would butcher everything and everyone of the offenders.
Don't talk to me about saving lives in the long term. By your logic, enemies of the USA should sent nuclear warheads to cities like Detroit and Los Angeles, killing as many civilians as possible while avoiding targets of real value, merely to save lives in the long run and break the people's spirit.

 

[-Ibrahim-]

The nukes saved tons of Japanese and American lives. Japan was on par or above Nazi Germany in cruelty. Ever heard of the nanking massacare, forced prostitutes, mass raping, etc...? The safest and best way to stop Japan was not invading, it was nuking. Even after the first nuke they were pretty much like " Bring it on." The people of Japan were taught that if the USA invaded everyone would fight. Which is why the estimation of deaths if they were invaded by the USA were in the millions.

Save people by killing them? Nice logic kid your an idiot.

 

[North Kai]

Save people by killing them? Nice logic kid your an idiot.

Well if they wouldnt use them they would have bad to push the invasion all the way to Tokyo just like with Berlin, and japanese culture is one who doesnt give up, many germans surrendered against hitlers will, Im sure cases like that would have been rarer in Japan, on the islands when the Japanese knew they lost they made sure they took as many lives as possible in the name Of the great emperor and if he wanted he could have mobillized half the country

Would an all out invasion against Japan be less cruel on the civillians than the bombs, perhaps Yes but Most would say no

Im not justifying the usage Of the bombs because noone can do so, same as noone could have justifyed the civillian casualties during an invasion and same as nothing will ever justify the events Of the second world war

What I am trying to Show You is that It wasnt Easy to make the choice truman made, many wouldnt be able to decide

And Im trying to Show that the usage Of the
Bombs wasnt out Of desire for destruction Of the Japanese people

Imagine yourself being a commander Of an Army that fought 4 years against the worse evil mankind has ever seen, torture, slaughture ... And after the disasterous invasion Of Germany You were facing the prospect Of another invasion on a similar scale. What would You do?

I Dont know about You but I can guarantee than many if
Not Most would be in favour Of the bomb in that situation.

Dont be so eager to Judge because noone before and since that decision has ever been in a similar position and I hope noone is ever put in one like It ever again

Sorry ... iPhone

 

[AngryRock]

Save people by killing them? Nice logic kid your an idiot.

I take it you do not get it. You saved more lives by ending the war. Of course people would die, especially since it si a war. I am meaning that since more lives would have been lost if there were no nukes peoples lives were in fact saved.