Instances were plot has solo'd logic in Naruto?

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1.Making a mass-murdering psychopath into a "political" village leader (aka Kazekage) just because he changed.... with that power Sasuke is the perfect Hokage canditate.

Sasuke did put a claim, didn't he? And Gara's village came for him since he proved himself when Deidara atacked him. He didn't try his strongest attacks because it would have destroyed the village too. Initially they had let him be the kage because he was strongest there and none dared to oppose him. If you remember Gara was slightly surprised that they had come to get him back in the end.

So, just because he has been redeemed he can sit on the most important political chair with a bloody, dirty past? Sorry, redemption or not, if someone did horrible things in the past he/she can't become a political leader! Also, in Kumogakure, Killer Bee was the strongest and he proved himself too, yet he only became the Guardian Of Kumogakure, which would be perfectly fit to Gaara as to him even a title like this would make more sense then making an ex-psycho to a leader unless dictatorship because anybody can become dictator no conditions needed! Temari, Baki even Kankuro could become Kazekages too, their past were even more pure as they only killed enemies unlike Gaara who could innocent civils in his own village too.

2.Instead of using disguses ALL Akatsuki members wears flashy coats that even the most dumbest civil know already that it is the uniform of criminals.... wondering if they are easily detected?

lol True. Though Itachi wanted to be noticed. He was there to make his presence known and felt to warn Danzou after Hiruzen died.

3.Instead summoning some edo tensei zombies to protect himself or aid in his battle Kabuto starts a fight alone against the uchiha brothers.

Probably because he was confident. Besides he hadn't left edos left which could help him against Itachi. This is the plot after all. If things didn't go right for the hero manga would be called Kabuto not Naruto.

Nope, he had tons of edo tensei ninjas like Torune - fillers don't count so he still had him - and other edo zombies that he could summon from one place to another place.

Do you know where you need "confidence"? At your paper exams! In battles you need brain! Yeah, probably Itachi and Sasuke could lose again Kabuto if he summoned edo tensei zombies but it could make the manga more interesting - specialy that nobody died from the good's side except Neji.


4.Instead of summoning the Juubi at the first night already and finish everything quickyl Obito wastes another day and night technicaly for the nothing.

He was hoping to capture whole of 8 and 9 tails first. He was forced to initiate without them because the war wasn't going his way.

But he also said that he doesn't need the "full" Juubi for his plan, so the "perfectionism" is not acceptable! If it would be like the Dragon Balls that you can't summon Shenlong without all of them then okay, but since Obito could do that without all the Tailed Beasts he just made himself more stupider, because if he do that than he could even win!

5.The creater of Edo Tensei don't know how to escape from his own technique that he developed.

Manga says he did:



It even explained why he didn't.


No, I was talking about the ASSPULL THAT MADARA DID IN chapter 591-592, where he just spammed the same seals as edo tensei and he got free! Why Tobirama didn't knew about it and used it while Orochimaru and the others weren't listening to him but Hashirama. Orochimaru shitted himself first when Tobirama tried to kill Sasuke.

6.Tobirama created Kage Bunshin and Hiraishin.... so good that the jutsus were stated as Hashirama's and Minato's creations in the early manga stages.

Minato still used his own variation of it. It's slightly different and unlike Tobirama it was his signature technique. And I forget where did it say kage bunshin was created by Hashi. Link please?

Rin said that Hiraishin was Minato's jutsu while Kage Bunshin was sealed into the Scroll with Taju Kage Bunshin too, suggesting that since the First created the scroll it had to be his.

7.Kushina wanted to reseal Kurama back to her and stated she will die from the extraction... later, Naruto's life will be saved by resealing Kurama back to her and unlike Naruto who instantly fainted into coma Kushina still had enough power to move and using jutsus... so if Minato would either allowing to Kushina to reseal Kurama back to her OR Minato sealed Kurama back to his wife himself Kushina's life could be saved and Naruto could have at least 1 if not both of his parents.

This one is a valid point but not one that cannot be explained. Kushina was already tired from delivering a baby( that costs body a toll you know- one is really not allowed any strain for a minimum of 6 weeks after ) and almost out of chakra+ Kyuubi was not friendly to her but trying to kill her. A jinchiruki has to have enough chakra to control the bijju who constantly takes chakra from the user too. Remember? Naruto's situation was different because Kybbui doesn't take chakra an longer from Naruto and wanted to save him thus cooperates and heals him.

So, a strong woman who not only easily gave birth and could use jutsus and other stuff after the extraction couldn't handle the demon fox, but a newborn weak baby can? Not mentioning that Minato could seal the other half into himself and the other half back to Kushina. Problem solved again!

8.Since Naruto was outcasted since he was a little child, Obito could easily befriend with him and taking him away from the village OR doing it already after the deaths of Naruto's parents as he unlike Hiruzen and the others could easily slip over Kushina's barrier.

And do what? Adopt him? He went to take him when he was ready to seal the 9 tails.

No, sealing the fox from him like he did as it was later revealed not even the ranking is important - Madara wanted to seal Kurama first and only changed his mind because of Zetsu.

9.Pain mentioned that one of their goal is a mercenary army and they collected tons of many for it.... only to be forgotten.

And what of it? He died. Tobi had his own Zetsu army and doesn't seem to be in want of money. We don't know what else he would have done but Kabtuo joined him- almost forced him.

Yes, and we all know how such a great work the White Zetsu army did with the help of edo tensei zombies! Technicaly only Neji died from the important good guys and only no name random fodders! Are you saying that Obito shoudln't add the mercenary ninja army too to improve his army? Because if you have money and resources I woudln't waste any of it!

10.The Raikage instead of trying to capture Sasuke or any of his friends so he could interrogate them or using mind reading jutsus on them he instantly wants to kill him, destoying the last chances to save his brother and learning his whereabout (yes, the readers knew the truth, but the Raikage learned it only chapters later that Bee escaped).

You answered yourself- he learned he was alive only afterwards. So why would he must try to save someone whom he considered dead already? Besides it's established that he is hot headed and can be real impatient when it's something concerning his brother.

The Raikage sent tons of people to searching for Killer Bee, so he still believed that Killer Bee can be saved! And if you have a chance to learn your kidnapped little brother's whereabout form his kidnappers, wouldn't you try to force his kidnappers to speak and tell you? Being impatient is not acceptable, specialy not from a leader!

11.Madara instead of making sure that all the 5 kages are dead by slicing them to pieces he just left them behind thinking they won't survive.... forgeting he is a shonen manga.

Madara didn't care for them. It didn't even mater besides if they were not completely dead he could use their chakra to replenish the gedo mezo. I don't think Madara know what a shonen manga is.

Sure, and the only reason why he could force Obito to use Rinne Tensei on him because the good guys were stupid enough to not killing Obito!

12.Instead of going back to Konoha and asks more help to hunt down Itachi Sasuke uses 3 defect failures to find Itachi.

Konoha wouldn't send him after Itachi. They would tell him to sit down and forget him. They already told him to forget about revenge and if they had willingness and capability to track itachi they would have done that years ago. Besides he got a good team to track his brother.

Sure, because Itachi was not a member of Akatsuki gang which was supposed to be exterminated, right? And only the elders knew the truth, everyone else believed Itachi be an enemy to be killed. And no, it was not even Taka's effort to track Itachi down, but because Itachi searched Sasuke himself and invated him for the final battle.

13.Shimaru Danzo doesn't even try to lying to Sasuke! Further, instead of using Izanagi to escape back to Konoha, he starts a fight with a 50 years younger healthy man at age 79. Experience or not, there are conditions that should not be big.

Did you forget that he was aware of Tobi's presence and had some inkling of his powers? He probably knew him because of Uchiha massacre which he ordered and was completed by Tobi along with Itachi. He was constantly worried about Tobi more than Sasuke or he would have used Shisui's eye on Sasuke. I

14.Instead if sending Pain againts the Hachibi while sending Sasuke againts Naruto and Konoha with Taka already, he does the opposite, ignoring that to Sasuke Naruto is a "well known" opponents while Killer Bee is a totally new opponent to him, knowing nothing about him.

[COLOR="#008080] Naruto was also his friend and Sasuke was actually going back to Konoha. Tobi wanted Sasuke to be forced to switch the side for good and take Itachi's eye not to hand him over to Konoha. [/COLOR]

15.Despite saying that in the Itachi Hun arc that the entire tailed beasts need to be sealed in ranking or the statue collapses later they summon the Juubi without sealing Gyuki and Kurama.

[COLOR="#008080"] Tobi had portion of their chakra-. It lessened the effectiveness and he was forced to activate earlier because the war was not going his way. Did you even read the manga or copy asted this list from someplace without thinking?[/COLOR]

No, Kisame clearly said that they needed the full beasts themselves unless the statues collapses. The crap about "just a little piece of them is enough" only "revealed" later because Kishimoto wanted to show the Juubi so much!

16.Kakashi using Perfect Susanoo without sharingan eyes despite Obito never showned any sign or hint that he has Perfect Susanoo too + as Madara said if somebody doesn't have both sharingan eyeballs then you sucked.

Obito never had both sharigan eyes till BZ finally took him over, you know. The ability to activate Susano seems to come only if they get a handle on two MS first.

Yes, Madara spammed Susanoo without even eyes which is also stupid.

17.Kakashi never became blind for using Mangekyo.

He lost it before he could go blind. He didn't even know about it till Itachi used it on him and learned it only around Gara rescue arc. His expertise with it increased in steps but he kind of lost it within 3 years of learning it.

18.Power ups from nowhere (literraly) and the legendary, mostly character exclusive skills and abilities are given to every second fodders.74


Exactly who are these fodders you are talking about?
:heh:

Everyone who has the legendary Mokuton that only Hashirama could using, the omega rare sharingan and it's stupid levels ect.

19.Kakashi wants to talking Sasuke down from revenge in Part 1 telling him "revenge is bad, revenge is evil".... only to become hypocrite and agreeing with Shikamaru's plan of revenge, saying "yes, revenge is needed, revenge is sweet" instead of talking Shikamaru down from it.

Shikamru hadn't made it his only life goal. Akatsuki was after Naruto too and would have been back. They were given the task since they had motivation and the threat was still active and directed at the village. And they knew what Akatsuki was looking for.

So, Kisame and Itachi, who were still wanted to be killed criminaks weren't after Naruto, right? Remember: only the three elders knew the truth, not even Tsunade nor Kakashi knew anything about Itachi, so it was oblivious that Itachi needed to be killed too sooner or later. Again: before chapter 460 even Kakashi didn't knew that Itachi wasn't evil, Itachi was pointed to be killed by the village!

20.Despite Karin, being the first intelligent girl in the series, giving up on Sasuke and saying out loudly "I am done with you", 150 chapters later Kishimoto ruins her character just to add the SK shipping card back to the deck.

First intelligent girl? lol

You couldn't do it that well first time around to make others shut up so it's good you stopped making the list. You basically proved how petty most of the complaints are. I just find it funny that for a series and a writer you claimed to have always hated, you even bothered to make a list. Exactly what kind of person reads a 700 chapter long series just for hating?

Yep it's just an average shonnen. We already knew that.

No, I never "hated" it, I just didn't shut my eyes from the stupid mistakes that ceratin shippingers did till chapter 699 + 700! I never said that I hated it!
 

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- DMS Kakashi
- Obito being Tobi
- Obito becoming Jinchuuriki
- Obito not dying after his defeat
- Maddy getting Kakashis Sharingan
- Gai not dying by the 8 gates
- Mugen Tsukuyomi being a Zetsu breeding machine
- Black Zetsu being Kaguyas will
- EVERYTHING about the Ootsutsuki, especially Kaguya and Toneri

Madara shifting with Kamui as a Jin while Obito couldn't even though he has 20 more years of experience with it.
What? That's not a plothole.
Obito couldn't become intangible with Kamui, as well as Madara. When do people finally realize that Madara and Obito used different effects of Kamui when they were Jinchuuriki?
Teleporting =/= being intangible
If Obito had teleported himself instead of trying to let the Rasengan pass through him.. then it would have worked.
 
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No, I never "hated" it, I just didn't shut my eyes from the stupid mistakes that ceratin shippingers did till chapter 699 + 700! I never said that I hated it!

You made at least two long confession thread about how you always hated the manga and the writer... anyway.

I am not going to reply your comments in detail above-for the things you called a "stupid mistake", are just circular arguments on how this story should have gone. For example:

Whether Gara should have been allowed to become kage or not or whether Raikage is really suitable for leadership and what other options those villages had (which they may not have even) and didn't use, all this can be argued and debated. They are personal drawbacks of their character's personality or past. But it cannot be termed as an illogical plot hole as it works just fine within the story Kishimoto wanted to tell.

I personally loved the concept of Izanagi and Kabuto used powers of other shinobies like Tayuya etc. Many people like to see something different than same edo tensie summoning over and over. And you are forgetting to edo tensie someone again needs a living sacrifice. People are still angry that Neji died and you are complaining that only one of the 11 died... Naruto lost his arm, Kakashi his eye, and Gai his leg, Shikamaru and Ino lst their parents but of course this doesn't count... Well I guess Kishi still wanted to give it a happy ending so some people had to be alive to make it look happy...

And about Tobirama- that link clearly showed that Tobirama knew how to release Edo tensei but couldn't because Oro was using Hashi cells. If you are repeating this question then you clearly didn't even check the link or just dogmatically want to insist on it being a problem. Suit yourself but it doesn't change the fact that manga did address that particular issue and fixed it.

Madara used Susano without using sharigan even before- when he had rinne-chapter 560. Sasuke used it while having only one sharingan and one rinnegan later. It's just a relatively rare ability which needs having both eyes to gain the ability but once you gain it it stays. Not that I like this part but that's how it was explained seeing how characters were able to use it and what Sasuke told Raikage about it.

Madara shifting with Kamui as a Jin while Obito couldn't even though he has 20 more years of experience with it.

Now this is more valid problem than the ones above stated by you, Bankai11. In short- It was Madara. U_U :p He could use Susano blind, and fixed rinne in his eye faster than I can put my contact lens in it. Maybe he was able to open the portal to kamui dimension Kaguya and use Obito's sharingan eye for coordinates. >_>

Though one can say it was only the phasing part (Kamui's ability to let objects slip through him) that Obito couldn't use. Madara transported himself to Kamui's dimension. He didn't try to phase himelf in it. So it's not totally useless for Jubbi jin - just limited to suit the plot.
 
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Damn Ira. Chill. Your post was longer than my essay.
 

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Since when has logic been apart of manga/anime? The first time when logic broke was the very beginning where a demon fox destroyed a village. Explain that to me and then I'll get your point.
 
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Obito had the biggest plot shield the entire manga. Minato could have negged him as soon as he arrived to the battlefield since he was still marked.
Nope. Minato arrived while Obito was in kamuiville fighting Kakashi. And as soon as he saw Obito, he figured it all out in an instant and did exactly what you said. But ...too late.
 

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You made at least two long confession thread about how you always hated the manga and the writer... anyway.

I am not going to reply your comments in detail above-for the things you called a "stupid mistake", are just circular arguments on how this story should have gone. For example:

Whether Gara should have been allowed to become kage or not or whether Raikage is really suitable for leadership and what other options those villages had (which they may not have even) and didn't use, all this can be argued and debated. They are personal drawbacks of their character's personality or past. But it cannot be termed as an illogical plot hole as it works just fine within the story Kishimoto wanted to tell.

I personally loved the concept of Izanagi and Kabuto used powers of other shinobies like Tayuya etc. Many people like to see something different than same edo tensie summoning over and over. And you are forgetting to edo tensie someone again needs a living sacrifice. People are still angry that Neji died and you are complaining that only one of the 11 died... Naruto lost his arm, Kakashi his eye, and Gai his leg, Shikamaru and Ino lst their parents but of course this doesn't count... Well I guess Kishi still wanted to give it a happy ending so some people had to be alive to make it look happy...

And about Tobirama- that link clearly showed that Tobirama knew how to release Edo tensei but couldn't because Oro was using Hashi cells. If you are repeating this question then you clearly didn't even check the link or just dogmatically want to insist on it being a problem. Suit yourself but it doesn't change the fact that manga did address that particular issue and fixed it.

Madara used Susano without using sharigan even before- when he had rinne-chapter 560. Sasuke used it while having only one sharingan and one rinnegan later. It's just a relatively rare ability which needs having both eyes to gain the ability but once you gain it it stays. Not that I like this part but that's how it was explained seeing how characters were able to use it and what Sasuke told Raikage about it.



Now this is more valid problem than the ones above stated by you, Bankai11. In short- It was Madara. U_U :p He could use Susano blind, and fixed rinne in his eye faster than I can put my contact lens in it. Maybe he was able to open the portal to kamui dimension Kaguya and use Obito's sharingan eye for coordinates. >_>

Though one can say it was only the phasing part (Kamui's ability to let objects slip through him) that Obito couldn't use. Madara transported himself to Kamui's dimension. He didn't try to phase himelf in it. So it's not totally useless for Jubbi jin - just limited to suit the plot.

But the dimension shifting thing and the phasing are the same thing. The phasing is just shifting specific part(s) of the body. Therefore, Madara being so capable with Obito's eye was straight bs.
 

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But the dimension shifting thing and the phasing are the same thing. The phasing is just shifting specific part(s) of the body. Therefore, Madara being so capable with Obito's eye was straight bs.

I did say that yours was a more valid point than that other guy, didn't I? Anyway.

Phasing a part is still different than whole traveling in that dimention . It's pseudo science so Kishi get to make his rule rather than our. And what I posted was the conclusion at Naruto wiki not mine but I'm ok with it.

Alternatively you can go with learning curve arguments.

Obito may have tried to phase using Kamui as he had always done but Madara used it to find the dimension only and used Rinne to move to it like Kaguya was doing.

It was established that Madara could handle certain power ups better than others- he came on the filed and was already relishing his fruits of all his power up with EMS+rinnegan+ senju cells+ experience. . He had some glitches when he tried to become Juubi host.

Madara was using the rinne powers and Jubbi much more comfortably than Obito He clealy had much more experience with sharingan too- he did comment on Sasuke's sharigan pattern and all.

Madara didn't phase his body part but he used kamui to locate Obito's Kamui dimension and was able to travel to it. Later on, Obito did learn the trick and later used Kamui ability and did the same to Kaguya and later he used it to travel back to Kakakshi after death to lend him remaining chakra. Whether Madara could phase a single body part Obito style or not we would never know.

Anyway, that's how I understood it. If you want to go in to more hair splitting, be my guest. For most of the techs for the larger portion of the manga were too fleshed out. Partially that fact itself caused the problem for Kishi at this stage when he is reaching the end.

Some things are because plot demands it. Characters act in certain way and cannot think of doing thing in another. Sometimes you have to let go things to enjoy the story.
 
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Sakura allowed to have panel time.
You know it's true.
 

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Tobirama may not have wanted to come back to life fully, even though he would have more power.

He does have the will of fire after all...

He had an opportunity when Orochimaru was in IT, but decided not to take it.

Seems like an ethical character decision.
 

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Logic left the series the moment the war arc started.

In one war (one long fight) suddenly everyone is stronger, everyone gets a power up (more than one in some cases), powers that don't make any sense everywhere and a ton of explosions ................ it was a mess.
 

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Tobirama may not have wanted to come back to life fully, even though he would have more power.

He does have the will of fire after all...

He had an opportunity when Orochimaru was in IT, but decided not to take it.

Seems like an ethical character decision.

Madara used rinne to revive himself or rather BZ made obito use his set to revive madara. Tobirama cannot come back to life fully but would remain edo at best.
 

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Madara used rinne to revive himself or rather BZ made obito use his set to revive madara. Tobirama cannot come back to life fully but would remain edo at best.

Where was my head at?!?!

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