Introduction of Completely new characters by Kishi?

[s0ulja]

Who knows That will make Tobi a completely new character perhaps which will be a complete shocker.

actuali i'm looking fwd to tobi not being madara...madara might have been labeled 'evil' but it seemed like he was a shinobi of principal, tobi dusn

 

[Escorpiius]

I'm actually tired of thinking who's Tobi. Whether it's Madara or someone completely else (as long as it's not Obito), it won't really disappoint me.

 

[s0ulja]

I'm actually tired of thinking who's Tobi. Whether it's Madara or someone completely else (as long as it's not Obito), it won't really disappoint me.

yea i dont think it wil b obito, he didn seem to have enough of a motive

 

[Reshiram]

I agree that the 6th coffin won't really contain any new character and it's someone that we know atleast a minimum.

You're so wrong. Since when do we know about Madara's Mother? Of course she is in the 6th coffin. She's mad at Madara for not feeding the cat

 

[s0ulja]

You're so wrong. Since when do we know about Madara's Mother? Of course she is in the 6th coffin. She's mad at Madara for not feeding the cat

he has a reason for not feeding the cat, it scratched his face n now he has to walk around wit a mask!

welcome to nb

 

[Stein]

You're so wrong. Since when do we know about Madara's Mother? Of course she is in the 6th coffin. She's mad at Madara for not feeding the cat

That's highly possible... I mean... think about it! Madara is nothing but a complete disappointment for his mum. He never writes a letter, is always doing bullshit, greatest villain in the history and hasn't even graduated from the academy! He's a complete loser.

 

[David1996]

New Character in the 6th Coffin I believe

 

[Escorpiius]

You're so wrong. Since when do we know about Madara's Mother? Of course she is in the 6th coffin. She's mad at Madara for not feeding the cat

:rofl: But Tobi is a good boy.

he has a reason for not feeding the cat, it scratched his face n now he has to walk around wit a mask!

welcome to nb

Who knows

That's highly possible... I mean... think about it! Madara is nothing but a complete disappointment for his mum. He never writes a letter, is always doing bullshit, greatest villain in the history and hasn't even graduated from the academy! He's a complete loser.

Euh, I don't think there was an academy at that time.
So you write letters to your mom

New Character in the 6th Coffin I believe

Hehehe....

 

[Michael92]

If any, I bet there would be a/some Uzumaki Character(s) that would be introduced or something. Someone Naruto could learn to master seals from That just gave me an idea, Lolxd

Oh, and maybe Nagato will reveal that he's an Uzumaki in the upcoming chapter and also reveal that there are other Uzumakis alivexd

 

[Kurisutina]

Tobirama doesn't have a mysterious death... He fought the Kinkaku force and died as a decoy during the 2nd SWW.

 

[Escorpiius]

If any, I bet there would be a/some Uzumaki Character(s) that would be introduced or something. Someone Naruto could learn to master seals from That just gave me an idea, Lolxd

Oh, and maybe Nagato will reveal that he's an Uzumaki in the upcoming chapter and also reveal that there are other Uzumakis alivexd

Another idea...*thinking I'm so great now his FF will be more awesome thanks to me*

Seriously, that's a nice idea. I don't know if Nagato will say something that random but who knows. xD

 

[Escorpiius]

Tobirama doesn't have a mysterious death... He fought the Kinkaku force and died as a decoy during the 2nd SWW.

I've explained why I've added this part in the post on one of my previous post. Free to you on whether or not to believe me.

 

[Michael92]

Another idea...*thinking I'm so great now his FF will be more awesome thanks to me*

Seriously, that's a nice idea. I don't know if Nagato will say something that random but who knows. xD

Lol, depends on how it will turn outxd

Well why would Madara/Tobi ever mention something random like that in the first place? I have a feeling that it will be elaborated on sooner or later and what better time than now?

 

[s0ulja]

Lol, depends on how it will turn outxd

Well why would Madara/Tobi ever mention something random like that in the first place? I have a feeling that it will be elaborated on sooner or later and what better time than now?

i orginali tought they would introduce a uzumaki to teach the seals as well..but than som1 like that would have to be jiraiyas age or older..the onli alternative to naruto learning uzumaki seals is the forbidden jutsu scroll he stole from the 3rd right at the beginning of the series, with his influence with tsunade he cud get hold of it quite easily if he wanted to...the onli reason i don see a uzumaki making an appearance is cuz naruto dusn seem to be hung-up bt his clan..n i dont evn noe if nagato knows if his a uzumaki

 

[Escorpiius]

Lol, depends on how it will turn outxd

Well why would Madara/Tobi ever mention something random like that in the first place? I have a feeling that it will be elaborated on sooner or later and what better time than now?

Well, like I said, Madara knows or pretends knowing so many things that he defies all logic. Kishi only knows when he lies and when not.

i orginali tought they would introduce a uzumaki to teach the seals as well..but than som1 like that would have to be jiraiyas age or older..the onli alternative to naruto learning uzumaki seals is the forbidden jutsu scroll he stole from the 3rd right at the beginning of the series, with his influence with tsunade he cud get hold of it quite easily if he wanted to...the onli reason i don see a uzumaki making an appearance is cuz naruto dusn seem to be hung-up bt his clan..n i dont evn noe if nagato knows if his a uzumaki

I think Kishi forgot about that scroll. Wonder also if Nagato knows he's an Uzumaki....

 

[Floydical]

I agree that the 6th coffin won't really contain any new character and it's someone that we know atleast a minimum.
About Tobirama, well, I know the anime statement but I have my doubts on his death still. First of all, the Kin-Gin bros main weapons were those 5 sealing artifacts of SO6P. Had Tobirama been killed by a sealing method, then Orochimaru will not have been able to summon him.
Being killed by other means than those weapons by the Kin-Gin bros, seems a bit hard to believe for me as 2nd Hokage mastered Suiton to another level, knew great Teleportation techs, crated Edo Tensei ect...So I still think, there might be someone else also involved. now, it could be someone new or someone less known.
About the Uchiha massacre, though I agree it has been well-detailed, Kishi bring up this topic so often that there are always chances that some new elements sprung up in this affair, so there is a probability though I'll agree it's minim.

Thats a good analysis. I guess the anime did not consider the fact that if the Kin/Gin squad killed Tobirama, that he would likely have been killed with a sealing artifact. Maybe Kishi doesn't intend for that to be the case, but I still think the theory holds water. I mean other than Kin/Gin, the squad that attacked them had 18 other ninja present, all considered Jonin or higher right? It is possible that the final blow was done by someone other than Kin/Gin.

 

[Escorpiius]

Thats a good analysis. I guess the anime did not consider the fact that if the Kin/Gin squad killed Tobirama, that he would likely have been killed with a sealing artifact. Maybe Kishi doesn't intend for that to be the case, but I still think the theory holds water. I mean other than Kin/Gin, the squad that attacked them had 18 other ninja present, all considered Jonin or higher right? It is possible that the final blow was done by someone other than Kin/Gin.

Well, it's still 18 jonin ninja against some Edos and a Kage-level man. I don't know how it played out but I still have my doubts on whether he really died. In fact, his "death" plays really well with all the Tobi's identities theories.
Perhaps, he could be Tobi himself (proof are his name and his Teleportation techs for e.g.)
Perhaps, that Uchiha Kagami betrayed Tobirama and caused his death due to the oppression of Uchiha at that time. Perhaps, Madara allied himself with Kagami and some Kumo nins.
Well, all kinds of suppositions but whatsoever, even if he was killed by Kin-Gin bros in someway, it is unquestionable that his death is still shrouded by mystery. Anime statement or not.
The only way, guys like Kin-Gin could have killed a Kage were with those artifacts and this is kinda overrules. Moreover, Kin-Gin bros are far from Kage level to me without those artifacts. That jonin nins could have been taken care of. For me, there must have been like much more nins (more than 100), some lesser/unknown character involvement or some kind of betrayal.

 

[Floydical]

Well, it's still 18 jonin ninja against some Edos and a Kage-level man. I don't know how it played out but I still have my doubts on whether he really died. In fact, his "death" plays really well with all the Tobi's identities theories.
Perhaps, he could be Tobi himself (proof are his name and his Teleportation techs for e.g.)
Perhaps, that Uchiha Kagami betrayed Tobirama and caused his death due to the oppression of Uchiha at that time. Perhaps, Madara allied himself with Kagami and some Kumo nins.
Well, all kinds of suppositions but whatsoever, even if he was killed by Kin-Gin bros in someway, it is unquestionable that his death is still shrouded by mystery. Anime statement or not.
The only way, guys like Kin-Gin could have killed a Kage were with those artifacts and this is kinda overrules. Moreover, Kin-Gin bros are far from Kage level to me without those artifacts. That jonin nins could have been taken care of. For me, there must have been like much more nins (more than 100), some lesser/unknown character involvement or some kind of betrayal.

Ya the Tobirama = Tobi theory is an old one and I don't think it holds much merit. In regard to your statements about Tobirama's strengths, I think you are underestimating Jounin. I mean ya Tobirama had edo Tensei, but it was very underdeveloped at the time and not to mention, I doubt he had a multitude of ninja prepared at that time for sacrifice. He did not use it like Kabuto is, seems to me it was used by him to speak with the deceased. Maybe he even managed to avoid a sacrifice at the time.

In regard to the Jounin, I really disagree about there needing to be 100+ to defeat a Kage. Think about it, Kakashi's frontline status as a ninja is Jounin. Despite that, he was nearly made a kage himself. Basically, a Jounin may be as strong as a kage. Jounin is simply the highest ranking outside of Anbu and a person isn't an Anbu 24/7. At the very least, a single Jounin has the capability to kill a kage in a perfect scenario so if its 20 on one, those powerful Jounin have at least 20x the probability to gain that essential moment to deal a devastating blow. Basically, I think that they could have killed Tobirama even without the use of the sealing artifacts. Don't forget that all members of Tobirama's group knew it was certain death, meaning 20 jounin v. anyone would mean certain death.

As for Kagami, I doubt he would have willingly betrayed Tobirama. There is no indication he was plotting anything or held any grudge. I think if Kagami is involved, it was done in a second hand manner, like Madara using his body.

 

[Escorpiius]

Ya the Tobirama = Tobi theory is an old one and I don't think it holds much merit. In regard to your statements about Tobirama's strengths, I think you are underestimating Jounin. I mean ya Tobirama had edo Tensei, but it was very underdeveloped at the time and not to mention, I doubt he had a multitude of ninja prepared at that time for sacrifice. He did not use it like Kabuto is, seems to me it was used by him to speak with the deceased. Maybe he even managed to avoid a sacrifice at the time.

In regard to the Jounin, I really disagree about there needing to be 100+ to defeat a Kage. Think about it, Kakashi's frontline status as a ninja is Jounin. Despite that, he was nearly made a kage himself. Basically, a Jounin may be as strong as a kage. Jounin is simply the highest ranking outside of Anbu and a person isn't an Anbu 24/7. At the very least, a single Jounin has the capability to kill a kage in a perfect scenario so if its 20 on one, those powerful Jounin have at least 20x the probability to gain that essential moment to deal a devastating blow. Basically, I think that they could have killed Tobirama even without the use of the sealing artifacts. Don't forget that all members of Tobirama's group knew it was certain death, meaning 20 jounin v. anyone would mean certain death.

As for Kagami, I doubt he would have willingly betrayed Tobirama. There is no indication he was plotting anything or held any grudge. I think if Kagami is involved, it was done in a second hand manner, like Madara using his body.

I know that the theory is old and many things that he didn't use Edo tensei like Kabuto is actually but still, it isn't as if he couldn't beat those guys. Without underestimating jonins, still, Kakashi is Kage level as much as genin naruto is but the fact is that the 50000+ dead in Joint Shinobi Army are mostly consisted of jonins. They aren't like that powerful. They just need to pass one more test. Some are powerful and some are not that much according to me.
Still, even if I'm not excluding the fact that his death might indeed be like the indicated scenario, I never believed in it completely.

The Kagami guy do look weird to me.
Other reasons why I don't believe in the "2nd Hokage death scenario"
- Well, Tobirama seemed too sure of dying as if he was hiding something. He was like accepting his death while being a Kage, he should know that he might also win. I may be over-estimating Tobirama or his powers, but I think you know why I've put him now in the poll.
I have my opinions on this topic. If you agree to it, it's your choice and the same if you don't. But I don't find the poll baseless with this plausibility.

 

[s0ulja]

Well, like I said, Madara knows or pretends knowing so many things that he defies all logic. Kishi only knows when he lies and when not.



I think Kishi forgot about that scroll. Wonder also if Nagato knows he's an Uzumaki....

..unles he found out after jiraiyas training i highli doubt it..one possibility is that his parents removed the uzumaki from their name to hide their identity