Iran's Nuclear Weapon

[Ashflura]

Shisui got what I wanted to say wrapped up in his post.
It just reminded me though of the concept that my teacher illustrated. That we're living in a constant cold war, where all these countries have nuclear weapons, have these weapons targeted on the enemy constantly in case one is released in preperation...

 

[-Ibrahim-]

Iran hasn't made nukes guys, the media is hyping it up so they can go to another war.

Don't forget Iraq guys, they said they have WMD's & found nothing. Same thing here.

Iran's nuke are not powerful at all. Don't fall for another excuse for war.

 

[North Kai]

Maan, so is it safe to assume that most people know that it's the west that's causing all of this shit!? :sy: 'Cause believe it or not, I'm getting sick nd tired of this shit. U_U All I want is our world to be a peaceful place like some people would. But then there's radical mother****ers that wonna stir up crap nd 'cause a load of trouble between some peaceful nd harmonious folks by calling them terrorists. :shrug: Believe me I been researching different religions and I can confidently say that the most peaceful religions imo are: Islam, Buddhism and some Eastern religions.

Secondly, I don't even see why there should be a huge fuss bout Iran having a nuclear weapon. I mean other countries have it like the US, China, Israel and some countries in Europe? Why do they have it? Maybe for defencive purposes. What if Iran has it for the same purpose? If Iran wants to use it in a illegitimate and dangerous way, how do we know if the other countries with the nuclear weapons have the same intention?

Its not just the west causing this shit. Islamic fundamentalists are an enormous problem, China (the second largest economy) is basically a dictatorship and relationships with it are tense, North Korea is a complete mess and they still dont want to end the Korean war with the south and the US, Iran wants nuclear weapons, the whole middle east is largely still in the same conflict than 20 years ago, the war on drugs isnt going well, ...

we are all sick and tired of it but it cant be helped, if we want to live how we do atm this is how it has to be

yes ofc you want world peace. do you think we dont?! you think its that easy? go and create world peace, come up with a solution and dont complain without knowing what most of it is about.

So Islamic fundamentalism with suicide bombers are peaceful? Whole generations are thought to kill in the name of Islam and it is the highest honour for them. I know Islam is peaceful in general but every religion has radicalists because of the indoctrination. If you dont know the difference between a muslim with a bomb strapped to his chest and a peace loving true muslim than you havent done your reaserch as well as you think.

There should be a fuss about Iran having a nuke because their regime is much more unstable than China or Russia and certainly a lot less stable than the EU nuclear powers and the US and they might not be afraid to sell to the highest bidder. Europe, USA, China, India, Russia, ... have it as an aftermath of the 2nd ww and the cold war. And they do have the moral restraint to use it which some in the middle east dont have, especially when it comes to the west. So yes the west is very worried about an Iranian nuke. We know that the other countries wont use it because they have had it for decades and havent used it and are themselves worried about nukes in other countries.

If Iran shouldn't be allowed Nuclear power, than all Current Nuclear Power Holders should be stripped as well. America was the First to Use Actual Nuclear weapons on People .. not once but twice .. So they don't have the right to stop others from acquiring Nuclear power. Since not all people use it for destruction. It can be used as alternate energy source as well.

Nuclear weapons aren't tested on countries .. it can be done in Mountain ranges as Pakistan did.

If someone in the world decided to Play "Daddy" ... well I can tell them to "Shut the Fuck up " and Mind their Own business.

Until Iran gives America the threat of using Nuclear Bombs for Evil, I don't think America has the right to stop them. Since America is one of Nuclear powers too. That would mean America wants all the power of itself >.> ( Monopoly ) .

Yes I agree all nukes should be destroyed but thats not as easy as you make it sound.

America used the nukes on Japan because at the time Japan could mobilize up to 30M ppl to die for the emperor even knowing they have already lost. The US was also worried about USSR communism, after Europe Stalin has agreed to help with Japan, how do you think a north and a south Japan would work? remember Korea and Vietnam? Also Truman wanted Stalin to know he had the bomb, the possibility of a nuclear retaliation might have been the only reason they didnt start a 3rd ww in the cold war. And US isnt the only one who is afraid of an Iranian nuke.

The US is the ''daddy'' and will be for some time and you might think thats not good but actually it is, imagine a regime like China being the only super power in the last 25 years? how do you think the world would look today? The US might not be perfect but they do have world peace in mind, maybe you dont see that but its true all the same. America doesnt have all the power for itself, EU, China, India, Russia, ... all hev nuclear capabilities and can restrain the US should something go wrong there but even nuclear threads might not stop some ppl in Iran should it come to a crisis.

Iran hasn't made nukes guys, the media is hyping it up so they can go to another war.

Don't forget Iraq guys, they said they have WMD's & found nothing. Same thing here.

Iran's nuke are not powerful at all. Don't fall for another excuse for war.

Noone said they have nukes, but they DO have a nuclear programme, no media is saying they have a nuke, what they report is in its essence correct

 

[Kagutsuchi]

Its not just the west causing this shit. Islamic fundamentalists are an enormous problem, China (the second largest economy) is basically a dictatorship and relationships with it are tense, North Korea is a complete mess and they still dont want to end the Korean war with the south and the US, Iran wants nuclear weapons, the whole middle east is largely still in the same conflict than 20 years ago, the war on drugs isnt going well, ...

we are all sick and tired of it but it cant be helped, if we want to live how we do atm this is how it has to be

yes ofc you want world peace. do you think we dont?! you think its that easy? go and create world peace, come up with a solution and dont complain without knowing what most of it is about.

So Islamic fundamentalism with suicide bombers are peaceful? Whole generations are thought to kill in the name of Islam and it is the highest honour for them. I know Islam is peaceful in general but every religion has radicalists because of the indoctrination. If you dont know the difference between a muslim with a bomb strapped to his chest and a peace loving true muslim than you havent done your reaserch as well as you think.

There should be a fuss about Iran having a nuke because their regime is much more unstable than China or Russia and certainly a lot less stable than the EU nuclear powers and the US and they might not be afraid to sell to the highest bidder. Europe, USA, China, India, Russia, ... have it as an aftermath of the 2nd ww and the cold war. And they do have the moral restraint to use it which some in the middle east dont have, especially when it comes to the west. So yes the west is very worried about an Iranian nuke. We know that the other countries wont use it because they have had it for decades and havent used it and are themselves worried about nukes in other countries.




Yes I agree all nukes should be destroyed but thats not as easy as you make it sound.

America used the nukes on Japan because at the time Japan could mobilize up to 30M ppl to die for the emperor even knowing they have already lost. The US was also worried about USSR communism, after Europe Stalin has agreed to help with Japan, how do you think a north and a south Japan would work? remember Korea and Vietnam? Also Truman wanted Stalin to know he had the bomb, the possibility of a nuclear retaliation might have been the only reason they didnt start a 3rd ww in the cold war. And US isnt the only one who is afraid of an Iranian nuke.

The US is the ''daddy'' and will be for some time and you might think thats not good but actually it is, imagine a regime like China being the only super power in the last 25 years? how do you think the world would look today? The US might not be perfect but they do have world peace in mind, maybe you dont see that but its true all the same. America doesnt have all the power for itself, EU, China, India, Russia, ... all hev nuclear capabilities and can restrain the US should something go wrong there but even nuclear threads might not stop some ppl in Iran should it come to a crisis.



Noone said they have nukes, but they DO have a nuclear programme, no media is saying they have a nuke, what they report is in its essence correct

Problem is in your thinking, No One gave US right to be "daddy" , So They should Mind their Own business and the way you are justifying Nuking Japan ... PATHETIC.

I am in Favor of Iran having Nuclear Bombs Unless All Nukes are Destroyed and everyone comes on equal terms .. until that Happens .. US should keep his Hands to itself.

 

[North Kai]

Problem is in your thinking, No One gave US right to be "daddy" , So They should Mind their Own business and the way you are justifying Nuking Japan ... PATHETIC.

I am in Favor of Iran having Nuclear Bombs Unless All Nukes are Destroyed and everyone comes on equal terms .. until that Happens .. US should keep his Hands to itself.

im not justifying the use of the bomb I told you under what circumstances they used it and perhaps you shouldnt be so quick to judge without knowing whats at stake

I know noone gave the us the right to be daddy, but would you rather it was Iran or Islamic fundamentalists? they wont be afraid to blow up half of Europe and the US if they can

anyone who thinks Iran should have nuclear weapons imo doesnt understand the possible aftermath of that

where are you from?

PS: and you not having a bette argument against my last post is pathetic

 

[Pesh]

Its not just the west causing this shit. Islamic fundamentalists are an enormous problem, China (the second largest economy) is basically a dictatorship and relationships with it are tense, North Korea is a complete mess and they still dont want to end the Korean war with the south and the US, Iran wants nuclear weapons, the whole middle east is largely still in the same conflict than 20 years ago, the war on drugs isnt going well, ...

we are all sick and tired of it but it cant be helped, if we want to live how we do atm this is how it has to be

yes ofc you want world peace. do you think we dont?! you think its that easy? go and create world peace, come up with a solution and dont complain without knowing what most of it is about.

So Islamic fundamentalism with suicide bombers are peaceful? Whole generations are thought to kill in the name of Islam and it is the highest honour for them. I know Islam is peaceful in general but every religion has radicalists because of the indoctrination. If you dont know the difference between a muslim with a bomb strapped to his chest and a peace loving true muslim than you havent done your reaserch as well as you think.

There should be a fuss about Iran having a nuke because their regime is much more unstable than China or Russia and certainly a lot less stable than the EU nuclear powers and the US and they might not be afraid to sell to the highest bidder. Europe, USA, China, India, Russia, ... have it as an aftermath of the 2nd ww and the cold war. And they do have the moral restraint to use it which some in the middle east dont have, especially when it comes to the west. So yes the west is very worried about an Iranian nuke. We know that the other countries wont use it because they have had it for decades and havent used it and are themselves worried about nukes in other countries.




Yes I agree all nukes should be destroyed but thats not as easy as you make it sound.

America used the nukes on Japan because at the time Japan could mobilize up to 30M ppl to die for the emperor even knowing they have already lost. The US was also worried about USSR communism, after Europe Stalin has agreed to help with Japan, how do you think a north and a south Japan would work? remember Korea and Vietnam? Also Truman wanted Stalin to know he had the bomb, the possibility of a nuclear retaliation might have been the only reason they didnt start a 3rd ww in the cold war. And US isnt the only one who is afraid of an Iranian nuke.

The US is the ''daddy'' and will be for some time and you might think thats not good but actually it is, imagine a regime like China being the only super power in the last 25 years? how do you think the world would look today? The US might not be perfect but they do have world peace in mind, maybe you dont see that but its true all the same. America doesnt have all the power for itself, EU, China, India, Russia, ... all hev nuclear capabilities and can restrain the US should something go wrong there but even nuclear threads might not stop some ppl in Iran should it come to a crisis.



Noone said they have nukes, but they DO have a nuclear programme, no media is saying they have a nuke, what they report is in its essence correct

You couldn't be more biased. It was the US who created most of those problems. Muslim fundamentalists and radicals didn't start bombing because of religious reasons, it all started because someone chose to split their countries, or attack their countries, kill their civilians, etc.

 

[ZK]

America used the nukes on Japan because at the time Japan could mobilize up to 30M ppl to die for the emperor even knowing they have already lost. The US was also worried about USSR communism, after Europe Stalin has agreed to help with Japan, how do you think a north and a south Japan would work? remember Korea and Vietnam? Also Truman wanted Stalin to know he had the bomb, the possibility of a nuclear retaliation might have been the only reason they didnt start a 3rd ww in the cold war. And US isnt the only one who is afraid of an Iranian nuke.

The US is the ''daddy'' and will be for some time and you might think thats not good but actually it is, imagine a regime like China being the only super power in the last 25 years? how do you think the world would look today? The US might not be perfect but they do have world peace in mind, maybe you dont see that but its true all the same. America doesnt have all the power for itself, EU, China, India, Russia, ... all hev nuclear capabilities and can restrain the US should something go wrong there but even nuclear threads might not stop some ppl in Iran should it come to a crisis.

Dude, what?
The Empire of Japan was collapsing when the United States threw the bombs, not mobilizing. To justify the deaths of a hundred thousand civilians because the Japanese 'might' have troops in reserve is nothing short of disgusting. Especially considering how the U.S.A handled the Second Golf War. Need I remind you that it was the huge flaws in the U.S intelligence that lead to that war?
Thirty million people... The Japanese didn't have a 'last solution' to arm their civilians like Hitler did. You're shooting blanks here.

And don't you even dare mention the so-called war on 'Communism'. Millions upon millions died because the United States saw the potential danger of an ideology and decided to exterminate it. What the 'Land of Freedom' did to Vietnam and Korea was terrible and they have yet to send proper support to the crippled nations, just as they have Iraq.

Your bolded part makes me gag. That you consider the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocents a simple demonstration makes me wonder how you can ever justify your belief that capital punishment is morally wrong.

The fear of a nuclear retaliation didn't hold the United States or USSR back from mobilizing enough warheads to destory the Earth trice over. None of the two 'great nations' cared shit for the rest of the world, only for their own pride, so don't you lecture anyone on being 'responsible' with nuclear weapons. Your nation has demonstrated a tendency to act rashly and without thought for others a thousand times over.

For your information; there is no 'restraining' in the event of Nuclear war. Even defensive warheads made to destroy other warheads in the air result in massive damage to the environment and the planet itself. Mutually Assured Destruction isn't a concept you play around with, it's a simple fact. If your governmentdoes something 'wrong', you'll be solely responsible for the death of an entire planet, or several billion people if we're lucky.

That your government has peace in mind is a laugable notion coming from a nation that has hardly experienced thirty years of peace in its entire existence. Your government is composed of a self-proclaimed aristocracy that lords over the middle-class with more money than they can ever spend. Your average citizen is uninformed, unimaginative and 'patriotic'. You believe in the greatness of your country and freedom extraordinary, yet you monitor your people and let them fumble around in the dark.

Your nation might be the 'daddy' in terms of military capabilities, but your economy lies in ruins and your people are like rabid dogs. You're an abusive uncle at best, not a father.

 

[North Kai]

Dude, what?
The Empire of Japan was collapsing when the United States threw the bombs, not mobilizing. To justify the deaths of a hundred thousand civilians because the Japanese 'might' have troops in reserve is nothing short of disgusting. Especially considering how the U.S.A handled the Second Golf War. Need I remind you that it was the huge flaws in the U.S intelligence that lead to that war?
Thirty million people... The Japanese didn't have a 'last solution' to arm their civilians like Hitler did. You're shooting blanks here.

And don't you even dare mention the so-called war on 'Communism'. Millions upon millions died because the United States saw the potential danger of an ideology and decided to exterminate it. What the 'Land of Freedom' did to Vietnam and Korea was terrible and they have yet to send proper support to the crippled nations, just as they have Iraq.

Your bolded part makes me gag. That you consider the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocents a simple demonstration makes me wonder how you can ever justify your belief that capital punishment is morally wrong.

The fear of a nuclear retaliation didn't hold the United States or USSR back from mobilizing enough warheads to destory the Earth trice over. None of the two 'great nations' cared shit for the rest of the world, only for their own pride, so don't you lecture anyone on being 'responsible' with nuclear weapons. Your nation has demonstrated a tendency to act rashly and without thought for others a thousand times over.

For your information; there is no 'restraining' in the event of Nuclear war. Even defensive warheads made to destroy other warheads in the air result in massive damage to the environment and the planet itself. Mutually Assured Destruction isn't a concept you play around with, it's a simple fact. If your governmentdoes something 'wrong', you'll be solely responsible for the death of an entire planet, or several billion people if we're lucky.

That your government has peace in mind is a laugable notion coming from a nation that has hardly experienced thirty years of peace in its entire existence. Your government is composed of a self-proclaimed aristocracy that lords over the middle-class with more money than they can ever spend. Your average citizen is uninformed, unimaginative and 'patriotic'. You believe in the greatness of your country and freedom extraordinary, yet you monitor your people and let them fumble around in the dark.

Your nation might be the 'daddy' in terms of military capabilities, but your economy lies in ruins and your people are like rabid dogs. You're an abusive uncle at best, not a father.

ok first of all I am from Germany, we DONT have nukes. you know the Berlin wall? Do you know what communism did to our east?

I didnt want to justify the use of the nukes, I am firmly against nuclear arms (but nuclear disarmnment isnt all that easy, its extremely difficult if not down-right impossible) and their usage and I dont think that the usage can be justified in any case, but they did decide to use them, Truman had to make an impossible decision it is always easy to debate afterwards, but Japanese soldiers even after they knew they were defeated they made sure they killed as many allied soldiers as possible, after 6 years of the worst time in human history the mindset of the world was a little different than ours today where we casually debate wheather the usage can be justified, bare that in mind

I like the west, its where I grew up, its my culture and if someone wants to kill us because we are immoral than I am gonna have an opinion about it

it has become too common to demonize the american way but you know what I as someone from Munich am grateful that they held communism at bay so that my grandparents could move back after nazism was finally driven out of Germany, but I doubt that they would have done that if communism were to spread further west

as for Korea and Vietnam
tell me which country has a better standard of living: the communist north or the democratic south?

 

[Kagutsuchi]

im not justifying the use of the bomb I told you under what circumstances they used it and perhaps you shouldnt be so quick to judge without knowing whats at stake

I know noone gave the us the right to be daddy, but would you rather it was Iran or Islamic fundamentalists? they wont be afraid to blow up half of Europe and the US if they can

anyone who thinks Iran should have nuclear weapons imo doesnt understand the possible aftermath of that

where are you from?

PS: and you not having a bette argument against my last post is pathetic

That's what you think that Iran would do that.. Iran isn't America .. How many Wars have Iran started ? and How many Wars have America started .. where they saw Oil .. they would go their to spread Democracy .. >.>

America cares for Itself and only itself .. UN should be renamed USA-Dog .. They don't care about anything .. America is doing Drone attacks in Pakistan for last 8 years .. What has UN done to stop it ?

Iran goes against America because America .. being the spoiled Brat .. put many sanctions on Iran ... WTF ! ..

How much do you know about Islamic Fundamentalists ? If your knowledge is based on Media and Specially US Media then LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. You're Ignorant. You're Media is biased and portrays US as the HERO. That's not the case. You need to research Islamic Fundamentalists and Know what is really wrong and WHO is really wrong.

Plus, what's wrong in Iran having Nuclear Program ? It can be used for Energy resource and If you keep annoying someone that Stop Nuclear Program you'll make Bombs then They Might Do that Just to Piss you off. If America had the decency to Mind it's own business this world would be a better place and Closer to "world peace". America IS the root of problems in the world.

You might have noticed that capitalism is going down as well So don't just blame communism .. Not that I support Communism ;D

 

[ZK]

ok first of all I am from Germany, we DONT have nukes. you know the Berlin wall? Do you know what communism did to our east?

I didnt want to justify the use of the nukes, I am firmly against nuclear arms (but nuclear disarmnment isnt all that easy, its extremely difficult if not down-right impossible) and their usage and I dont think that the usage can be justified in any case, but they did decide to use them, Truman had to make an impossible decision it is always easy to debate afterwards, but Japanese soldiers even after they knew they were defeated they made sure they killed as many allied soldiers as possible, after 6 years of the worst time in human history the mindset of the world was a little different than ours today where we casually debate wheather the usage can be justified, bare that in mind

I like the west, its where I grew up, its my culture and if someone wants to kill us because we are immoral than I am gonna have an opinion about it

it has become too common to demonize the american way but you know what I as someone from Munich am grateful that they held communism at bay so that my grandparents could move back after nazism was finally driven out of Germany, but I doubt that they would have done that if communism were to spread further west

as for Korea and Vietnam
tell me which country has a better standard of living: the communist north or the democratic south?

You've never experienced Communism; you've experienced Stalinism, which is a completely different thing. And do I know? I know that even with a mad dictator, a wobbling economy and extreme foreign pressure from all sides the USSR spread the resources equally. Some government officials became corrupt during the weak hours of the USSR, but how does that say anything about Communism, when they were subjects of Stalinism in the first place?
Even Stalin, sick **** as he was, did a whole lot of good for a country that came bleeding and blind out of a dynasty of opression under ruthless nobles and Tsars. Funny how those nobles are so similar to the American 1% percent.

Truman had an easy decision to make, he merely chose to save AMERICAN lives and to sacrifice thousands of Japanese civilians because he wanted to demonstrate the might of the U.S.A.
And Japanese soldiers did indeed fight till the end, just as the Americans prides themselves on doing. We're talking about a nation whose country was about to be invaded and destroyed by a foreign nation; I'd fight to the death, that's for sure.
The Americans weren't exactly lenient, so I'd call the Japanese suspicions rational.

Ah, so you agree that America would've screwed you over if they sensed the 'stench' of Communism on you? yet you defend their just and righteous deeds? How droll.

And I'm pretty sure they're about the same, if you view the population as a whole. Furthermore; a dictatorship is not Communism, you dimwit.

 

[North Kai]

That's what you think that Iran would do that.. Iran isn't America .. How many Wars have Iran started ? and How many Wars have America started .. where they saw Oil .. they would go their to spread Democracy .. >.>

America cares for Itself and only itself .. UN should be renamed USA-Dog .. They don't care about anything .. America is doing Drone attacks in Pakistan for last 8 years .. What has UN done to stop it ?

Iran goes against America because America .. being the spoiled Brat .. put many sanctions on Iran ... WTF ! ..

How much do you know about Islamic Fundamentalists ? If your knowledge is based on Media and Specially US Media then LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. You're Ignorant. You're Media is biased and portrays US as the HERO. That's not the case. You need to research Islamic Fundamentalists and Know what is really wrong and WHO is really wrong.

Plus, what's wrong in Iran having Nuclear Program ? It can be used for Energy resource and If you keep annoying someone that Stop Nuclear Program you'll make Bombs then They Might Do that Just to Piss you off. If America had the decency to Mind it's own business this world would be a better place and Closer to "world peace". America IS the root of problems in the world.

You might have noticed that capitalism is going down as well So don't just blame communism .. Not that I support Communism ;D

First of all Persia started more wars than the US. And yes I think many people trust a nuke more to the US democracy regardless of what your opinion is of it, than to Iran, a dictatorship in what is one of the most unstable regions in the world and has been so for decades. Also as I said Iran cant guarantee not to sell to the highest bidder at least we know that about the current nuclear powers.

Yes America places its interests before the interests of other countries, which country doesnt?!

Yes they put sanctions on Iran because they wouldnt negotiate about the nuclear programme. I watch many news (CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, local, ...) how many do you watch? and it seems to me they all pretty much agree on the Iran nuclear threat. Islamic fundamentalism in itself began in the 19th century so dont tell me its the US fault that some groups went radical.

Used for energy? yes it can, but why have such a large scale nuclear programe then? there is a small country south of our southern neigbours called slovenia, they have a nuclear power plant, do you think their 60B/y economy had a large nuclear programme to build it?

Well if they build it to piss the US off than the situation could be even worse and perhaps their plans are even more unstable if thats the case.

If america had the decency to mind their business than the Soviets would own Europe, Europe would never recover from the 2 ww, the world economy would be in the toilet and if youre not from north america there is a pretty good chance you wouldnt have the right to vote. Many ppl dont like america interfering, neither do I but if its neccessary for me to live as I do ill accept it

I never blindly supported capitalism go check some of my old threads and I dont just blame communism, communism could be adjusted and could compromise with other systems so it might work but somehow ppl are too stupid to make it work and it always ends with a dictatorship

You've never experienced Communism; you've experienced Stalinism, which is a completely different thing. And do I know? I know that even with a mad dictator, a wobbling economy and extreme foreign pressure from all sides the USSR spread the resources equally. Some government officials became corrupt during the weak hours of the USSR, but how does that say anything about Communism, when they were subjects of Stalinism in the first place?
Even Stalin, sick **** as he was, did a whole lot of good for a country that came bleeding and blind out of a dynasty of opression under ruthless nobles and Tsars. Funny how those nobles are so similar to the American 1% percent.

Truman had an easy decision to make, he merely chose to save AMERICAN lives and to sacrifice thousands of Japanese civilians because he wanted to demonstrate the might of the U.S.A.
And Japanese soldiers did indeed fight till the end, just as the Americans prides themselves on doing. We're talking about a nation whose country was about to be invaded and destroyed by a foreign nation; I'd fight to the death, that's for sure.
The Americans weren't exactly lenient, so I'd call the Japanese suspicions rational.

Ah, so you agree that America would've screwed you over if they sensed the 'stench' of Communism on you? yet you defend their just and righteous deeds? How droll.

And I'm pretty sure they're about the same, if you view the population as a whole. Furthermore; a dictatorship is not Communism, you dimwit.

yes east germany experienced stalinism you are right but all I have to do is replace communism in my previous posts with stalinism and we get the argument that America shielded western Europe from stalinism ... works for me, so the argument still works

USSR spread the resources equaly? ever taken a history class? they had a military that could blow up the planet yet meanwhile ppl were starving, if you dont believe me look it up, Stalins economic plans were utter failure. Some government officials? ... Stalin, KGB, the army, ... they jailed and executed not only foreigners but their own opposition, ppl who did nothing wrong but disagree with the regime

yes the russian royals were jackasses but Stalin wasnt really better. There is a big difference between the nobles and the 1% ... the nobles wielded all 3 branches of the government

if americans know they have lost they dont crash their planes into the opponent they retreat. and americans won the war and didnt exactly invade and destroy japan they brought democracy and brought down the emperor, ever heard of the unit 731 (or something like that)?

I know what communism is you dimwit. I know who Marx is I read the Communism Manifesto. I like marx and I support the conflict theories which are based on Marx. Do you know what conflict theories are?

And before anyone labels me a mindless capitalist again I suggest you read my previous threads and posts baout the 1% before opening your mouths and spewing assumptions

 

[Kagutsuchi]

Seems like you are Blindly Biased about USA being right, You like to be their Dog You Should Enjoy that.
I don't have the time, nor patience to entertain you.

 

[North Kai]

Seems like you are Blindly Biased about USA being right, You like to be their Dog You Should Enjoy that.
I don't have the time, nor patience to entertain you.

Maybe not the nicest but certainly the most simple Post you could write

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

If Iran shouldn't be allowed Nuclear power, than all Current Nuclear Power Holders should be stripped as well. America was the First to Use Actual Nuclear weapons on People .. not once but twice .. So they don't have the right to stop others from acquiring Nuclear power. Since not all people use it for destruction. It can be used as alternate energy source as well.

Nuclear weapons aren't tested on countries .. it can be done in Mountain ranges as Pakistan did.

If someone in the world decided to Play "Daddy" ... well I can tell them to "Shut the Fuck up " and Mind their Own business.

Until Iran gives America the threat of using Nuclear Bombs for Evil, I don't think America has the right to stop them. Since America is one of Nuclear powers too. That would mean America wants all the power of itself >.> ( Monopoly ) .

Word, "sense" in it's essense is shown in your post. Atleast somebody like you knows what's really going on.

Iran hasn't made nukes guys, the media is hyping it up so they can go to another war.

Don't forget Iraq guys, they said they have WMD's & found nothing. Same thing here.

Iran's nuke are not powerful at all. Don't fall for another excuse for war.

I agree with you even though I'm not exactly a politician

Its not just the west causing this shit. Islamic fundamentalists are an enormous problem

Perhaps maybe founding out why they're causing a huge problem for the world would help clear your state of confusion.

we are all sick and tired of it but it cant be helped, if we want to live how we do atm this is how it has to be. yes ofc you want world peace. do you think we dont?! you think its that easy?

This is not how it has to be, we can all work together and solve this problem even though there is alot of disorganization. We shouldn't be always left in despair. Why not begin with a sign of generosity and speak a few noble words? I never said it would be easy but there is always a chance. You don't watch naruto very carefully. Don't you think it's also difficult for him to achieve the things that he eventually achieves. It's determination nd committment. Realistically, we can all do this if we try. We are all given that ability. If we stay idol and adopt a defeatist attitude, nothing will be achieved nd we will suffer one way or another. Because everything that goes on in the world will affect us whether directly or indirectly. We have to have that courage and resolutness to step up to the battlefield. You wouldn't expect everything to be a walk in the park. Great effort = Great result[/QUOTE]

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Seems like you are Blindly Biased about USA being right, You like to be their Dog You Should Enjoy that.
I don't have the time, nor patience to entertain you.

LMAO, you couldn't get anymore blunt than this. You should be careful though bro. You could get flamed like **** just for saying this. xd

 

[-Ibrahim-]

North Kai you do know that the U.S. is the most corrupt country in the world? You may think you know alot just remember how much evil shit there keeping from you behind closed doors. Don't be so proud of a country like that. They do the most evil shit but no one ever finds out.

 

[North Kai]

North Kai you do know that the U.S. is the most corrupt country in the world? You may think you know alot just remember how much evil shit there keeping from you behind closed doors. Don't be so proud of a country like that. They do the most evil shit but no one ever finds out.

ok please do explain the shit that is the most evil. your views are very common today but most of them are wrong, most ppl outside NA dont like the US and believe america is the worst country in the world

the us isnt my favourite country, its too conservative for my taste, there are many countries I favour over it, like the Netherlnads, Scandinavian countries, ...

but I do realize that if the US wouldnt have been the dominant force in the world than it would have been the USSR and now China

do you want them butting in rather than a US democracy?

also there are many, many countries that are far more corrupt than the US

This is not how it has to be, we can all work together and solve this problem even though there is alot of disorganization. We shouldn't be always left in despair. Why not begin with a sign of generosity and speak a few noble words? I never said it would be easy but there is always a chance. You don't watch naruto very carefully. Don't you think it's also difficult for him to achieve the things that he eventually achieves. It's determination nd committment. Realistically, we can all do this if we try. We are all given that ability. If we stay idol and adopt a defeatist attitude, nothing will be achieved nd we will suffer one way or another. Because everything that goes on in the world will affect us whether directly or indirectly. We have to have that courage and resolutness to step up to the battlefield. You wouldn't expect everything to be a walk in the park. Great effort = Great result

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we can all work together? you think that is possible, there are still too many cultural and religious difficulties for the world to work completely together, I agree its idiotic that we let things divide us but thats how it is.

you never said it was easy no. but you do make it sound easy, do you think noone ever tried world harmony before? ppl far more powerful than you (I assume) tried and failed.

are you really comparing Naruto with the real world? realistically we can all do the things we try?! determination and commitment? I guarantee you with 99.9% certainty that the son of a US president will have better chances in life than most of us, that a sub saharan will be less likely to have a strong voice than a son of a manhattan, london or hong kong billionaire, there are such huge differences in the world that what you say isnt possible. if my country wants something within its power done I can gurantee you that you can have all the determination you possibly can and stand on your head but you still wont change anything. its not how it should be but realistically thats how it is.

great effort can result in great results for the person but there are very few that can (even with great effort) truly affect the whole world

 

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[North Kai]

stupid image ...

why would someone post this rubbish anywhere?

 

[shadowanitez]

Don't hate, hate is baggage.
And lossin up and have a sense of humor =/